Cork V Tyrone

premierstone · 19-08-2009 12:59PM

Lemlin wrote: »

As for Cork players not being sent off. The games between them and Kerry have often had two or three players sent off from both sides, and sometimes drift towards nothing more than thuggery at the end.

LoL dont let the facts get in the way of a good debate Lemlin! My memory must be failing me so can you remind me of all these games where between 4 and 6 players were sent off?

Lemlin · 19-08-2009 01:02PM

premierstone wrote: »

LoL dont let the facts get in the way of a good debate Lemlin! My memory must be failing me so can you remind me of all these games where between 4 and 6 players were sent off?

I meant that between the two teams two to three players were sent off. Now edited. And it has happened in games between the two. Can't remember what year but it definitely has happened.

Even last year Donnacha O'Connor and Darragh O'Se were sent off and there have been countless other sendings off.

Lemlin · 19-08-2009 01:04PM

blackbelt wrote: »

Last time these two teams played was in the league in 2007 and Cork won comfortably as I remember but this is a total different kettle of fish.Cork are at their most dangerous when they are written off and I feel this is the case ever so slightly this weekend.

If Tyrone win this game,they should go on to beat Kerry in the AI Final.The worst thing imaginable is for Cork to beat Tyrone and get trounced in the AI Final by Kerry a la 2007.

I think the common denominator is Kildare.Last year Cork played them in a quarter final and built up an impressive lead on them until Kildare came back and Cork hung on to prevent a draw.This year Kildare have improved greatly by winning games comprehensively instead of stuttering over the line against average teams like Limerick and bad teams like Cavan.Kildare got a great start against Tyrone this year and looked to have them in trouble but Tyrone's resolve got them the win as they kept it tight.If Cork get a good start,Tyrone will need to keep it within 3 points and stay with them.

I think the first 20 minutes will tell a lot about which way this game is going to go.Tyrone basically took Dublin and Wexford out in the first 20 minutes and this meant that neither team could get a foothold in the game.I believe Cork will need to either keep it tight or get a 5 point plus margin on Tyrone if they are to win this game.Apart from the Munster Final in 2008,I can't remember the last time Cork came from behind to win.Looking at Meath v Tyrone in 2007,Meath got a great start and built up a 4 or 5 point lead which affected Tyrone's performance.However,now that Tyrone have all their players back again,they will use the same formula from 2005 and 2008.While I don't think there is much between Cork and Kerry,Tyrone do know how to handle Kerry and beat them.Such similarities between Kerry and Cork may play into Tyrone's hands.

I'm leaning slightly towards Tyrone for the win.

I think I could go back over every post of yours mentioning Cavan from the last number of years and every single post would be negative.

And then I'm the one has a problem with Dublin....

blackbelt · 19-08-2009 01:47PM

Lemlin wrote: »

I think I could go back over every post of yours mentioning Cavan from the last number of years and every single post would be negative.

And then I'm the one has a problem with Dublin....

Lol,stating the bleeding obvious.;);)

blackbelt · 19-08-2009 01:50PM

premierstone wrote: »

LoL dont let the facts get in the way of a good debate Lemlin! My memory must be failing me so can you remind me of all these games where between 4 and 6 players were sent off?

I think Lemlin is referring to the 2008 Munster Final where Marc O Se,Darragh O Se and Nicholas Murphy were sent off and then the semi-final last year with the O Mahoney incident.

He has overstated the numbers but 2-3 players being sent off has happened.Not that I think it was completely merited though.The O Se's sending off was soft when looking at replays.I don't think some of the sendings off were as a result of dirty play.

Lemlin · 19-08-2009 03:30PM

blackbelt wrote: »

I think Lemlin is referring to the 2008 Munster Final where Marc O Se,Darragh O Se and Nicholas Murphy were sent off and then the semi-final last year with the O Mahoney incident.

He has overstated the numbers but 2-3 players being sent off has happened.Not that I think it was completely merited though.The O Se's sending off was soft when looking at replays.I don't think some of the sendings off were as a result of dirty play.

