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Selling a mass card could get you...

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  • #32
    brummytom
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    Scien wrote: »
    As far as i'm aware RC Priests in Ireland don't get a Salary so they rely on contributions from Parishiners and their Congregation.
    Mass Cards is one of the ways they sustain themselves & their Church financially.

    It's a pity that todays generation are quick to frown upon RC Priests today.
    The vast majority of them are good people who've done a lot of good work within their Communities.


    As one of 'today's generation'; I most certainly don't have a problem with RC Priests - both of our Parish priests are excellent men, and have always been on hand to help. I truly respect them for devoting their lives to God.

    Whar I do have hesitations about, however, is the fact that, as Biggins said, people just buy the mass card for someone - do they actually say a prayer? Personally, (and I know others I've spoke to feel the same), I'd feel much more honoured had someone said "I'll be praying for you", rather than a card saying "From all the family, Signed Fr Maguire".
    'I'll pray for you' shows that you actually intend to do something yourself, and, as such, (for me anyway) it shows that you care a bit more.

    Obviously not everyone agrees, but I'd sooner tell someone I'd pray for them than just buy a naff card


  • #33
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Scien wrote: »
    What has that got to do with this discussion? :confused:

    If your post, which I quoted, has something to do with this discussion, it must naturally follow that my sarcastic response to it, also has something to do with this discussion.


  • #34
    Handsome Bob
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    brummytom wrote: »
    Mass cards are a fucking theft anyway.

    Whatever happened to just saying, "I'll be praying for you"? Now the priest has to pre-sign a load of Allen-press cards, what's the point?

    I always saw mass cards as one's way of saying "I know you're having a tough day so I won't disturb you, but here's a card just to show that I'm thinking of you."


  • #35
    Flamed Diving
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭Flamed Diving


    The End Of Days wrote: »
    Makes sense when you delve a little deeper into the subject.

    I'm sure it would to a person with your username.


  • #36
    Long Onion
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    I always saw mass cards as one's way of saying "I know you're having a tough day so I won't disturb you, but here's a card just to show that I'm thinking of you."

    Well then just send them a fcukin' card. Why get all massy about it? Look, is is a money making racket. Allen-press makes money, the priest makes money, the Bishop in Africa makes money. If you have to pay someone to pray for you in their time of need do you really want them praying for you at all?

    The sooner we realise that a priest can't actually save you from eternal damnation/cure leposy/whatever, the sooner we can evolve as a human race.


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  • #37
    Interceptor
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    Namlub wrote: »
    more or less

    Well, which is it?

    In before the Pope shuts us down:pac:

    'cptr


  • #38
    Handsome Bob
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    Long Onion wrote: »
    Well then just send them a fcukin' card. Why get all massy about it? Look, is is a money making racket. Allen-press makes money, the priest makes money, the Bishop in Africa makes money. If you have to pay someone to pray for you in their time of need do you really want them praying for you at all?

    The sooner we realise that a priest can't actually save you from eternal damnation/cure leposy/whatever, the sooner we can evolve as a human race.

    Maybe people think that mass cards have a more personal touch in times such as bereavement than just an ordinary card? I don't see the big deal really, if people want to pay more money for a mass card over an ordinary card then that is their perogative.


  • #39
    charliesboots
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭charliesboots


    The idea of the section of the act is to stop mass cards being used a business tool by non religous.

    Our legislators are happy enough to allow the church to continue ripping people off if they like but not joe soap.

    In saying that, the Joe Soap in question seems to be getting used to courts - http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2009/jul/12/mass-card-salesman-to-fight-child-pornography-char/


  • #40
    An Fear Aniar
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    Sleipnir wrote: »
    Selling mass cards is the same as the Catholic Church telling the rich that they would only get into heaven if they left their money to the church a few centuries ago.

    Pay us, and we'll say a few prayers for you. As a priest, my prayers go further to get you there! but you do have to pay for that.
    Disgusting.

    Yeah, they're a lot like the medieval Indulgences. They're sort of like religious lottery tickets, the more you buy the more chance you have of winning.

    .


  • #41
    ShooterSF
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Maybe people think that mass cards have a more personal touch in times such as bereavement than just an ordinary card? I don't see the big deal really, if people want to pay more money for a mass card over an ordinary card then that is their perogative.

    I agree. People waste their money on plenty of stuff. You can tell them they are but after that leave them too it. Sure look at homoeopathy. It's their money and their choice at the end of the day.
    Shops should be allowed sell them though as long as they don't claim to be endorsed by any church and they have a little mass in the store room for the person. They could even make up their own religion to fit around it.


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  • #42
    pikachucheeks
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Your actually paying someone to say a mass/prayer for you.
    Are people so fcuking lazy that they can't say their own fcuking prayers for a person?
    I mean come on... If someone came up to me and said "I prayed for you last night" I'd be very honored that they would do so.
    If they came up to me and let me know "I paid someone to say a prayer/mass for you" - honestly - the question arises, thanks but jeaus you must be horrid busy that you actually have to bribe someone to do it for you!

    Totally agree with you!
    Mass Cards are just another way for the Catholic Church to scam money out of people.

    If you want to pray for someone, pray for them! Don't feel you have to pay. Just because it's cost you money, doesn't mean the prayer will be any better!

    No offence to anyone who likes Mass Cards, or indeed the sentiment of them, but when I see them, I just find them so ... tacky.

    People claim that Scientology is wrong, for charging people to be members of the cult religion, but in this way, Catholicism is the exact same.


  • #43
    jester77
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    What's a mass card, is that the equivalent of a sick note if you can't make it on a Sunday :confused:


  • #44
    Snowie
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    whats a mass card, I've only been in a church twice...


