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Attitudes to Porn... Mod Warning Post 719

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  • #62
    shellyboo
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    hippiechickie wrote: »
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    Some women get off on being used... but that's really another discussion for another forum.


    hippiechickie wrote: »
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    That's because men are the main consumers of porn and porn is therefore aimed at them.

    Have to say though, the lack of female orgasm in porn has always baffled me... I mean, any guy I've ever been with has been aroused by the idea/act/sound of a women climaxing, in fact it's pretty much their aim... so I'm not sure why there isn't more of it.

    hippiechickie wrote: »
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    Ever heard of Anna Span? She makes porn for women. It is out there, but it's niche, so it's much harder to find.


  • #63
    d'Oracle
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    shellyboo wrote: »

    Have to say though, the lack of female orgasm in porn has always baffled me... I mean, any guy I've ever been with has been aroused by the idea/act/sound of a women climaxing, in fact it's pretty much their aim... so I'm not sure why there isn't more of it.

    You aren't watching the right porn then.


  • #64
    shellyboo
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    d'Oracle wrote: »
    You aren't watching the right porn then.


    Links pls :pac:

    Now, I'd watch a good bit of porn, mostly amateur stuff, and there's not much female orgasming happening at all at all. Or else maybe they're just very quiet about it, I dunno.


  • #65
    JC 2K3
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    With the internet, I never really know what's mainstream porn and what's not.

    There does exist that porn where women are essentially being used as toys and their pleasure is not the focus, but is that necessarily the most prevalent? It's most certainly not 98% of porn.


  • #66
    hippiechickie
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  • #67
    Latchy
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    hippiechickie wrote: »
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    What about girl on girl, Lesbian porn ? Besides Lesbians hetrosexual men and womon might view and find it a turn on / Erotic ?


  • #68
    ztoical
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    neuro-praxis wrote: »
    Das Kitty, erotic fiction is utterly different because, as the name implies, the characters involved are fictitious. This puts it in the category not of pornography but erotica.


    I don't agree, people seem to think if something is a painting or illustration or writing then it's erotica and if it's film it must porn....why cus there are people involved in making a film but not a painting? The artist/writer/creator has to come up with the idea, they have to think about the act and create it with words or images, while some might see a difference, I don't see a difference between that and actors being paid to play characters.

    I would class books like what mills and boon put out as erotica but there are books that are porn, plain and simple. Erotica implies high art aspirations which not all paintings/comics/illustrations/photos/writings etc would fall under. I mentioned yaoi comics earlier which are comics made by women for women mainly featuring two guys, they are porn, not ifs or puts. There are softer versions that fall under the shonen-ai heading that would be erotica.


  • #69
    shellyboo
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    Latchy wrote: »
    What about girl on girl, Lesbian porn ? Besides Lesbians hetrosexual men and womon might view and find it a turn on / Erotic ?


    Most girl-on-girl porn is also aimed at men. Believe me, there is nothing sexy about the way the girls in classic girl-on-girl porn play with eachother... it's so unbelievably fake looking. All that delicate lapping at genitals... give me a break :rolleyes:

    Not to mention they all have giant fake talons. Perhaps *proper* lesbian porn with real gay women in it is different... but the vast majority of girl-on-girl porn I've seen is aimed at men. And it's not sexy in the least, it's far too fake looking.


  • #70
    ztoical
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    Latchy wrote: »
    What about girl on girl, Lesbian porn ? Besides Lesbians hetrosexual men and womon might view and find it a turn on / Erotic ?

    No, the girl on girl stuff on most porn is done by straight men for straight men. Any lesbians I know don't find it a turn on at all. There are actually lesbian porns out there that differ greatly from straight girl on girl porn. Recently there are more and more women taking over behind the camera on porn films so there might be shift in focus for traditional straight porn.

    There is a whole area of comic work that is porn written by women for women, they tend to feature male on male relationships but just like the girl on girl relationships do nothing lesbians, these comics do nothing for gay men as they feature gay relationships like how a woman imagines them and not how gay men what them.