There were other years where 3 players were sent off in a Cork Kerry game and sending off are a regular occurence in those matches. Far more so than, say, games between Armagh and Tyrone.

Yet Ulster teams are the ones branded "aggressive" and "in your face".

Lemlin · 19-08-2009 03:34PM

blackbelt wrote: »

Lol,stating the bleeding obvious.;);)

I just find it funny that you go out of your way to put Cavan down. You're in a thread here about Cork and Tyrone yet you still manage to bring it back to Cavan and a negative comment.

For example, earlier this year you stated on another thread that Cavan have terrible support. Cavan games actually had the second best attendances in the league this year. I'm not sure who had the best as my source is the local paper down here, the Anglo Celt.

Perhaps you could worry less about trying to get digs in at Cavan and worry more about contributing to the discussion.

premierstone · 19-08-2009 03:38PM

Lemlin wrote: »

There were other years where 3 players were sent off in a Cork Kerry game and sending off are a regular occurence in those matches. Far more so than, say, games between Armagh and Tyrone.

Yet Ulster teams are the ones branded "aggressive" and "in your face".

You seem to use the words ''often'' and ''regularly'' a bit loosely, you do realise that Cork and Kerry invariably play each other between 3 and 5 times a year, yet you have given one example where 3 players were sent off and say it occurs regularly

BTW seen that you seem to be the defender of all things Ulster, what did you make of the Derry-Monaghan game earlier in the year, good honest game wasnt it :P

Lemlin · 19-08-2009 03:59PM

premierstone wrote: »

You seem to use the words ''often'' and ''regularly'' a bit loosely, you do realise that Cork and Kerry invariably play each other between 3 and 5 times a year, yet you have given one example where 3 players were sent off and say it occurs regularly

BTW seen that you seem to be the defender of all things Ulster, what did you make of the Derry-Monaghan game earlier in the year, good honest game wasnt it :P

There is generally at least one player sent off each time they play. Even Paul Galvin was sent off this year. I could start looking up the different games and the years but I'm in work and haven't the time. Blackbelt has pointed out one and there were others.

Where are you from may I ask? The media make it all too easy to jump on the bandwagon. That was one match and it could have happened anywhere. As I said, the Cork Kerry games regularly descend into violence. Would you disagree? They're not from Ulster though so it isn't fashionable to bleat on about it and use it as a reason why the rest of the country are unable to beat them.

Like there's a description of a club match on another thread on here that happened between Portumna and another side but it wouldn't get half the coverage that Derry Monaghan game did. The two counties also had another match which was a great game but you choose to ignore that.

Orizio · 19-08-2009 04:09PM

Lemlin wrote: »

It'd be quite a challenge to debate with you because you disagree with my point, I then make a point and then you agree with me.

You seemed to have a problem in your original post with me pointing out that Cork can be aggressive but now you are saying that you have no problem with that.

You also chose to jump in when I was actually speaking about another person's comment so you involved yourself here, I didn't involve you.

As for Cork players not being sent off. The games between them and Kerry have often had two or three players sent off between both sides, and sometimes drift towards nothing more than thuggery at the end.

Firstly, of course I don't have a problem with any team being aggressive, I'm sorry you jumped to another assumption, and secondly, the point in bold is a pile of horse**** regarding the Cork players, and completely ignores my question regarding how many Cork players have been sent off over the past few years besides Noel O'Leary this year and Nic Murphy last year.

premierstone · 19-08-2009 04:12PM

Lemlin wrote: »

There is generally at least one player sent off each time they play. Even Paul Galvin was sent off this year. I could start looking up the different games and the years but I'm in work and haven't the time. Blackbelt has pointed out one and there were others.

Where are you from may I ask? The media make it all too easy to jump on the bandwagon. That was one match and it could have happened anywhere. As I said, the Cork Kerry games regularly descend into violence. Would you disagree? They're not from Ulster though so it isn't fashionable to bleat on about it and use it as a reason why the rest of the country are unable to beat them.

