Dissidents setting up checkpoints

FlutterinBantam · 23-08-2009 08:10AM

Hagar wrote: »

If only we could persuade them to wipe-out the clampers.

And let every fcuker go into town centres and block up parking spaces for the day so the casual visitor can't park anywhere.???

Bit of sense man.

DamoDLK · 23-08-2009 08:39AM

Rebelheart wrote: »

More interesting in that British "news" bulletin is the comment about the "once notorious south Armagh"

"Notorious" indeed. Such quality impartial journalism.

Edit. Better quality reporting: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0822/breaking45.htm

"Notorious" = Fair Comment in this case tbh.

fintonie · 23-08-2009 11:10AM

on reflection after 24 cans, 3 bottles of wine, 1 bottle of black bush and half a bottle of vodka (I couldn't find anything else)

there needs to be anarchy, people have jobs to do and there needs to be someone there to give them work that is there main purpose.

doctors, solicitors, police, army, fire service, auto manufactures, ditch diggers, pizza takeaways, firework manufacturers, fertilizer manufacturers, prison officers, clerks, judges, juries, council workers,furneral homes, florest, the amount of work created by these people should not be brushed aside, the knee making industry has hit an all time low over the last ten years, where is the sense in that.

i'm sure there are many more I have not mentioned.

Adamisconfused · 23-08-2009 09:31PM

mega man wrote: »

did the psni do anything about it??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8216231.stm

"Police said a patrol witnessed the men stopping vehicles in the Meigh area near Newry on Friday evening.

A PSNI spokesperson said the patrol pulled back to allow the situation to be fully evaluated."

Wow! Just wow.
Why would the PSNI admit to this cowardice? It's surreal.

Biggins · 23-08-2009 09:44PM

Adamisconfused wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8216231.stm

"Police said a patrol witnessed the men stopping vehicles in the Meigh area near Newry on Friday evening.

A PSNI spokesperson said the patrol pulled back to allow the situation to be fully evaluated."

Wow! Just wow.
Why would the PSNI admit to this cowardice? It's surreal.

Get a grip and stop trying to slander the PSNI!

ONLY an idiots would go up to a bunch of brainless masked scumbags with sub-machine guns and ask the equivalent of "What are you doing here lads!"
If these scum even had half a brain, they would have had lookouts/spotters a distance off too.
The police would know this and if they didn't they would have at least to stand back and assess if this was the case, assess what type of military hardware were they facing, assess what equipment is needed in order to tackle the scum and what methods are best used and from what direction should they approach, in order to deal with the situation, etc.

If one is crazy enough (as a police person) to go wandering up to these lads without first using the head, you'd deserve to get your ass blown off!
Have a bit of kop-on. This was a first incident of this kind for some time.
The legal authorities in the form of police are not going to go blundering in like brainless idiots.
Jeeze... the all too quick to slag mentality of some people!

The PSNI wear a uniform, you can see their faces, you can get their number and station, etc.
The REAL cowardice is from these unwanted scumbags cowering behind their masks on dark night roads, then scurrying away into the fields like rats.
Yea, they are the real cowards! Fcuk off the lot of them! SCUM!!!

fintonie · 23-08-2009 09:53PM

scum is a very lose terminology there is history here,

I do want to see peace but ranting and using scum as a word to banter just dont fix the problem,

what is there reasons why do they feel the need to cause upset,

I would think there is at least one person within there midst thinking the right thing.

Adamisconfused · 23-08-2009 09:56PM

Biggins wrote: »

Get a grip and stop trying to slander the PSNI!

ONLY an idiots would go up to a bunch of brainless masked scumbags with sub-machine guns and ask the equivalent of "What are you doing here lads!"
If these scum even had half a brain, they would have had lookouts/spotters a distance off too.
The police would know this and if they didn't they would have at least to stand back and access if this was the case, assess what type of military hardware were they facing, assess what equipment is needed in order to tackle the scum and what methods are best used and from what direction should they approach, in order to deal with the situation, etc.

If one is crazy enough (as a police person) to go wandering up to these lads without first using the head, you'd deserve to get your ass blown off!
Have a bit of kop-on. This was a first incident of this kind for some time.
The legal authorities in the form of police are not going to go blundering in like brainless idiots.
Jeeze... the all too quick to slag mentality of some people!

The PSNI wear a uniform, you can see their faces, you can get their number and station, etc.
The REAL cowardice is from these unwanted scumbags cowering behind their masks on dark night roads, then scurrying away into the fields like rats.
Yea, they are the real cowards! Fcuk off the lot of them! SCUM!!!

What is the police force for?