  • #71
    Latchy
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    shellyboo wrote: »
    Most girl-on-girl porn is also aimed at men. Believe me, there is nothing sexy about the way the girls in classic girl-on-girl porn play with eachother... it's so unbelievably fake looking. All that delicate lapping at genitals... give me a break :rolleyes: Not to mention they all have giant fake talons. Perhaps *proper* lesbian porn with real gay women in it is different... but the vast majority of girl-on-girl porn I've seen is aimed at men. And it's not sexy in the least, it's far too fake looking
    When you say ' believe me ' it sounds like you have a greater insight as to how porn stars behave .Well I dont know what porn your viewing but some of the girl on girl action stuff I have seen was very well performed by both females ,even if they were acting .I think the average porn viewer knows it's fake and their is a lot of crap out there to but if it allows him/her to indulge their fantasys ,get them aroused ,then it works


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  • #72
    shellyboo
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    Latchy wrote: »
    When you say ' believe me ' it sounds like you have a greater insight as to how porn stars behave .Well I dont know what porn your viewing but some of the girl on girl action stuff I have seen was very well performed by both females ,even if they were acting .I think the average porn viewer knows it's fake and their is a lot of crap out there to but if it allows him/her to indulge their fantasys ,get them aroused ,then it works


    No, as a woman I meant... I don't find girl-on-girl porn to be arousing. What they're doing to eachother would not be pleasurable to me, as a woman with woman parts, is what I mean.


  • #73
    hippiechickie
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  • #74
    JC 2K3
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    hippiechickie wrote: »
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    We do? :S


  • #75
    hippiechickie
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  • #76
    Latchy
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    shellyboo wrote: »
    No, as a woman I meant... I don't find girl-on-girl porn to be arousing. What they're doing to eachother would not be pleasurable to me, as a woman with woman parts, is what I mean.
    Right am with ya , it's just lots of men find girl on girl action as much a turn on as man on womon , or 5 men on one womon . But as you say , neither scenarios would be a turn on for many women .


  • #77
    rainbow kirby
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    shellyboo wrote: »
    Not to mention they all have giant fake talons.
    Every time I see huge fake nails in lesbian porn I have to turn it off. It's just wrong.


  • #78
    ztoical
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    Latchy wrote: »
    Well I dont know what porn your viewing but some of the girl on girl action stuff I have seen was very well performed by both females ,even if they were acting

    It might well have been but it should be stressed that it is girl on girl and not lesbian as many people like to call it. Having seen both girl on girl and lesbian porn I can tell you there is a massive difference in what straight men and women want to see porn wise and what gay women want to see. Same goes for gay men, I watched one gay porn with gay male friend and found it very off putting and in no way a turn on yet I've shelves full of yaoi manga and anime that show guy on guy relationships but they are written by straight women not gay men.


  • #79
    Maddison
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    I am a bit partial to watching a bit of porn, I think its good for ideas to bring into the bedroom.Of course there are some types of porn that wouldnt interest me at all and can be quite revolting which I have stumbled across in error. If I caught my OH watching it I wouldnt be offended but would give him reason to look away;)


  • #80
    shellyboo
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    Latchy wrote: »
    Right am with ya , it's just lots of men find girl on girl action as much a turn on as man on womon , or 5 men on one womon . But as you say , neither scenarios would be a turn on for many women .

    That's exactly what I mean... "girl on girl" porn is aimed AT men. It's not sexy for women, because the women involved aren't actually gay (usually) and are almost playing at giving eachother pleasure... I can see myself the way they touch eachother would not feel good to me if touched in the same way.


    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    Every time I see huge fake nails in lesbian porn I have to turn it off. It's just wrong.


    It makes me clench. In a bad way. :pac:


  • #81
    Otis Driftwood
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    hippiechickie wrote: »
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    Im a bit confused by this statement.

    How can you possibly saying that you have never seen an actual female orgasm on screen?

    Do you mean that the focus of the scene is not the female's enjoyment,just the usual robotic 3 or 4 positions followed by the money shot?

    Or that none of the female performers have ever orgasmed on screen?

    If you mean the former,then I get what you mean,but if you mean the latter then Im confused.How do you know none of them have?