I am from Tipp so have no vested interest in either side of this tbh, but I do find it amussing the way all counties in Ulster defend the others to the last no matter what, especially considering what goes on when they play each other.

I actually dont agree that Cork Kerry games ''regularly'' descend into violence maybe Im wrong but its just not what id associate with them games. And the game that was refernced with the three reds was aterrible wet day and at least one of the cards was overturned iirc.

Lemlin · 19-08-2009 04:15PM

Orizio wrote: »

Firstly, of course I don't have a problem with any team being aggressive, I'm sorry you jumped to another assumption, and secondly, the point in bold is a pile of horse**** regarding the Cork players, and completely ignores my question regarding how many Cork players have been sent off over the past few years besides Noel O'Leary this year and Nic Murphy last year.

If you didn't have a problem with me saying Cork were aggressive, why exactly did you jump into the thread when I said it? Is it not fair to assume that you had a problem with me saying it when you started debating after it was said and directly quoted it.

Also, you were debating with me before I made the reference to Cork having players sent off? So, again, are you just debating for the sake of it here or why did you jump into the thread?

The last Cork game I was at was Cork Meath in 2007 and Graham Geragthy got his own bit of attention that day. I was a neutral at the game but it was easy to see.

Colm R · 19-08-2009 04:26PM

Hey lads come on, yer ruining the biggest thread that I've ever started.

I'm throwing my toys out of the pram, taking my ball and going home. And I'm from Cork, I'm good at that!!!

Orizio · 19-08-2009 04:29PM

Lemlin wrote: »

There is generally at least one player sent off each time they play. Even Paul Galvin was sent off this year. I could start looking up the different games and the years but I'm in work and haven't the time. Blackbelt has pointed out one and there were others.

Where are you from may I ask? The media make it all too easy to jump on the bandwagon. That was one match and it could have happened anywhere. As I said, the Cork Kerry games regularly descend into violence. Would you disagree? They're not from Ulster though so it isn't fashionable to bleat on about it and use it as a reason why the rest of the country are unable to beat them.

Like there's a description of a club match on another thread on here that happened between Portumna and another side but it wouldn't get half the coverage that Derry Monaghan game did. The two counties also had another match which was a great game but you choose to ignore that.

No, there isn't. I'm afraid your talking nonsense, while saying they 'regurly descend into violence' is hyperbole and sensationalism of the very highest degree.

You have dug yourself into a hole by being completely over the top, how about just admiting you are incorrect so we can all move on?

Lemlin · 19-08-2009 05:47PM

Orizio wrote: »

No, there isn't. I'm afraid your talking nonsense, while saying they 'regurly descend into violence' is hyperbole and sensationalism of the very highest degree.

You have dug yourself into a hole by being completely over the top, how about just admiting you are incorrect so we can all move on?

I didn't dig myself into any hole. You are the one who jumped into an argument, then realised that you actually agreed with me and chose to keep going. And you're now actually trying to pick at anything you can to try and prove yourself right.

May I ask again, why did you jump in when you actually agreed with my initial point? That it's not just Tyrone who are aggressive.

As for my nonsense, would you not say there are more Cork/Kerry games where someone is sent off than where someone is not? I'm using the tie as a reference that the Ulster games aren't the violent fare people label them. As I stated above, there are more people sent off in Cork/Kerry games than Armagh/Tyrone games yet you hear this drivel constantly spouted about Ulster.

blackbelt · 19-08-2009 09:35PM

Lemlin wrote: »

I just find it funny that you go out of your way to put Cavan down. You're in a thread here about Cork and Tyrone yet you still manage to bring it back to Cavan and a negative comment.

Where have I "gone out of my way" to put Cavan down?I used Kildare as a common denominator as both Cork and Tyrone have each played Kildare in the past year.I was merely highlighting the difference between Kildare last year and the huge improvement this year.If Cavan were beaten by Kildare last year,it is still relevent in highlighting how Kildare have gone from winning games by scraping through to winning more comprehensively.This just highlights the difference between Cork beating an average Kildare team in 2008 and Tyrone beating a good Kildare side in 2009.

