UK tabloids report plans for mass graves in response to Swine Flu

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I cant see why there is a problem with a government putting contingency plans in place for a large mortality rate. Image the chaos if such a plan wasn't in place. It seems alot of the plans were drawn up when they thought that Swine flu was going to be a major killer, as with H5N1 before it.

More people die of the common cold each year than have died yet. Unless there is a monumental explosion in deaths from the H1N1 then I think it's all scaremongering to sell newspapers tbh. That's where the real conspiracy is, look to who actually benefits from keeping these things healine news...

prinz wrote: »

More people die of the common cold each year than have died yet.

More people have died from this swine flu then from the vaccinations being currently tested for it.

Right?

Unless there is a monumental explosion in deaths from the H1N1 then I think it's all scaremongering to sell newspapers tbh.

Ditto, then, for the vaccine...until there's a huge explosion in deaths from it, its all just scaremongering.

Right?

Of course not. Both of my above points are obviously flawed.

We can't meanigfully look at the potential impact from a vaccine that hasn't been rolled out, so it would be foolish to say "because it hasn't happened yet, its scaremongering to suggest it could happen at all".

What is, perhaps, being overlooked is that the same flaw exists in the claims that the pandemic is also being overblown. People are basically arguing that because we haven't seen massive fatalities already, it won't happen....and that until we have need of those mass graves and its too late to do anything, we shouldn't trust anyone who as much as suggests that something might need to be done, or draws up plans for the evnetuality that it could happen.

Lets imagine, for just a second, that the threat from the pandemic is real...that the progression of the flu is following the standard pattern for a pandemic, and that the death toll will be somewhere from hundreds of thousands to tens of millions worldwide. Whether or not you accept that this is the case...just pretend for a moment that we're in such a scenario.

At what point should someone start thinking about doing something about it? At what point should they start planning for prevention and/or management of the disaster?

It seems to me that what's being argued is that nothing should be done until the bodies are countable....what which point, I'm sure no-one would level as much as a single accusation at governments for not having prepared or tried something to prevent the situation, right? Not one conspiracy theory would exist to say that the inaction of the government was deliberate to ensure a maximum of impact, and to further some other goals.

That's where the real conspiracy is, look to who actually benefits from keeping these things healine news...

Again...the same logic applies to both sides. Look at who benefits from keeping the scare-mongering about vaccination in the headline news. The same people who are selling headline news plus those with an agenda which is furthered by said headlines.

We've already seen it on these boards...that concerns about a specific vaccine are mostly rooted in arguments which apply to any and all vaccines.

There's little of anything about how this vaccine is different...and plenty about how vaccines are bad. Its an "anti vaccination" agenda, which is leveraging the swine-flu to further its cause...and being helped by the very same mainstream media.

Look at the sources for all the anti-vaccination arguments. Its coming from medical professionals. from scientitsts and from organisations connected to government and big pharma...and passed on to us by the mainstream media.

Is this, then, also a conspiracy? Are the media conspiring with some anti-vaccination group? Are they conspiring with pro-vacciantion as well?

Or is there just no conspiracy, and rather differing groups each following their own agendas....including the media who just want to sell copy.

ilivetolearn wrote: »

Cheers but didn't I dedicate an entire paragraph to this in my OP?

but your op doesn't give a CT at all... what is the Conspiracy here....

On beds of money, surrounded by many beautiful women, I'd think.

The "word on the street" is that the US and UK will be getting the "special" vaccines, everywhere else will be getting the regular ones. It's just a rumour with absolutely nothing to back it as far as I can tell, but it would be a convenient way to enforce martial law and a subsequent corporate takeover of the US and UK.

Just a rumour, but an interesting one all the same.

Welcome to the conspiracy theories forum!

tallaght01 wrote: »

Honestly dude, you need to be careful about advising people that getting vaccinated will kill them. It's really, truly irresponsible. I'm involved in testing the vaccine, so it's utter tripe to say it's not being tested. The provisional results have shown no major probs so far.

As for mass graves, they are part of every country's "pandemic plan". Most countries in the world have them, including Ireland. They have plans for worst case scenarios (such as a highly contagious ebola with civil unrest). In fact, in the UK, their pandemic plan had a facility for shooting people if the need arose.

But parts of the pandemic plan will be used for swine flu. Like I'm involved in setting up mass vaccination at the minute. But I don't anticipate culling anyone :P

Points to take into consideration:

(1) The vaccines you are testing are not necessarily the vaccines us folks here in Ireland will be receiving. We're getting them from Baxter and GSK (as far as I know) and they may or may not contain adjuvants. Do the vaccines that you are testing contain adjuvants? Are they from Baxter or GSK?

(2) The provional results show no side effects but these are only short term results. Side effects such as auto immune problems may not manifest for many, many months or even longer. Unless we have some way of accurately predicting what will happen, people are basically being treated as guinea pigs.

(3) You say you are involved in setting up mass vaccinations at the moment. Are you taking into consideration the advice of the Australasian Society for Infectious Diseases? Or have they no idea what they are talking about? (seriously, what do you think?)

http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=394%3Aaustralias-top-doctors-say-no-mass-vaccinations-needed-warn-vaccinations-will-spread-disease&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en

Captain Furball wrote: »

The news papers are trying to scare the crap out of people.
How are they able to sleep at night is beyond me lol.

If mass graves start being excavated in Ireland and a picture such as the one above appears in our newspapers, expect to see 7 or 8 boyos standing beside the digger eating breakfast rolls co-ordinating the job. Also expect the following headline and story in the papers:

First mass grave due for completion in 2011

The mass graves currently being excavated as part of the State's pandemic emergency planning strategy are expected to be delayed for at least another 2 years. Problems arose in the project after a recent spate of burglaries in construction sites across the country, currently upto 132 JCBs have been reported as stolen. Sources at the Garda Headquarters in Dublin have stated that the JCB's have been linked to attempted robberies on "hole-in the-wall" machines across the country as people resort to desperate measures due to the depature of the "Celtic Tiger" from our shores.......

tallaght01 wrote: »

I'm not testing a baxter or GSK vaccine. BUt there's really balls all difference between the vaccines that each of the companies make. They're the same stuff that's in the seasonal vaccine we get every year, except the viral particle changes. The vaccines I'm involved with don't contain adjuvants because we don't need them. Some formulations do. But, despite what youtube tells you, adjuvants in any modern vaccine have never been shown to cause illness.

The only autoimmune disease ever shown to be associated with vaccination is guillain bare syndrome. It takes about 10 weeks at most after the vaccine to show up. It effects about 1 in 10,000 people and is almost always self resolving. But, like I said, none of the ingredients are new. They're the same as the seasonal flu vaccine, so no one is being used as a guinea pig. On the contrary, not making a safe vaccine available to protect people against a novel virus is experimenting with vulnerable people.

I don't know what the advice from the ASID that you're talking about is. They release a lot of guidelines on a lot of stuff. But I know a few of their members, and they're top notch. But they're experts in treatment of individuals rather than populations. The real experts on this are public health physicians.

I dont think GBS is the only A..I disease linked to vaccines (e.g. autism) but thats another kettle of fish altogether so I'll leave it at that.

Baxter are producing their virus material using new technology that isnt being used with most other vaccines. Apparently, it has its risks that other methods dont have, I have more info on this, will post later for you to look at if you want (have to run).

You should really look at this link for info on ASID, if its BS Id like to have it debunked, nothing worse than scaremongering (which their report is if it's false)

http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=394%3Aaustralias-top-doctors-say-no-mass-vaccinations-needed-warn-vaccinations-will-spread-disease&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en