Habitual Cannabis/coke users

MIN2511 · 29-07-2009 11:02AM

Never really thought about this... Hmm, i have never bought but if i am in a party and there's one around i sure wouldn't say no.
Now i feel very bad!!

I guess it's back to the legal highs for me..

anonymous_joe · 29-07-2009 11:12AM

MIN2511 wrote: »

Never really thought about this... Hmm, i have never bought but if i am in a party and there's one around i sure wouldn't say no.
Now i feel very bad!!

I guess it's back to the legal highs for me..

They're made out of powdered puppies.

stovelid · 29-07-2009 11:14AM

I see.

So using any consumer item that people violently vie which each other to trade or smuggle, or of which the trade/construction/import/sale has a (indirect or direct) negative effect on others is morally wrong?

Quint · 29-07-2009 11:23AM

Grow your own weed or get it from a mate that grows it. Problem solved:D

Also, if you feel strongly about people being effected negatively by the production of products you use, you would probably be walking around naked, eating food you grew yourself. I'm not saying it's right that sweat shops are used for so many clothes, but my nike are cool, so i'm willing to turn a blind eye

29-07-2009 11:27AM

as has been said before, we could really attach this logic to many products.. diamonds etc. at the end of the day, most people don't care. i don't care, not for any particular reason, just because i've bigger things to feel guilty about.. the rapes and the murders mainly.

dearg lady · 29-07-2009 11:49AM

rockmongrel wrote: »

Well I'm of the opinion the government should have no say in whether I use narcotics, so if I'm funding a gang war, not my problem. Set up a system where I can get it legally or let others do the same.

The war on drugs has been lost, get over it.

+1 well put

My name is URL · 29-07-2009 11:58AM

Reminds me of an episode of The IT Crowd -

You wouldn't shoot a policeman and then steal his helmet

you wouldn't go to the toilet in the helmet and then return it to the policeman's grieving widow

and then steal it again!

Dragan · 29-07-2009 12:08PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

For those that like to smoke the odd spliff of hash/weed or the odd line of coke or whatever. Have you ever thought that you are part of Irelands drug problem and that your use of these substances funds the gangs the gangs that terrorise neighbourhoods in our cities? I often wonder when I see drugs related threads on this board, and the harsh punishments suggested by posters for the drug gangs, yet some of which have admitted to occasionally using their products.

Is it hypocritical for posters to recommend harsh sentences for drug barons, while it would appear that at least some of them use their drugs on at least a semi regular basis?

Do casual users have blood on their hands?

Yes.

But it washes off real easy mate.:rolleyes:

Blazer · 29-07-2009 12:19PM

Personally I hope every cokehead in Ireland gets their house/car robbed or the sh1t beaten out of them by a junkie looking for money for their fix.
They deserve it..it's the one thing Michael O'Dowell got right when he said middle class( indeed any class) would want to cop the fcuk on and realise doing coke is helping the gangsters in this country.
Any comparisons with clothes/fcukin chocolate for christ's sake are bullsh1t.
I never heard of coca heads robbing people for their fixes.

Dragan · 29-07-2009 12:28PM

Sc@recrow wrote: »

Any comparisons with clothes/fcukin chocolate for christ's sake are bullsh1t.

Why?

Any further points to offer or are we to take your flat opinions as gospel truth?

Kirby · 29-07-2009 12:32PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

They're illegal because the people who make the rules had and have an unfounded moral opposition to them. While I agree that some drugs are harmful it's not their harmful nature that gets them banned - it's because the older generation always get flustered at the thought of kids getting high.

Then why is there a blanket ban and not an age limit? There is an age limit on drink and smoking. Clearly if what you said is true, there would be an age limit for weed? The older generation get flustered at kids getting pissed and thats still legal. Your logic doesn't stand up.

meditraitor · 29-07-2009 12:36PM

Dope and coke are different animals but the money does contribute to violent crime which is fueled by greedy little scumbags who want your business/money.

Legalising cannibis would not have a big effect on the crime related to illegal drug use, the real money is made from gear and coke which will never be legalised.

I dont smoke dope because I believe it to be harmful but if it was legalised and I seen it for sale in a local farmers market it wouldnt upset me.

Coke= badddddd
Dope=same as alcohol. why not have an option for the grunts who cant handle thier beer.