Yes I do believe Cavan are a poor side.That is were the negativity starts and ends as far as I am concerned in relation to the Cavan team.

For example, earlier this year you stated on another thread that Cavan have terrible support. Cavan games actually had the second best attendances in the league this year. I'm not sure who had the best as my source is the local paper down here, the Anglo Celt.
Perhaps you could worry less about trying to get digs in at Cavan and worry more about contributing to the discussion.

As I have done.Cavan is merely a subset of teams that an average 2008 Kildare team squeezed past.That is hardly central to this thread or relevent for Sunday's game.BTW,that is not another dig at Cavan.I am just stating the facts.:)

blackbelt · 19-08-2009 10:00PM

Lemlin wrote: »

There is generally at least one player sent off each time they play. Even Paul Galvin was sent off this year. I could start looking up the different games and the years but I'm in work and haven't the time. Blackbelt has pointed out one and there were others.

Where are you from may I ask? The media make it all too easy to jump on the bandwagon. That was one match and it could have happened anywhere. As I said, the Cork Kerry games regularly descend into violence. Would you disagree? They're not from Ulster though so it isn't fashionable to bleat on about it and use it as a reason why the rest of the country are unable to beat them.

I would say "regularly descend into violence" is a OTT.I don't think the Munster Final of 2008 was as bad as made out.Marc O Se and Darragh O Se were sent off very harshly.Ok the Marc O Se incident wasn't as clear cut but Darragh O Se was sent off for soft reasons.Meanwhile Nicholas Murphy caught Scanlon very high.Out of the 3 sending offs,only Nicholas Murphy was clear cut and fair sending off.Marc O Se incident on tv replay wasn't as bad but you could hardly blame the ref as it happened so fast and Darraghs sending off was really soft.I would not say that game descended into violence.

Some games have descended into handbags and skullduggery eg O Mahoney hitting the deck as if shot but I think "violence" is OTT.

Like there's a description of a club match on another thread on here that happened between Portumna and another side but it wouldn't get half the coverage that Derry Monaghan game did. The two counties also had another match which was a great game but you choose to ignore that.[/QUOTE

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Yes same thing but club games don't get the national coverage intercounty games do.People will remember that terrible violent game between Monaghan and Derry,the handbags,the punches and the knees.They will also remember the classic game they played a few weeks later.

Some Ulster games can be hard to watch.Armagh v Monaghan was another game I don't care to remember.It just never got going as a footballing contest.All it was was players fouling each other and conceding frees.More a case of who could beat themselves rather than who could win the game.

The propensity of games that are dirty or riddled with gamesmanship is something which Ulster people have to admit is a problem.In 2005 we had Tyrone and Armagh and Canavan getting sent off after 30 seconds among other players.This year we had Derry v Monaghan and Monaghan v Armagh.

dungeon · 20-08-2009 01:40AM

The thing about sendings off is that we cannot generalise. The truth is that some of the players mentioned who have been sent off are little short of thugs and everyone knows that.
On the other hand, some are so passionate and get caught up in the intensity of the game that they get carried away in the heat of the moment.
There are those who are just plain unlucky and have a situation misread by the referee.
Finally, there are those who can be set up an opponent or be provoked beyond belief in a niggling and sneaky way, over a prolonged period during the match. There was a classic example of that in a match in this year's championship which only came to light because of the intervention of a linesman but it hadn't been seen by the referee.

dungeon · 20-08-2009 01:41AM

Back to the point, let's hope for a good, clean game on Sunday.