  • #45
    TwoShedsJackson
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    Catholic Church is a money-making organisation and preys on the weak/vulnerable. News at 11.


  • #46
    brummytom
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    Snow-Monkey wrote: »
    whats a mass card, I've only been in a church twice...

    It's a card that you buy from the church, they normally look something like this: http://www.catholicprayercards.org/i/MISC%20ART/LC088.JPG

    You buy it already signed by the priest and write your intention inside (who you want to pray for). Then you give it to said person/their family.

    Yes, it's as pointless as it sounds


  • #47
    Handsome Bob
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    pikachucheeks wrote: »
    People claim that Scientology is wrong, for charging people to be members of the cult religion, but in this way, Catholicism is the exact same.

    Not really. How much does a mass card cost, like €8 or something? It is also entirely down to one's own choice in regards to whether they want to buy a mass card, and it has no bearing on your "rank" within the church. All followers are seen as equal really.

    Scientology on the other hand doesn't see its' followers as equal and indeed, will swindle thousands of dollars out of people who want to increase their "rank" within the "church".


  • #48
    admiralofthefleet
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    patrickc wrote: »
    in the local shop here there 3.50, in the parish centre there 12 euro

    big difference

    i wonder what cut the priest gets out of that towards his steak dinner every friday


  • #49
    pikachucheeks
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    12 euro!? My God!

    I'm going to get my dad to set up Protestant Mass cards, I'll have that Chanel bag in no time!

    :pac:


  • #50
    Snowie
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    brummytom wrote: »
    It's a card that you buy from the church, they normally look something like this: http://www.catholicprayercards.org/i/MISC%20ART/LC088.JPG

    You buy it already signed by the priest and write your intention inside (who you want to pray for). Then you give it to said person/their family.

    Yes, it's as pointless as it sounds



    :rolleyes: humans are stoopid


  • #51
    brummytom
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    pikachucheeks wrote: »
    12 euro!? My God!

    I'm going to get my dad to set up Protestant Mass cards, I'll have that Chanel bag in no time!

    :pac:

    Protestants don't have masses, they have services.


    /pedanticness :D


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  • #52
    pikachucheeks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,488 ✭✭✭pikachucheeks


    brummytom wrote: »
    Protestants don't have masses, they have services.


    /pedanticness :D


    Ah, I know these things, I'm a PK

    I was simply calling them Protestant Mass cards because the objects are called mass cards!


  • #53
    thomond2006
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    Mass card anyone?

    Jesus_Get_of_out_Hell_Free_Card.jpg


  • #54
    brummytom
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    pikachucheeks wrote: »
    Ah, I know these things, I'm a PK

    I was simply calling them Protestant Mass cards because the objects are called mass cards!

    Ah I'll forgive you then (as it the Catholic way :P)


  • #55
    chalkitdown
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    The guy that is taking a high court action against the proposed law gets his cards signed by a bishop in Tanzania...LOL.


  • #56
    pikachucheeks
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Not really. How much does a mass card cost, like €8 or something? It is also entirely down to one's own choice in regards to whether they want to buy a mass card, and it has no bearing on your "rank" within the church. All followers are seen as equal really.

    Scientology on the other hand doesn't see its' followers as equal and indeed, will swindle thousands of dollars out of people who want to increase their "rank" within the "church".

    It's still asking people to pay for their faith though.
    The priest will say a prayer for you, if you pay him. What sort of message is that?


  • #57
    Long Onion
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    pikachucheeks wrote: »
    Ah, I know these things, I'm a PK

    I was simply calling them Protestant Mass cards because the objects are called mass cards!

    Ulster Bank do 'service cards' with their current accounts.


  • #58
    Handsome Bob
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    pikachucheeks wrote: »
    It's still asking people to pay for their faith though.
    The priest will say a prayer for you, if you pay him. What sort of message is that?

    I don't think it's so much a case of being charged for a prayer but more a charge for the effort that goes into making the card (no matter how "tacky" it may be).

    For example, people can get anniversary masses said for their dead loved ones, absolutely free of charge. So I doubt it's the prayer that is the thing people are charged for in regards to mass cards.


  • #59
    Biggins
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    I recently had an issue (with Mary Harney and Crumlin Hospital - another thread) but while that was/is ongoing, I received a lovely beautiful personally written letter from a nice lady from the south of Ireland.
    In it she wrote that she was thinking of us, our daughter and that she was praying for us.

    That letter meant more to us than any before or subsequent mass cards just bought and paid for at a impersonal counter.
    The lady took the time to think of us, write to us, express herself, mention she was personally praying for us and especially my daughter, stamp and post it to us.
    That to the wife and I was a great, great lift to us at a particular time of deep stress.
    I don't know about the wife (I'm sure she agrees with me though) but a shop bought mass card wouldn't have the same profound effect on me - but that would be just us.


  • #60
    brummytom
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    For example, people can get anniversary masses said for their dead loved ones, absolutely free of charge. So I doubt it's the prayer that is the thing people are charged for in regards to mass cards.

    We've got a mass said for our nan's 2nd anniversary, next sunday (the actual anniversary's the Friday, but a Sunday mass is better).
    Cost us £20... that's what, E22?

    It's just a 'donation', but 20 is the going rate, and you have to state on the front of the envelope the date, name of intention and amount enclosed.


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  • #61
    Handsome Bob
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    brummytom wrote: »
    We've got a mass said for our nan's 2nd anniversary, next sunday (the actual anniversary's the Friday, but a Sunday mass is better).
    Cost us £20... that's what, E22?

    It's just a 'donation', but 20 is the going rate, and you have to state on the front of the envelope the date, name of intention and amount enclosed.

    You said though, donation. Nothing compulsory.


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