Would you get the swine flu vaccine

uprising · 17-08-2009 03:42PM

drkpower wrote: »

1. A "cell line" is not "flesh".
2. My lungs are "able to support the growth" of a sh!t load of bugs; thankfully, my lungs are not "diseased".

You did say that the diseased flesh of African Green Monkeys is being used. Care to reconsider?

That is patently incorrect. And I can read. And I can understand too; that is where mine and your abilities depart from one another.

Ok but what about greece, you seem to have by-passed that.

fifth · 17-08-2009 03:42PM

We can't now.. Cos I heard the fordiners, dey tuk all our jabs..

phantom_lord · 17-08-2009 03:43PM

if there is so many facts supporting what you say, why is it that it's only crazies that are so concerned? while governments and health officials are ordering millions of doses?

Pygmalion · 17-08-2009 03:47PM

phantom_lord wrote: »

if there is so many facts supporting what you say, why is it that it's only crazies that are so concerned? while governments and health officials are ordering millions of doses?

Don't you get it?
The people who hang around online talking about conspiracy theories and how evil modern medicine is are the only sane people left!
It is the rest of us, with our fancy education, that are the truly insane.

drkpower · 17-08-2009 03:50PM

uprising wrote: »

ATHENS (Reuters) - Greece will vaccinate its entire population of 12 million against the H1N1 swine flu pandemic which has swept around the world in weeks, killing hundreds of people, the country's health minister said on Friday.

drkpower, what part of Greece WILL vaccinate it's ENTIRE POPULATION of 12 million do you not understand?
now to show you for the ignoramus you are. Maybe you cant read or are just slow, look below, see the red highlighted writing, does this in your little mind read "would you like some swine flu vaccine?, you can have some if you like" or does it make it mandatory, without using the "word" mandatory.

"We decided that the entire population, all citizens and residents, without any exception, will be vaccinated against the flu," Health Minister Dimitris Avramopoulos said after a ministerial meeting.

Smartasses are supposed to be smart to begin with, you failed miserably.

Im afraid, Greece are not currently planning to force its citizens to undergo forced vaccination.

All you have found is one isolated quote from the Greek Health Minister which states that all citizens are to be vaccinated. It is simply an out of context quote. What he meant was that there are to be no exceptions to the vaccine policy, no groups who will not be considered.

If mandatory forced vaccination has been decided by the Greek government, show me the press release on their website stating this; show me the plans that have been formulated to detain and forcibly vaccinate Greek citizens. Show me any article that refers to mandatory or forced vaccination. If this has been actuallly decided, as you say, that should be very very easy to find.

An isolated out-of-context quote wont do it. It might do it over in crazyville (CT), but not when you are discussing issues with sane people.

drkpower · 17-08-2009 03:51PM

uprising wrote: »

Ok but what about greece, you seem to have by-passed that.

Can I take it from that that you are withdrawing your assertion that the diseased flesh of monkeys are being used in vaccines?

See below re Greece.

Long Onion · 17-08-2009 03:51PM

uprising wrote: »

Check out the facts, what I posted has nothing to do with aliens or ufo's, thats how your confused mind reads it, I'm stating facts that I can back up.
Instead of trying to be another smartass, your not, just an ass, PROVE ME WRONG, don't bullsh1t about aliens, motherships and such, simply prove me wrong.
I'll be waiting......

Sorry if I came across as being a smartass. I have now actually checked out the facts on NWO.com and can see what a blind fool I have been. Unfortunately, it was too late and I had already taken the jab ...

Obama is the devil, the motherships are coming, Ritchie Kavanagh and Big Tom will save us from the hellfire and brimstone -

RUN Run for the hills I tell you for the beast will show no mercy ...

uprising · 17-08-2009 03:57PM

phantom_lord wrote: »

if there is so many facts supporting what you say, why is it that it's only crazies that are so concerned? while governments and health officials are ordering millions of doses?

Your guess is as good as mine,
Are these the crazies you speak of?
http://www.hpa.org.uk/

Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America

By Jo Macfarlane
Last updated at 11:05 PM on 15th August 2009

Prevention: Is the swine flu jab safe?

A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.
The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html#ixzz0ONE2BjPO

uprising · 17-08-2009 04:01PM

Long Onion wrote: »

Sorry if I came across as being a smartass. I have now actually checked out the facts on NWO.com and can see what a blind fool I have been. Unfortunately, it was too late and I had already taken the jab ...