Where did they go and why didn’t they come back with reinforcements?
It’s cowardice; pure and simple. They ran away. The dissidents walked into a bar and handed out leaflets before setting up a checkpoint outside. Plenty of time to seal the border and get people in to deal with criminals.
If these people are a threat to the community then how can you say that the police did the right thing by not dealing with the situation and simply leaving the community in the hands of people you even call scum? What do you think would have happened twenty years ago if an IRA checkpoint was found?
Slander? :rolleyes:
If they can’t do their job then they’re failures. It’s as simple as that. I’d be angry beyond belief if the Gardaí had not tried to respond in some way if these people were south of the border. I’m not talking about the first few to spot the dissidents. I’m referring to getting people in who could do the job. Even if they got away, I'd be happy that something was being done.
In this case, it seems the PSNI did nothing except reverse up the road and speed away from the people they're meant to be arresting.

EDIT: Also, this is not the first incident in a long time. From politics.ie, I've read of two more IRA checkpoints in Fermanagh in recent months. Surely, the police must have protocols to deal with these situations. If not, then they’re incompetent and not the guardians of society I once thought.

My name is URL · 23-08-2009 10:16PM

fintonie wrote: »

scum is a very lose terminology there is history here,

I do want to see peace but ranting and using scum as a word to banter just dont fix the problem,

what is there reasons why do they feel the need to cause upset,

I would think there is at least one person within there midst thinking the right thing.

Hell, of all the groups of people that get called scum here, these guys deserve the title.

They think they can undermine the dedication of most republicans and the work that has gone into securing a peaceful life for people on both sides of the border. That's more than scummy

I'm all for an integrated Ireland but what's the point in resorting to these tactics to achieve it?

There'll always be one group that sinks to a deeper level of intimidating people to get what they want if this behavior is allowed to continue

fintonie · 23-08-2009 10:29PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Hell, of all the groups of people that get called scum here, these guys deserve the title.

They think they can undermine the dedication of most republicans and the work that has gone into securing a peaceful life for people on both sides of the border. That's more than scummy

I'm all for an integrated Ireland but what's the point in resorting to these tactics to achieve it?

There will always be one group that sinks to a deeper level of intimidating people to get what they want if this behavior is allowed to continue

so when the IRA were using these tactics it was ok (I say this in the best possible way) it is not sorted yet a reminder of what was and what could be is importent,

do you think its time to hope and belive in what is an all Ireland state or are you happy with it as it stands.

upthedub · 23-08-2009 10:33PM

Biggins wrote: »

Small dicks trying to be big boys. Unwanted idiots the lot of them.

Do you no them personally????

netwhizkid wrote: »

I'd like to see them try this in East Belfast!! :pac:

Why what you "think" would happen??

My name is URL · 23-08-2009 10:35PM

fintonie wrote: »

so when the IRA were using these tactics it was ok (I say this in the best possible way) it is not sorted yet a reminder of what was and what could be is importent,

do you think its time to hope and belive in what is an all Ireland state or are you happy with it as it stands.

We're a lot better of now than we were in the 70's, imo

There's a fine line between illegal checkpoints and armed patrols on the border, surely you don't want to go back to the dark days..?

History is what it is, it's how we deal with the future that's going to matter

Kalashnikov_Kid · 23-08-2009 10:37PM

Adamisconfused wrote: »

What is the police force for?

Where did they go and why didn’t they come back with reinforcements?
It’s cowardice; pure and simple. They ran away. The dissidents walked into a bar and handed out leaflets before setting up a checkpoint outside. Plenty of time to seal the border and get people in to deal with criminals.
If these people are a threat to the community then how can you say that the police did the right thing by not dealing with the situation and simply leaving the community in the hands of people you even call scum? What do you think would have happened twenty years ago if an IRA checkpoint was found?
Slander? :rolleyes:
If they can’t do their job then they’re failures. It’s as simple as that. I’d be angry beyond belief if the Gardaí had not tried to respond in some way if these people were south of the border. I’m not talking about the first few to spot the dissidents. I’m referring to getting people in who could do the job. Even if they got away, I'd be happy that something was being done.
In this case, it seems the PSNI did nothing except reverse up the road and speed away from the people they're meant to be arresting.

EDIT: Also, this is not the first incident in a long time. From politics.ie, I've read of two more IRA checkpoints in Fermanagh in recent months. Surely, the police must have protocols to deal with these situations. If not, then they’re incompetent and not the guardians of society I once thought.

Ever see the Gardai storm Moyross? No me neither. I'm not condoning what the dissidents are doing, but the RUC/PSNI have struggled to control what goes on in South Armagh for decades, so they are obviously going to be a bit selective in how to approach this, especially when many members of the 'community' would be somewhat more sympathetic to republicans rather than the PSNI, so dont just expect blanket arrests (rightly or wrongly) to be made at a whim.

upthedub · 23-08-2009 10:38PM

Illegal???