Lemlin · 20-08-2009 08:01AM

blackbelt wrote: »

Where have I "gone out of my way" to put Cavan down?
Yes I do believe Cavan are a poor side.That is were the negativity starts and ends as far as I am concerned in relation to the Cavan team.
As I have done.Cavan is merely a subset of teams that an average 2008 Kildare team squeezed past.That is hardly central to this thread or relevent for Sunday's game.BTW,that is not another dig at Cavan.I am just stating the facts.:)

On any thread where Cavan are mentioned, you jump in with something negative. You even hijacked the Cavan Antrim thread earlier in the year to try and point out how Cavan havepoor support in your opinion. An opinion which was actually hugely incorrect and misinformed. As I've said before, even pundits like Colm O'Rourke point out how well supported Cavan are and how the fans come back year after year despite the drivel they have to watch on the pitch.

Yes, Cavan are a bad side but I find it funny that you try to point it out at every possible opportunity. Go back over your posts where you have spoken about Cavan. Even as far back as 2005 you tried to label Cavan a dirty team due to one challenge by Paul Brady, who is far from dirty.

Anyway, this is a Cork Tyrone thread.

Lemlin · 20-08-2009 08:12AM

blackbelt wrote: »

I would say "regularly descend into violence" is a OTT.I don't think the Munster Final of 2008 was as bad as made out.Marc O Se and Darragh O Se were sent off very harshly.Ok the Marc O Se incident wasn't as clear cut but Darragh O Se was sent off for soft reasons.Meanwhile Nicholas Murphy caught Scanlon very high.Out of the 3 sending offs,only Nicholas Murphy was clear cut and fair sending off.Marc O Se incident on tv replay wasn't as bad but you could hardly blame the ref as it happened so fast and Darraghs sending off was really soft.I would not say that game descended into violence.

Some games have descended into handbags and skullduggery eg O Mahoney hitting the deck as if shot but I think "violence" is OTT.

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Yes same thing but club games don't get the national coverage intercounty games do.People will remember that terrible violent game between Monaghan and Derry,the handbags,the punches and the knees.They will also remember the classic game they played a few weeks later.

Some Ulster games can be hard to watch.Armagh v Monaghan was another game I don't care to remember.It just never got going as a footballing contest.All it was was players fouling each other and conceding frees.More a case of who could beat themselves rather than who could win the game.

The propensity of games that are dirty or riddled with gamesmanship is something which Ulster people have to admit is a problem.In 2005 we had Tyrone and Armagh and Canavan getting sent off after 30 seconds among other players.This year we had Derry v Monaghan and Monaghan v Armagh.

And what are "handbags and skullduggery" only violence. And why exactly would the Ulster people have to admit there is a problem? You've pointed out two games in three years. Every province has games which are dirty, as I've pointed out.

The Armagh Monaghan game this year wasn't dirty. It just wasn't a good game of football. Partly because the referee blew the whistle every two seconds but the two teams can't be blamed for that. It was also scrappy because it was a tight game. That can happen anywhere.

What about the Dublin Meath league game of recent times? Where several players were banned after the game. Or the Dublin Tyrone game? Where, again, several players were banned after the game. I'm sure I'll be lambasted now for pointing out Dublin games by the blue brigade but those are games that spring to mind. Dublin were the common denominator there though. Not an Ulster side.

The problem with Ulster is that games are tight because there is a large amount of good teams down here. Teams have to lift their game from the start. Down in Connacht, Mayo and Galway only have to lift themselves for one game. Cork and Kerry are the same in Munster and Dublin and Kildare pretty much walzted through Leinster this year. Its not like Dublin had to worry about putting in hard challenges against Westmeath, is it?

In Ulster games are naturally quite scrappy because they are so tight. Dublin, Kerry and Cork have all had more players sent off than Tyrone this year though. Yet we're still told about this mythical problem in Ulster by the media and so many people are willing to swallow it hook, line and sinker because it allows them to have an excuse for why Ulster teams like Tyrone and Armagh have beaten their sides in recent years.

Spillane is the classic example. I like the man but every time Tyrone beat Kerry he brings up "puke football" again.

