Boylesports this is just wrong!!!!

Grafter · 22-07-2009 04:18AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well firstly its closed to anybody who does not have a boylepoker account, now its giving a huge advantage to those who actually play on those accounts. So it is a closed tournament.
An open live tournament means you can buy in at the venue and don't have to be a member of any poker website.

We shall have to disagree.

I can't turn up at the Irish (or British or any other) Open in the golf or any other sport and wave my cash at them, so that's a dud angle to argue.

You can drop into a Boyle's shop and pay up no problem without having an account before or having to go on the internet. The no cash on the day thing is just coz they're well sold out in advance.

Edit:
Its forcing people to play online poker who might not like or want to play online or else they start at a disadvantage in the tournament that they actually want to play in.

I take your point, but I see it as "encouraging to try" rather than forcing.

The disadvantage is seriously small given the nature of the blinds and the opposition.

a-k-47 · 22-07-2009 04:59AM

i was thinking about some people that turn, and may not of known about the extra 2k. Ill prob get it a go anyway.(with the extra 2k):)

18:40-19:00 Level 9; 400-800 50
19:00-19:40 Level 8; 300-600 75
19:40-20:00 Level 9; 400-800 50
20:00-20:20 Level 9; 400-800 75

^^ the structure, typo?

lee_arama · 22-07-2009 06:36AM

Am I right in understanding that the players here, who want to play the IPO, and have a dormant Boyle account, can't be arsed booting up a few SnG's or grinding limit games to build up the points needed?

The majority of us here surely play on some iPoker skin or the other? Is it so hard to use a specific one more over a certain period?

And you can talk about FTP or Stars having bigger games etc... well if you play those stakes in the first place I'm sure it's no biggie to sit into the bigger Omaha games on Boyle and make your points in short order.

I think the player retention argument/discusion, while relevant for us poker players, is partially moot, since we'll play wherever we damn please. We'll either play on Boyle (as is my wont), or we won't. I think after the iPoker changeover they kept a fair chunk of the Boardsies...

seaniebaby86 · 22-07-2009 06:44AM

Now I'm no expert, but the event's main sponsor is Boylepoker.com. So to incentivise people to use boylepoker.com, they have this promotion.
Seems like good business sense to me. If you want the extra chips, play online. If you don't play online, you start with less chips than those who do.

All seems fair to me.

HIVeindhoven · 22-07-2009 06:57AM

This thread is proof (if it were needed) that some people just enjoy whinging for the sake of it. Anyone who complains about this promotion is being nitpicky and ridiculous.
And for the record I am not affiliated with Boyles, dont have an account there and will not be playing this tourney, but it tilts me that a company that is going to add 25K to the prizepool of this tourney (as well as presumably footing a good deal running costs) are being sniped at for being unethical for trying to ensure they get a return on their investment.
Unethical? Unethical is a Doctor prescribing sex with him as a cure for the cold. Unethical is a Goalkeeper taking money to let a few soft shots slip by him. What is not unethical is company trying to give their own customers a better deal in an event they are footing the bill for, and advertising this fact and how to attain the benefits months in advance. Get a dictionary and stop devaluing the english language please.

seaniebaby86 · 22-07-2009 07:25AM

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

Unethical? Unethical is a Doctor prescribing sex with him as a cure for the cold. Unethical is a Goalkeeper taking money to let a few soft shots slip by him. What is not unethical is company trying to give their own customers a better deal in an event they are footing the bill for, and advertising this fact and how to attain the benefits months in advance. Get a dictionary and stop devaluing the english language please.

Ha ha!! Well said!!!:)

LuckyLloyd · 22-07-2009 07:44AM

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big_iain · 22-07-2009 08:23AM

a-k-47 wrote: »

morally wrong.

pity the oul boys who turn up and start with a lesser stack.

The marketing is everywhere on the site which you have to go onto to buyin. It is impossible to not know about as you have to close the marketing blurb before going into the lobby.

eagle eye wrote: »

Well firstly its closed to anybody who does not have a boylepoker account, now its giving a huge advantage to those who actually play on those accounts. So it is a closed tournament.
An open live tournament means you can buy in at the venue and don't have to be a member of any poker website.

Edit:
Its forcing people to play online poker who might not like or want to play online or else they start at a disadvantage in the tournament that they actually want to play in.

No-one is forcing anyone to play online. You can gain an extra 2k chips by playing and gaining a few points on the sponsors site.

To me this seems like an early bird chip idea. Turn up early and get a slight advantage.

It is so easy to deposit with boyles, as in going to their high street shops, how can this not be all inclusive. So easy at the mo to get a ticket.

DeVore wrote: »

Its very hard to determine "right" and "wrong" when something hasnt been done before.

One way would be to exaggerate it like what-if they gave 10k extra chips to Boyles players rather then just 2k? Does that clarify it either way for anyone?

Personally I dont think people should be assigning emotive terms to this. Caveat Emptor, play it or dont... so long as its not hidden from anyone and they make it clear, you are all free to draw your own conclusions and act accordingly.

