Ted Kennedy is dead

King of Kings · 26-08-2009 11:54AM

TheZohan wrote: »

Off the top of my head two reasons; he founded the Congressional Friends of Ireland and fought hard for citizenship for the illegal Irish emigrants in the U.S.

He did more for Ireland than the people you mentioned.

R.I.P. Mr. Kennedy.

TheZohan you missed my point.
I know how he is and what he has done (good/bad and the mystery of a young lady's death) but he is not excempt from criticism. I mentioned Madeline McCann cos as a child she was quite innocent. Ted for all his achievements is a Kennedy and they are far from the saints the irish media portray them as.
And to suggest that Ted Kennedy is more deserving of a "free ride" thorugh this forum than Madeline is sickening.
you disgust me.

Biggins · 26-08-2009 11:57AM

King of Kings wrote: »

TheZohan you missed my point.
In fact you missed the point so badly I think you are a fool

Have a go at a post, not the poster is the general rule here.
God knows I've been an idiot at times but good folk here have refrained from stating it, sticking within the forum rules.

Fuhrer · 26-08-2009 11:57AM

Seems to me that he understood the point perfectly anyway...

BizTalker · 26-08-2009 12:01PM

RIP,
hope there are good successors of his to continue the link with Ireland.

Earthhorse · 26-08-2009 12:04PM

A sad loss to US politics and, in some ways, the end of an era.

May he rest in peace.

dr.bollocko · 26-08-2009 12:09PM

King of Kings. In future attack the post and not the poster or you will be banned from after hours.

My name is URL · 26-08-2009 12:25PM

Sad that he's dead, he done alot of good regardless of what wrong he may have done

I wouldn't be a supporter of the whole political dynasty thing though.

Frankly too many of them were involved in governance, imo

Biggins · 26-08-2009 01:04PM

King of Kings wrote: »

TheZohan you missed my point.
I know how he is and what he has done (good/bad and the mystery of a young lady's death) but he is not excempt from criticism. I mentioned Madeline McCann cos as a child she was quite innocent. Ted for all his achievements is a Kennedy and they are far from the saints the irish media portray them as.
And to suggest that Ted Kennedy is more deserving of a "free ride" through this forum than Madeline is sickening.
you disgust me.

I must be blind but where EXACTLY did TheZohan say that "...Ted Kennedy is more deserving of a "free ride" through this forum than Madeline...".

Before you go getting disgusted, can you point out the source of its justification for existence.
Its a fair question!

stovelid · 26-08-2009 01:15PM

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Mike... · 26-08-2009 01:23PM

Anyone see the farce on the BBC News site

All the Tans throwing accusations about IRA funding etc all over the place.

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=1&forumID=6917&start=0&tstart=0&edition=2&ttl=20090826131756#paginator

stovelid · 26-08-2009 01:25PM

Mike... wrote: »

All the Tans throwing accusations about IRA funding etc all over the place.

Have the Blacks made a statement yet?

InkSlinger67 · 26-08-2009 01:34PM

R.I.P. Mr. Kennedy

ejmaztec wrote: »

Unlike his two brothers who got shot by other people, he managed to shoot himself in the foot a couple of times, so never made as much progress up the US political ladder.:(

He could have easily taken the democratic nomination in '72 and given Nixon a hell of a run but in the end refused to run on speculation about the '76 presidential race.

I reckon he didn't want to face an existing president in an election. But what does it matter, a fine man and a fine politician god rest his soul.

procure11 · 26-08-2009 01:36PM

stovelid wrote: »

Have the Blacks made a statement yet?

I started the thread and I am black!

who the fug · 26-08-2009 01:41PM

InkSlinger67 wrote: »

R.I.P. Mr. Kennedy

He could have easily taken the democratic nomination in '72 and given Nixon a hell of a run but in the end refused to run on speculation about the '76 presidential race.
.

Vote would have remained the same

49 states for Nixon v Kennedy home state, even in 1979 he was been roasted for Mary Jo, that and Nixon was popular

King of Kings · 26-08-2009 01:48PM

Biggins wrote: »

I must be blind but where EXACTLY did TheZohan say that "...Ted Kennedy is more deserving of a "free ride" through this forum than Madeline...".

Before you go getting disgusted, can you point out the source of its justification for existence.
Its a fair question!

you'd have to read my first post and then thezohan's response.

rotinaj · 26-08-2009 01:53PM

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Anyone pick him in the deadpool thread?

Had him on derby death pool

getz · 26-08-2009 01:55PM

InkSlinger67 wrote: »

R.I.P. Mr. Kennedy

He could have easily taken the democratic nomination in '72 and given Nixon a hell of a run but in the end refused to run on speculation about the '76 presidential race.

I reckon he didn't want to face an existing president in an election. But what does it matter, a fine man and a fine politician god rest his soul.

to some ted kennedy was american royality, a blue-blood,a surrogate to a litany of fatherless kennedy children,a irish/catholic,but to others he was a man that was kicked out of harvard for cheating,involved with gang crime,murder,coverups,that left two of his brothers assassinated,still most will remember him as a leading american politition,

TheZohanS · 26-08-2009 02:00PM

King of Kings wrote: »

i've nothing against Ted Kennedy (except for Irelands hard-on for his family) but why?
as mods you tolerate all kinds of offensive ****e against others (Madeline Macann and her parents for example)

what make Ted Kennedy so special?