Pace2008 · 29-07-2009 12:42PM

Kirby wrote: »

Then why is there a blanket ban and not an age limit? There is an age limit on drink and smoking. Clearly if what you said is true, there would be an age limit for weed? The older generation get flustered at kids getting pissed and thats still legal. Your logic doesn't stand up.

Because drinking and smoking have been part of our culture for as long as anyone can remember. People accept it because it's the done thing; they think that the legality of a product is related to its safety. It's things that are new and alien that frighten them.

They deserve it..it's the one thing Michael O'Dowell got right when he said middle class( indeed any class) would want to cop the fcuk on and realise doing coke is helping the gangsters in this country.

I think it's time the government copped on themselves. After countless years of anti-drugs campaigns it's obvious that people aren't going to be told what they can and can't take and are going to continue to be naughty. Since people aren't going to change the pressure should be on the government to introduce new measures to curb the societal problems caused by drugs. The War on Drugs was lost from day one because free will exists.

Any comparisons with clothes/fcukin chocolate for christ's sake are bullsh1t.

Get your head out of the sand - they are all trades waist deep in blood, run by immoral/amoral opportunists. Or do you think that Willie Wonka and his Oompa Loompas make your Dairy Milks?

Dope=same as alcohol. why not have an option for the grunts who cant handle thier beer.

In what way are they same? They're both depressants but that's where the similarities end.

dearg lady · 29-07-2009 12:50PM

Kirby wrote: »

Then why is there a blanket ban and not an age limit? There is an age limit on drink and smoking. Clearly if what you said is true, there would be an age limit for weed? The older generation get flustered at kids getting pissed and thats still legal. Your logic doesn't stand up.

I'm sorry to repeat myself, I have posted this link on another thread before, but it seems relevant again!

According to this study, drug classifications are all wrong

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6474053.stm#drugs

Kirby · 29-07-2009 12:53PM

Part of the problem is hypocrisy. Smoking and Alcohol both damage you and are legal. I wouldn't classify Weed as any more dangerous.

But drink and smoke are legal. Whether or not they should be legal isn't relevent to the discussion. That battle is lost. That doesn't mean that similar drugs should be legalised because others of similar ilk are already. Weed is harmful. The pro camp refuse to acknowledge that fact and claim that its harmless which is rubbish. It's a mind altering drug and anybody who thinks it does no harm needs to take a good look at themselves.

Rented Mule · 29-07-2009 01:16PM

Fight the War on Gangs.

Grow your own.

Pace2008 · 29-07-2009 01:19PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

Fight the War on Gangs.

Grow your own.

Until I get a masters in organic chemistry and somehow secure a steady supply of safrole I'm going to have to keep buying my pills from shady sources.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 29-07-2009 01:27PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Have you ever thought that you are part of Irelands drug problem

I have thought about it.... but I feel that the government and their retarded, backward, conservative policies are to blame. Not me. If cannabis was decriminalised, or a one plant rule was introduced, wouldnt it go along way in the fight?

Considering that 70% of drug seizures in Irelands are cannabis, wouldnt this roughly translate to two thirds of illegal drugs in the country being cannabis. However, the policy on cannabis is for another thread, but ill end by saying as long as the government wont wake up to reality, let the drug dealers run riot.

Rented Mule · 29-07-2009 01:27PM

Pace2008 wrote: »

Until I get a masters in organic chemistry and somehow secure a steady supply of safrole I'm going to have to keep buying my pills from shady sources.

Well there you go .....free your mind ....and your ass will follow.

Good luck in University !!

Blazer · 29-07-2009 01:29PM

Dragan wrote: »

Why?

Any further points to offer or are we to take your flat opinions as gospel truth?

hmm...chocolate/clothes aren't illegal the latest I heard

And apart from mild addiction to chocolate they're harmless

Pace2008 · 29-07-2009 01:30PM

Way to completely miss the point.

oppenheimer1 · 29-07-2009 01:31PM

nice1franko wrote: »

The OP, in singling out drug users for being hypocritical in this respect is, in all probability, a hypocrite himself.

My hypocrisy or otherwise is irrelevent and not under discussion. I have never used narcotics, but thats neither here nor there.

The question I posed though is theat whether drug uers feel a sense of guilt when they buy. Its clear now many don't and try and justify it by pointing to other trades which are legal but have questionable morality. Most on the arguments here have a fallacy.