Obama is the devil, the motherships are coming, Ritchie Kavanagh and Big Tom will save us from the hellfire and brimstone -

RUN Run for the hills I tell you for the beast will show no mercy ...

Thanks for that post, I even thanked it, saves me having to call you something i'd be banned for, you prove my point without me needing to call you a complete and utter ******.

phantom_lord · 17-08-2009 04:08PM

uprising wrote: »

Your guess is as good as mine,
Are these the crazies you speak of?
http://www.hpa.org.uk/

Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America

By Jo Macfarlane
Last updated at 11:05 PM on 15th August 2009

Prevention: Is the swine flu jab safe?

A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.
The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html#ixzz0ONE2BjPO

ah the daily mail, the #1 source of credible news stories. anyway, a leaked letter, containing possible concerns? is that it?

Redzer7 · 17-08-2009 04:42PM

Nah Fcuk That, The Effort :cool:.

Long Onion · 17-08-2009 04:49PM

uprising wrote: »

kidney of an African Green Monkey

This is similar to the Norwegian Blue Parrot methinks

phantom_lord · 17-08-2009 05:11PM

uprising wrote: »

Thanks for that post, I even thanked it, saves me having to call you something i'd be banned for, you prove my point without me needing to call you a complete and utter ******.

uprising, it may seem like people are being a bit harsh but you seem like one of those wacko losers conspiracy theorists who use faulty logic and ignore evidence to make the things fit their messed up views just so they can feel less like losers, that's fine usually, but here you have the potential to cause serious harm by putting off easily persuaded people from getting the vaccine. stick to your 911 theories or something.

bleg · 17-08-2009 05:15PM

uprising wrote: »

You my friend are not capable of reading, I'll highlight

(i) producing said virus using a cell line isolated from the kidney of an African Green Monkey, which cell line is substantially free of viable adventitious microbial agents and is able to support the growth of rotaviruses, astroviruses, enteroviruses, polioviruses, respiratory viruses, and hepatitis A viruses,

Which of these viruses would you like in your tea?

Just because you use bold and red doesn't make your points any more valid. Kind of makes you look crazy.

Anyway cell lines are used quite regularly even in Ireland, for the production of pharmaceuticals. The cell lines (Master cell banks and working cell banks) are derived from many different organisms (plants, fungi, mammals and of course bacteria) and of course are subject to adventitious organisms. At each stage of the production there is vigorous testing for such organisms and if the process is compromised the batch is abandoned. Such a compromise can cost a company millions or even billions of dollars and are therefore strenuously avoided. The checks and balances are beyond anal but this is completely necessary to avoid danger to patients and avoid loss of revenue.

It's the quacks who'll sell you a placebo, claim it's better than scientifically proven medication and charge you a fortune that are the people trying to keep you misinformed.

Homeopathy, crystal healing, most of the herbal stuff, it's all 100% bull****. The sooner people realise it the better.

Alessandra · 17-08-2009 05:19PM

Over dosing on medicine is lowering our natural immune system. Like the normal flu jab it should be reserved for the elderly and those with poor immune systems.

bleg · 17-08-2009 05:22PM

Alessandra wrote: »

Over dosing on medicine is lowering our natural immune system.

This makes absolutely no sense.

Alessandra wrote: »

Like the normal flu jab it should be reserved for the elderly and those with poor immune systems.

Plenty of younger immuno competent people get the annual flu jab.

sink · 17-08-2009 05:40PM

Saying a vaccination lowers the immune system is a contradiction in terms. A vaccination triggers an immune response, creating anti-bodies capable of fighting a specific virus. It boost the immune system, anyone saying it does the opposite is clueless!

uprising · 17-08-2009 05:45PM

new jersey mandating flu vaccine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrml6ka_4e4

canadian concerns about mercury in vaccines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IjJufWVHjU&NR=1

My name is URL · 17-08-2009 05:47PM

Haven't the manufacturers of the vaccine been granted legal immunity should anything go wrong with it?

Not a great selling point imo

dr.bollocko · 17-08-2009 06:05PM

Well I've read through what I could read through before my head start hurting and all I see here is more fodder for the conspiracy theorists so we'll be leaving it at that.

Would you get the swine flu vaccine

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