TheZohan wrote: »

- Off the top of my head two reasons; he founded the Congressional Friends of Ireland and fought hard for citizenship for the illegal Irish emigrants in the U.S.

He did more for Ireland than the people you mentioned.

R.I.P. Mr. Kennedy.

King of Kings wrote: »

TheZohan you missed my point.
I know how he is and what he has done (good/bad and the mystery of a young lady's death) but he is not excempt from criticism. I mentioned Madeline McCann cos as a child she was quite innocent. Ted for all his achievements is a Kennedy and they are far from the saints the irish media portray them as.
And to suggest that Ted Kennedy is more deserving of a "free ride" thorugh this forum than Madeline is sickening.
you disgust me.

King of Kings wrote: »

you'd have to read my first post and then thezohan's response.

Ok so you've insulted me on thread and now misquoted me.

I have quoted my response and your reply, so please answer Biggins question.

Biggins · 26-08-2009 04:42PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Ok so you've insulted me on thread and now misquoted me.

I have quoted my response and your reply, so please answer Biggins question.

I doubt he can. I still await where exactly your supposed to have stated what he claims.
I won't hold my breath for an accurate reply.
I think its better the rest of us move on and get back to the topic.

The man for any faults he might have, stood up to those that sought to put Ireland down, within the states.
He was one of the best unofficial ambassadors for our country that ever lived.
Granted, like some politicians, he made a few mistakes (Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone).
But for any errors he might have made, for the amount of good he did, those good things far, far exceed any possible (still not proven! Innocent until FOUND guilty?) misdeeds he might have done as a small few others claim.

He was a good man, a good ambassador and a hard worker.
I hope someday others can say just the same about me when I go. I'd be so blessed.

Bonavox · 26-08-2009 05:06PM

I've never even heard of him.

Biggins · 26-08-2009 05:08PM

Bono Vox wrote: »

I've never even heard of him.

Seriously, I was I was that young again.

(I'm an old fart Bono Vox, no reflection on your good self inferred)

JONJO THE MISER · 26-08-2009 05:20PM

R.I.P Ted, a Great Irish American.

ben bedlam · 26-08-2009 05:26PM

R.I.P. Ted

procure11 · 26-08-2009 05:28PM

It would be a real shame if this thread is closed because of unecessary bickering and nit-picking.I would have thought people would show some decorum as this man played a significant role in the Northern Ireland peace process and has always been a very great support to Ireland.

Kev_ps3 · 26-08-2009 05:30PM

RIP

BigEejit · 26-08-2009 06:05PM

RIP, he did a lot for Irish people

Poccington · 26-08-2009 06:24PM

Biggins wrote: »

The man for any faults he might have, stood up to those that sought to put Ireland down, within the states.
He was one of the best unofficial ambassadors for our country that ever lived.
Granted, like some politicians, he made a few mistakes (Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone).
But for any errors he might have made, for the amount of good he did, those good things far, far exceed any possible (still not proven! Innocent until FOUND guilty?) misdeeds he might have done as a small few others claim.

He was a good man, a good ambassador and a hard worker.
I hope someday others can say just the same about me when I go. I'd be so blessed.

He might have done? He was found guilty.

He waited until 10 o clock the morning after the incident in Chappaquiddick to report the fact that Mary Jo had died in the car he drove. Even then, it was only after he realised that the body had been discovered. After the accident he went back to his hotel for a sleep, he even had the neck to complain to the hotel owner that he was being kept awake by a party.

Of course the jail sentence he should have recieved, was suspended because of who he was.

He did some good but the man was far from a saint.

Whosbetter? · 26-08-2009 06:25PM

End of an era.

RIP Ted.

Biggins · 26-08-2009 06:32PM

Poccington wrote: »

...He did some good but the man was far from a saint.

100% True, but the way some Americans make out, you'd swear he was a criminal of the worst kind. As stated above, he made mistakes but by far the vast majority of his actions were indeed very, very good not just to his own people but to the Irish.
Some just find it easy to overlook that however and just pick on the minority one (or two, if there is a second?) things he did wrong.

We have all made mistakes to some different degree. Should we all be judged just by our small bad mistakes or hopefully by a fuller assessment of both bad and good?

I personally still consider him to be generally by far, a good person.
I'm a sinner so I can't cast the first stone.

Poccington · 26-08-2009 06:34PM

Biggins wrote: »

100% True, but the way some Americans make out, you'd swear he was a criminal of the worst kind. As stated above, he made mistakes but by far the vast majority of his actions were indeed very, very good not just to his own people but to the Irish.
Some just find it easy to overlook that however and just pick on the minority one (or two, if there is a second?) things he did wrong.

I don't think there was a second, he was just a tad bit fond of the women and gargle. :pac:

The amount of good he did is to be applauded though.

R.I.P

Ted Kennedy is dead

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