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  • #82
    Latchy
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    ztoical wrote: »
    It might well have been but it should be stressed that it is girl on girl and not lesbian as many people like to call it. Having seen both girl on girl and lesbian porn I can tell you there is a massive difference in what straight men and women want to see porn wise and what gay women want to see. Same goes for gay men, I watched one gay porn with gay male friend and found it very off putting and in no way a turn on yet I've shelves full of yaoi manga and anime that show guy on guy relationships but they are written by straight women not gay men.
    I do understand that girl on girl is not the same as lesbian and just as womon on womon ,man on womon might turn me on , gay on gay would not be of any intrest / turn on to me .But that's just my choice and each to their own

    shellyboo wrote: »
    That's exactly what I mean... "girl on girl" porn is aimed AT men. It's not sexy for women, because the women involved aren't actually gay (usually) and are almost playing at giving eachother pleasure... I can see myself the way they touch eachother would not feel good to me if touched in the same way.
    Yes and the turn on for many men is that they imagine the girls to be really giving and enjoying the pleasure which will involve the male viewer using his imagination as much as the participants of course .


  • #83
    rantyface
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    I don't like it and I wouldn't go for someone who was into it. Firstly, it's seedy, and secondly it'd make me feel inadequate and ugly and fat, although I know I'm not.

    It's not immoral though. There are a lot of lonely and frustrated people out there who rely on it.


  • #84
    forging_madi
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    definitely porn can be addicting, i think i was anyway. only during stages when i'm not going out much or not scoring, watch loads of porn, get really into it tbh, always on the mind, that imprinted on the brain stuff sounds about right.

    it's just so easy to access these days, you'd have a new favourite girl every day. then when i am going out and scoring and on a good run, the idea of porn does nothing for me. i might stick it on out of boredom and turn it off cos it was doing nothing for me. this is obviously a better way to be living so actually trying to cut it out completely cos once i watch a bit i'll prob **** 6 or 7 times that day. it's instant gratification as opposed to going to the gym to keep in shape, going for pints and chancing women and going on dates which is much more satisfying in the long run. and not even scoring women, when i'm not in my 'porn phase' i'd be chancing way more women in clubs just flirting away, making them laugh and it's great fun, make's it feel good to be alive.

    i don't think i've an addictive personality in relation to anything like drink, drugs, gambling but i definitely was addicted to porn and can't seem to watch it in moderation so cold turkey is only option.


  • #85
    shellyboo
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    Latchy wrote: »
    I do understand that girl on girl is not the same as lesbian and just as womon on womon ,man on womon might turn me on , gay on gay would not be of any intrest / turn on to me .But that's just my choice and each to their own


    "Gay" is not a gender, or even a noun. "Gay" is a sexual orientation. I think you mean boy-on-boy - because of course a porno with two gay people in it could mean two gay men or two gay women. So "gay on gay" (horrible term) could be men or women.


    Watching two women would turn me on if what they were doing was pleasurable... but most times it's not. It would be like a guy watching a girl give a really terrible blow job. It's just not arousing unless you know it would feel nice.


  • #86
    ztoical
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    rantyface wrote: »
    Firstly, it's seedy, and secondly it'd make me feel inadequate and ugly and fat, although I know I'm not.

    It's only seedy here because we make it something seedy, hidden away in shops you usually have to walk down steps to get into. Yet I got porn in a gas station in spain and in Japan you'll find in your face in every shop you go into. Now I'm saying they have the right attitude, god knows I have issues with the treatment of women in some areas in Japan but there needs to be a healthy balance between treating both genders the same and not being ashamed of sex. The one friend I have who is super anti porn is the same friend who got drunk, flashed a bunch of guys in a club and then had sex with one behind a dumpster outside the club - seriously, WTF?

    Heres a link to a great comic featuring porn by an amazing female artist     - it's def NSW but it's a great comic with a healthy attitude to sex with a bit of humor thrown cus honestly if you can't laugh about it, whats the point?