Its similar to the brittish setting up checkpoints in iraq isnt it??Or what is the difference...?

brummytom · 23-08-2009 10:40PM

upthedub wrote: »

Illegal???

Its similar to the brittish setting up checkpoints in iraq isnt it??Or what is the difference...?

No. Whether you think that war was illegal or not (it was), it's still sanctioned by official bodies.

Illegal checkpoints on the border by a few morons in a wooly hat with eyeholes is nowhere near the same thing.

upthedub · 23-08-2009 10:42PM

brummytom wrote: »

No. Whether you think that war was illegal or not (it was), it's still sanctioned by official bodies.

Illegal checkpoints on the border by a few morons in a wooly hat with eyeholes is nowhere near the same thing.

Morons..:rolleyes:

Maybe there sick of the brittish sticking there noses in everywere and want to show them a few lessons...;)

fintonie · 23-08-2009 10:58PM

My name is URL wrote: »

We're a lot better of now than we were in the 70's, imo

There's a fine line between illegal checkpoints and armed patrols on the border, surely you don't want to go back to the dark days..?

History is what it is, it's how we deal with the future that's going to matter

history creates the future, to disconcert the past is keeping us in the present but your entitled to your opinion as much of a killer it may be

brummytom · 23-08-2009 11:03PM

upthedub wrote: »

Morons..:rolleyes:

Maybe there sick of the brittish sticking there noses in everywere and want to show them a few lessons...;)

Yes, Morons. Not 'Freedom Fighters', Morons.

You can read through my post history, I've made it quite clear that I would have been on the side of the republicans/IRA during the 'troubles', don't presume just because I'm British by birth that I support or condone the actions this government carried out during that time.

But that was the past, Northern Ireland is a hell of a lot better off now. Sure, there's still high tensions in certain areas (my best mates uncle was beaten to within an inch of his life in Belfast a few weeks ago purely for being Catholic) but it's still nowhere near on a par with what it was.
There, from what I gather from relations up there, is barely any British presence remains.

People who want to drag the place back into war don't deserve respect, support or oxygen.

fintonie · 23-08-2009 11:09PM

brummytom wrote: »

Yes, Morons. Not 'Freedom Fighters', Morons.

You can read through my post history, I've made it quite clear that I would have been on the side of the republicans/IRA during the 'troubles', don't presume just because I'm British by birth that I support or condone the actions this government carried out during that time.

But that was the past, Northern Ireland is a hell of a lot better off now. Sure, there's still high tensions in certain areas (my best mates uncle was beaten to within an inch of his life in Belfast a few weeks ago purely for being Catholic) but it's still nowhere near on a par with what it was.
There, from what I gather from relations up there, is barely any British presence remains.

you were lucky he is still alive, have you got an answer to the end.
People who want to drag the place back into war don't deserve respect, support or oxygen.

Biggins · 23-08-2009 11:13PM

Kalashnikov_Kid wrote: »

Ever see the Gardai storm Moyross? No me neither. I'm not condoning what the dissidents are doing, but the RUC/PSNI have struggled to control what goes on in South Armagh for decades, so they are obviously going to be a bit selective in how to approach this, especially when many members of the 'community' would be somewhat more sympathetic to republicans rather than the PSNI, so dont just expect blanket arrests (rightly or wrongly) to be made at a whim.

Yep but sadly some clearly don't get that. They are still living in the dark ages of thinking and doing things. Didn't work for them then and its not working for them now.
The people of Ireland don't want them or want anything to do with them.
They can run around like face covered rats all they want in the dark. The only people they are really fooling is themselves and clearly, with they operating in the dark, that's as far as their foresight and intelligence can extent to. Just not far enough to see the light, any light of intelligence!
The IRA was supposedly the best terrorist army in Ireland at the time - and even they (the vast majority of their members/units) kopped themselves on and saw what was working, what wasn't and what the people supported and didn't!

These scurrying rats will get as far as they have gotten already, dark country land and hedgerows.
Their actions are just laughable and they are the biggest sad joke of all!

fintonie · 23-08-2009 11:17PM

it will happen all Ireland get used to it snap

stovelid · 23-08-2009 11:17PM

My name is URL wrote: »

It also advised against people speaking with Sinn Fein or MI5 and carried threats against anti-social behavior and drug-dealing, according to Mr Bradley.

S-Murph · 23-08-2009 11:21PM

My name is URL wrote: »

We're a lot better of now than we were in the 70's, imo

There's a fine line between illegal checkpoints and armed patrols on the border, surely you don't want to go back to the dark days..?

History is what it is, it's how we deal with the future that's going to matter

Dark days?

The darkest clouds are over the likes of Massereene where scummers in their desert fatigues prepare to export their violence and mass slaughter on innocent Afghanis and Iraqi's.