That's my part said. Back to the Cork Tyrone discussion and game this Sunday. I came here to defend one comment a user made, IMO unfairly about Tyrone, Orizio then jumped in, even though he agreed with my comment about agression, and now the whole thread is being pulled from the game to an Ulster debate that is actually banned by the charter as far as I'm aware.

blackbelt · 20-08-2009 09:27AM

Lemlin wrote: »

On any thread where Cavan are mentioned, you jump in with something negative. You even hijacked the Cavan Antrim thread earlier in the year to try and point out how Cavan havepoor support in your opinion. An opinion which was actually hugely incorrect and misinformed. As I've said before, even pundits like Colm O'Rourke point out how well supported Cavan are and how the fans come back year after year despite the drivel they have to watch on the pitch.

Yes, Cavan are a bad side but I find it funny that you try to point it out at every possible opportunity. Go back over your posts where you have spoken about Cavan. Even as far back as 2005 you tried to label Cavan a dirty team due to one challenge by Paul Brady, who is far from dirty.

Anyway, this is a Cork Tyrone thread.

Unless I missed it or didn't read it,I only mentioned Cavan as they were beaten by Kildare last year and Kildare have played Cork and Tyrone.Just highlighting the difference in a team both teams beat.I'm not going out of my way to take a shot at Cavan.

Yes it is a Cork v Tyrone thread which I was discussing until you posted about me having a go at Cavan.Mod hat on,back on topic.

Lemlin · 20-08-2009 09:48AM

blackbelt wrote: »

Unless I missed it or didn't read it,I only mentioned Cavan as they were beaten by Kildare last year and Kildare have played Cork and Tyrone.Just highlighting the difference in a team both teams beat.I'm not going out of my way to take a shot at Cavan.

Yes it is a Cork v Tyrone thread which I was discussing until you posted about me having a go at Cavan.Mod hat on,back on topic.

So you're managing to go from Cork and Tyrone back through Kildare to Cavan? Nah, you're not needlessly bringing up Cavan and labelling them "bad" at all

And what of all the other poor teams that Kildare beat last year. How come none of them came up?

I have no problem with people labelling Cavan poor. Cavan are useless. I just find it funny that you continually go out of your way to bring up Cavan in a negative light or make negative comments about them. I've already given a number of examples and could keep going. Yet I don't see you bringing up other poor teams like Fermanagh or Longford on here, so why Cavan?

Nice to see you continue on the power trip about being a mod. That's a comment that is needlessly dropped in there too.

Orizio also asked about sendings off in Cork/Kerry games. Last year there were 5 sendings off in Cork/Kerry games in the Championship.

Daragh O'Se, Marc O'Se and Nicholas Murphy in Munster final.
O'SE and Donnacha O'Connor in All-Ireland semi final.

This year that was followed up by another two.

Noel O'Leary and Paul Galvin.

That's seven sendings off in four games between the two over the two years. An average of nearly two sendings off a game. I've yet to see any Ulster teams manage that many between them.

dhorgan3 · 20-08-2009 10:07AM

Lads...cop on! This thread I assummed was about the match on sunday...not about a debate between ulster football and munster football. Same old crap on here.:mad:

Lemlin · 20-08-2009 10:10AM

dhorgan3 wrote: »

Lads...cop on! This thread I assummed was about the match on sunday...not about a debate between ulster football and munster football. Same old crap on here.:mad:

Exactly. I still think Tyrone will win but it'll be tight. This is the game I think should be the All-Ireland final as its the two best teams in the country.

Tyrone will shade it because they are a better footballing side. I think we will see alot of aggression though from both sides. There'll be alot of hard tackles at the start especially but Cork are pretty much untested against the bigger Ulster teams in recent years.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cork won but I'm still hugely surprised that they are the favourites on here (according to the poll anyway).

blackbelt · 20-08-2009 10:15AM

Lemlin wrote: »

So you're managing to go from Cork and Tyrone back through Kildare to Cavan? Nah, you're not needlessly bringing up Cavan and labelling them "bad" at all And what of all the other poor teams that Kildare beat last year. How come none of them came up?

I have no problem with people labelling Cavan poor. Cavan are useless. I just find it funny that you continually go out of your way to bring up Cavan in a negative light or make negative comments about them. I've already given a number of examples and could keep going. Yet I don't see you bringing up other poor teams like Fermanagh or Longford on here, so why Cavan?