Incidentally I don't have a problem per se with the local hippy growing his own, however those people are in the minority and the legalisation of drugs isn't what this discussion was meant to be about. Most people buy, and the majority of this is imported by dangerous criminals.

For those that blame the government (an easy target, its always us vs them isn't it?), They are of the people, by the people and for the people. They are a direct reflection of our own society, if there was a popular movement for drugs legalisation, the government would be in favour. Its the way democracy works, but thats another thread.

jarhead20 · 29-07-2009 01:38PM

the police nor e.r.u can stop this,drugs will be here no matter what theres always someone big at the top of these criminals to make it happen,from experience its getting worse theres 10 times more drugs and different types coming in in the past decade,and worsening,just look at the headshops that sell the spice and pulse stuff its nearly alright to smoke canabis ,i gotten pulled over and theyv found a bag of weed and gave it back ,its the coke they look for these days exept if its just uniformed gaurds in a squad car then they will bring u to court for enough for 1 spliff even,the detectives will look the other way with hash/weed because by the time it gets to court theyll have a bigger case and will not even turn up to court to give evidence,instant strike out,to some people and certain areas canabis may as well be legal

g5fd6ow0hseima · 29-07-2009 01:41PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Its clear now many don't and try and justify it by pointing to other trades which are legal but have questionable morality. Most on the arguments here have a fallacy.

But then again, most would feel that cannabis (Im guessing most here are potsmokers as opposed to cokeheads) should be legal, and that the government should be willing to endure all this criminality as long as they uphold such stupid laws..... Let the government bear the brunt of the consequences of their own ignorance and stupidity

Doodee · 29-07-2009 01:43PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

For those that blame the government (an easy target, its always us vs them isn't it?), They are of the people, by the people and for the people. They are a direct reflection of our own society, if there was a popular movement for drugs legalisation, the government would be in favour. Its the way democracy works, but thats another thread.

Yes, and as some people say, They ignore us and we ignore them.

Your question was a little nonsensical tbh, and seems to have just been a match to ignite a old fire.
If people are buying drugs then they have already done the risk calculations in their heads, they know who they are buying from and understand the reasons why they must source it from those types of people.

A far better question would be do you feel guilty for not forcing the government to change their stance on drugs and try an alternative solution to fix the problems?

Canis Lupus · 29-07-2009 01:44PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The question I posed though is theat whether drug uers feel a sense of guilt when they buy. .

No

/thread

jarhead20 · 29-07-2009 01:46PM

Kirby wrote: »

Part of the problem is hypocrisy. Smoking and Alcohol both damage you and are legal. I wouldn't classify Weed as any more dangerous.

But drink and smoke are legal. Whether or not they should be legal isn't relevent to the discussion. That battle is lost. That doesn't mean that similar drugs should be legalised because others of similar ilk are already. Weed is harmful. The pro camp refuse to acknowledge that fact and claim that its harmless which is rubbish. It's a mind altering drug and anybody who thinks it does no harm needs to take a good look at themselves.[/quote

not true, iv been smoking canabis and a regular grower for years ,iv been smoking since im 16 and im now 23 all i am is a slightly bit dumber but normal no damage done its weed i smoke aswell not hash so theres probably a difference to the damage but iv went for lung check ups and theyv said iv the lungs of a light smoker when iv known people that have been smoking cigarettes and have done the same test and have been told theyv the lungs of a 60 yrs old and have never touched hash/weed in there life and they wer even younger than me too.

raah! · 29-07-2009 01:48PM

Proponets of such harsh punishments generally aren't the "habitual users" you speak of here.

jarhead20 · 29-07-2009 01:49PM

life is boring without drugs theres nothing better than getting off work and coming home to a fat joint :P

dearg lady · 29-07-2009 01:50PM

Doodee wrote: »

A far better question would be do you feel guilty for not forcing the government to change their stance on drugs and try an alternative solution to fix the problems?

Interesting point, it's kind of a catch 22 isn't it, for people to come out publicly and condone something currently illegal might be quite difficult. They might feel it would affect their employment prospects for example.
I'd put money on the fact that there's a lot more people enjoy a spliff than those who turn up at legalise it rallies and marches.

Also, OP, why specifically pot and coke? is it cos they're the most common? (I'm guessing there!)

Habitual Cannabis/coke users

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