Its funny how the likes of you mouth off disgust at militant republicans staging a mere checkpoint, while some of the biggest terrorists on the planet are cosied up inside their barracks on Irish soil.

The 'dark days' will always be here. So long as there is an economic imperative for imperialism, either in Ireland or Iraq or elsewhere, death and destruction will always be with us.

Soldiers not stationed here are soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan, but I guess 'out of sight, out of mind' with you.

I wonder whether you would apply proportionate disgust to the terror and barbarism conducted by the british state, who paradoxically you would favour using against republican checkpoints.

Biggins · 23-08-2009 11:21PM

upthedub wrote: »

Illegal???

Its similar to the British setting up checkpoints in iraq isnt it??Or what is the difference...?

To begin with...

1. They can be identified.
2. They show their faces.
3. They are accountable for their actions (even to their own heads if we disagree with the result)
4. They don't just stick to back lanes and the night like scared rats.

...and even if one doesn't agree with the British being somewhere, two wrongs don't make a right!
A better person will rise above the previous action of the former and not stoop the the same supposed level - that is, if they have even half a brain!

S-Murph · 23-08-2009 11:36PM

brummytom wrote: »

No. Whether you think that war was illegal or not (it was), it's still sanctioned by official bodies.

And who decides what is 'official'?

Saddam was the 'official' president of Iraq, backed by 'official' bodies.

Or was he unofficial?

An Fear Aniar · 24-08-2009 01:05AM

S-Murph wrote: »

And who decides what is 'official'?

In a democracy.... the people do, and they've made their opinions clear on the future of NI.

.

the_syco · 24-08-2009 01:11AM

I wonder when the boys and girls training for Afghan will come across the men in camo trying to look big? That'd get real messy, real quick...

S-Murph · 24-08-2009 01:29AM

An Fear Aniar wrote: »

In a democracy.... the people do, and they've made their opinions clear on the future of NI.

What an empty argument.

Besides the fact that British terror rains down death and destruction on entire nations and countries of many millions, to whom they never had a say in the matter, using 'democracy' as an argument is useless.

When it comes to 'states', violence in and of itself creates the mandate. For you see 'democracy' requires a 'body of people' to extract a 'mandate', - a majority.

However, 'the body of people' is an arbitrary construct, nothing definite and entirely subjective.

It is the british state, through violence, which asserts its authority over its subjects and thus defines "the people" to which it rules and can extract its mandate.

Violence preceeds any mandate. Violence preceeds and defines the "democracy".

It could equally be argued that the IRA are an entirely democratic institution in that those who join are volunteers, and participate directly.

"The IRA" being that arbitrary majority to which I choose, and which suits my own purposes - as you have done yourself.

As the saying goes, "one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist".

Biggins · 24-08-2009 02:28AM

S-Murph wrote: »

...It could equally be argued that the IRA are an entirely democratic institution in that those who join are volunteers, and participate directly...

Was the NAZI party democratic too just because civilians thought they were doing the right thing and joining too?
Is the Taliban democratic too just because their volunteers joined?
Is the Chinese Army democratic just because its civilians are making up its numbers!

Please! The more you go on, the more and more your showing just how limited your knowledge is on the background of the topic.

Have you bothered at all to read their IRA/Sinn Fein manifesto for Ireland and the direction in which they want to take it?

Your statement that "the IRA are an entirely democratic institution..."is just laughable and a poor reflection on the quality of research into the institutional background of the organisation your espousing for.

Instead of continuing here, take a break for a while and do educate yourself more on the topic you wish to advocate.
IRA = Democracy ...just laughable.
Jeasus, is this really the state of the Irish education system today?

K-9 · 24-08-2009 02:45AM

Biggins wrote: »

Was the NAZI party democratic too just because civilians thought they were doing the right thing and joining too?
Is the Taliban democratic too just because their volunteers joined?
Is the Chinese Army democratic just because its civilians are making up its numbers!

Please! The more you go on, the more and more your showing just how limited your knowledge is on the background of the topic.

Have you bothered at all to read their IRA/Sinn Fein manifesto for Ireland and the direction in which they want to take it?

Your statement that "the IRA are an entirely democratic institution..."is just laughable and a poor reflection on the quality of research into the institutional background of the organisation your espousing for.

Instead of continuing here, take a break for a while and do educate yourself more on the topic you wish to advocate.
IRA = Democracy ...just laughable.
Jeasus, is this really the state of the Irish education system today?

Biggins, there is only one true history about the North. Anybody argues with S-Murph "doesn't know anything about the North".

Biggins · 24-08-2009 02:51AM

K-9 wrote: »

Biggins, there is only one true history about the North. Anybody argues with S-Murph "doesn't know anything about the North".

True and sad. Like a horse wearing blinkers, can only see what its wants to see in just one direction - not the full scene or picture.

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