Nice to see you continue on the power trip about being a mod. That's a comment that is needlessly dropped in there too.

Orizio also asked about sendings off in Cork/Kerry games. Last year there were 5 sendings off in Cork/Kerry games in the Championship.

Daragh O'Se, Marc O'Se and Nicholas Murphy in Munster final.
O'SE and Donnacha O'Connor in All-Ireland semi final.

This year that was followed up by another two.

Noel O'Leary and Paul Galvin.

That's seven sendings off in four games between the two over the two years. An average of nearly two sendings off a game. I've yet to see any Ulster teams manage that many between them.

I mentioned Limerick too,get over it.You've came on this forum and discussed Dublin to death in the past and then accuse the "Dublin brigade" of over-reacting when something slightly negative is said.Yet when I mention Cavan to highlight the progress Kildare made in the last year as a measure of Tyrone and Cork,you go on the defensive and start dragging the thread off topic.

Anything for a debate Lemlin.;) Just doing my job as mod which I will again do by asking you to get back on topic i.e Cork v Tyrone and not Kerry-Cork/Ulster.

If you want,I can create a thread where you can debate with Orizio and anybody else on the above points that you've raised.

blackbelt · 20-08-2009 10:25AM

Lemlin wrote: »

Exactly. I still think Tyrone will win but it'll be tight. This is the game I think should be the All-Ireland final as its the two best teams in the country.

Tyrone will shade it because they are a better footballing side. I think we will see alot of aggression though from both sides. There'll be alot of hard tackles at the start especially but Cork are pretty much untested against the bigger Ulster teams in recent years.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cork won but I'm still hugely surprised that they are the favourites on here (according to the poll anyway).

Still think the first 20 minutes are the most crucial.If Cork get a foothold in the game and get a 4 or 5 point margin on Tyrone,I'll back them to come away with the win.We saw how Kildare did this but couldn't get away from Tyrone but Cork aren't as soft as Kildare so Tyrone will need to keep it within an assailable margin.

Cork in my mind are on a par with Tyrone with being mentally tough enough to sustain leads which will make it interesting.If the lead Cork get is 3 points or less,it is still very much game on.If Tyrone get a 4 or 5 point lead,I'd back Tyrone.Tyrone are less likely to drop their guard for a 10-15 minute spell like Kerry would.We've seen Cork come back at Kerry from 8 points in arrears to win the game but Tyrone are different.I have never seen Tyrone implode after building up a good lead and I suspect that they won't if they pull away from Cork.

Lemlin · 20-08-2009 10:41AM

blackbelt wrote: »

I mentioned Limerick too,get over it.You've came on this forum and discussed Dublin to death in the past and then accuse the "Dublin brigade" of over-reacting when something slightly negative is said.Yet when I mention Cavan to highlight the progress Kildare made in the last year as a measure of Tyrone and Cork,you go on the defensive and start dragging the thread off topic.

Anything for a debate Lemlin.;) Just doing my job as mod which I will again do by asking you to get back on topic i.e Cork v Tyrone and not Kerry-Cork/Ulster.

If you want,I can create a thread where you can debate with Orizio and anybody else on the above points that you've raised.

You mentioned LImerick as average. It was only Cavan you pointed too as bad. And, like I said, go back to any post where you have spoken about Cavan and you always manage to make it negative. You know exactly what I'm talking about so I'll leave it at that.

For the record also, I didn't drag the topic off thread. Someone made a comment about Tyrone. I countered back and Orizio then jumped in. Even though he actually agrees with what I said about all teams being aggressive.

emergingstar · 20-08-2009 11:42AM

really looking forward to this game the weekend, can see a tight close game but reckon tyrone will have too much in the end

Guisseppeth · 20-08-2009 11:47AM

From the Irish News earlier this week

http://www.irishnews.com/articles/597/5764/2009/8/18/625248_390935060505WatchTyro.html

Cork V Tyrone

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