  • #87
    Latchy
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    shellyboo wrote: »
    "Gay" is not a gender, or even a noun. "Gay" is a sexual orientation. I think you mean boy-on-boy - because of course a porno with two gay people in it could mean two gay men or two gay women. So "gay on gay" (horrible term) could be men or women.
    Yes not to split hairs but man on man , boy on boy will fall into the realm of 'Gay ' for some people .Even if you assume two girls going at it are lesbians (and they are not ) doesn't really matter

    Watching two women would turn me on if what they were doing was pleasurable... but most times it's not. It would be like a guy watching a girl give a really terrible blow job. It's just not arousing unless you know it would feel nice.
    I agree yea and I suppose if it's all rushed with fake moans and graons then it's not worth watching.Good blow jobs are all about getting the highest arousal before cumming .The appearence of the actors ie, clothed / naked can either add or take away from the performance to , like semi clothed womon /fully clothed womon performing a sex act is very arousing to many .


  • #88
    shellyboo
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    Latchy wrote: »
    Yes not to split hairs but man on man , boy on boy will fall into the realm of 'Gay ' for some people .Even if you assume two girls going at it are lesbians (and they are not ) doesn't really matter


    Man on man = gay

    but

    Gay =/= man on man.

    Gay can mean either man on man or woman on woman. The way you said it was pretty offensive, "gay on gay". There's no such thing as "a gay". You wouldn't say "straight on straight". That was my point... your terminology was bad.


  • #89
    ztoical
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    Latchy wrote: »
    Yes not to split hairs but man on man , boy on boy will fall into the realm of 'Gay ' for some people .Even if you assume two girls going at it are lesbians (and they are not ) doesn't really matter

    Eh? If two gay women are having sex then it's gay sex. Yes all the girl on girl stuff is not gay, they aren't gay and it's being made for straight men but there are lesbian production companies out there making gay porn for gay women therefore some girl on girl stuff is gay. Man on man does not equal gay just like girl on girl does not mean gay, there is man on man stuff out there aimed at straight women that isn't gay.


  • #90
    Latchy
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    shellyboo wrote: »
    Man on man = gay

    but

    Gay =/= man on man.

    Gay can mean either man on man or woman on woman. The way you said it was pretty offensive, "gay on gay". There's no such thing as "a gay". You wouldn't say "straight on straight". That was my point... your terminology was bad.
    Fair enough , bad termonology but I am not getting into a '' have I offended gays or anybody debate ''
    ztoical wrote: »
    Eh? If two gay women are having sex then it's gay sex. Yes all the girl on girl stuff is not gay, they aren't gay and it's being made for straight men but there are lesbian production companies out there making gay porn for gay women therefore some girl on girl stuff is gay. Man on man does not equal gay just like girl on girl does not mean gay, there is man on man stuff out there aimed at straight women that isn't gay.
    Which proves my point ,two girls going at it dont have to Gay /Lesbian ...call it what you like ,it's the performance that counts and as as a straight man I tend to go for what i know and suits me best t


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  • #91
    Kimia
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    nedtheshed wrote: »
    Im a bit confused by this statement.

    How can you possibly saying that you have never seen an actual female orgasm on screen?

    Do you mean that the focus of the scene is not the female's enjoyment,just the usual robotic 3 or 4 positions followed by the money shot?

    Or that none of the female performers have ever orgasmed on screen?

    If you mean the former,then I get what you mean,but if you mean the latter then Im confused.How do you know none of them have?

    I totally 100% agree with Hippie Chick - that's what I hate about it too! And Ned I think what she means (what I took it to mean as a woman) is that it looks so FAKE that we just can't in all honesty believe that the woman is enjoying it because if it were me that's not how I am or act when I enjoy sex. I mean come on - who yells YES F*CK ME NOW BAD BOY or whatever at the top of their lungs when they come?? (No offense to those who do!)

    I mean fair enough if that's what you're into, but for me this is a major turn off and I think that's where Hippie Chick is coming from too. It feels totally for the benefit of the man, and the woman is just some 'empty vessel' :p that the man is using to get him and the viewers off.

    It's like what Shelly (I think) said - it's like a guy watching a bad bj, you cringe inside coz it looks SO unenjoyable. And then your mind boggles that men think that you would enjoy it! Although in fairness any man worth his salt knows that it's all fake too.


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