+1

I would like to add that anyone who does not want the chance to play in the biggest poker tournament outside Vegas is a little crazy. It is easy to get in, cheap, well run, and above all an amazing experience for a poker player.

eagle eye · 22-07-2009 08:27AM

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

This thread is proof (if it were needed) that some people just enjoy whinging for the sake of it. Anyone who complains about this promotion is being nitpicky and ridiculous.

Its easy for me or you and pretty much everybody in this thread to get the extra 2k in chips. Its not easy for somebody who works 12 hours a day and maybe has a wife and kids. Its not easy for an older computer illiterate person. Its not easy for somebody who doesn't actually own a pc or laptop.

When I posted in here I was thinking of others, and specifically live players who don't know the first thing about the internet.

HIVeindhoven · 22-07-2009 08:31AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Its easy for me or you and pretty much everybody in this thread to get the extra 2k in chips. Its not easy for somebody who works 12 hours a day and maybe has a wife and kids. Its not easy for an older computer illiterate person. Its not easy for somebody who doesn't actually own a pc or laptop.

When I posted in here I was thinking of others, and specifically live players who don't know the first thing about the internet.

Didnt think of it like that, maybe we could get Amnesty International or http://www.ageaction.ie/ involved.

eagle eye · 22-07-2009 08:33AM

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

Didnt think of it like that, maybe we could get Amnesty International or http://www.ageaction.ie/ involved.

Don't be such a tosser, I'm just giving a point of view. If you don't like it tough, same as boylepoker and their tournament.

CHD · 22-07-2009 08:35AM

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

Didnt think of it like that, maybe we could get Amnesty International or http://www.ageaction.ie/ involved.

Your becoming one of those whingers.......

bantee · 22-07-2009 09:08AM

Its only 2k in chips, bluff some Frenchie and you will get that much chips in one hand!

mickc · 22-07-2009 09:22AM

bantee wrote: »

Its only 2k in chips, bluff some Frenchie and you will get that much chips in one hand!

Frenchies dont like folding.

Regarding the OP, I dont mind having to earn the extra chips. Boyles are putting a lot into the IPO and I cant complain about having to earn some VIP points in exchange.

If people do not/will not play online and wont play the tournament because of it, that is their choice. They can play other tournaments.

wendelsailor · 22-07-2009 09:22AM

LOL at even starting this thread.............

a147pro · 22-07-2009 09:36AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I intend to play with 8k chips, and still expect to have a massive edge over the field.

This is ridiculous tbh, you're p*ssing away 20% of an edge from the start which is massive in poker terms

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They are entitled to do this, I'm entitled to register and not play a single hand on their site. Or not play at all if I was sufficiently irritated by this.

This is fine, except there is no other tournament like this out there at this value. As such, i think people are entitled to be a little begrudged at having to download their software and play for two months, particularly when their software is a pile of cack. And there are older lads who would love to play this but don't / can't play online.

smcb · 22-07-2009 09:54AM

was the tournament last year not the best ipo? in terms of numbers and organisation?

mocata · 22-07-2009 09:55AM

Someone is giving us 25k and a pro tourny and they want something in return?!!! Boylesports should unregister as a charity immediately IMO. u wudnt see greenpeace pull this kind of crap

lee_arama · 22-07-2009 09:56AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Its not easy for somebody who works 12 hours a day and maybe has a wife and kids.

And they were thinking of playing the IPO when? On their lunchbreaks, over a period of months?

Think of poor Flushdraw and Gilly too, they've husbands, wives AND multiple children, not to mention cats and dogs...how'll they ever manage?

Sheesh...

eagle eye · 22-07-2009 10:11AM

lee_arama wrote: »

And they were thinking of playing the IPO when? On their lunchbreaks, over a period of months?

Think of poor Flushdraw and Gilly too, they've husbands, wives AND multiple children, not to mention cats and dogs...how'll they ever manage?

Sheesh...

I don't know why I'm even bothering, but lets say the guy can swing a weekend of poker at the IPO, but now its not good enough that he wants to play the tournament and sign up to Boyles but he has to actually spend 140 dollars in tourneys/sngs(based on what Tipp86 says) or play enough cash to cover 14 bucks rake online each month. As I said its no bother to all of us here but for the average Joe on the street who plays occasionally and only plays live its very unfair. Not to mention the old guys that don't have a clue or any computer illiterate person.

I'm not even going to get into how aggressive this approach is, I don't like it personally and its because of the forceful nature of it.

smcb · 22-07-2009 10:25AM

tough titty. would you rather boyles took away the added money?

NickyOD · 22-07-2009 10:26AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Don't be such a tosser, I'm just giving a point of view. If you don't like it tough, same as boylepoker and their tournament.

And yet he gave his point of view without petty name calling. Why can't you?

I can't fathom how people can take issue with a sponsor that's putting so much into an event enasuring they get a return on their investment while being totally transparent about it. It's beyond ludicrous to whinge about this imo.

thedini · 22-07-2009 10:28AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't know why I'm even bothering, but lets say the guy can swing a weekend of poker at the IPO, but now its not good enough that he wants to play the tournament and sign up to Boyles but he has to actually spend 140 dollars in tourneys/sngs(based on what Tipp86 says) or play enough cash to cover 14 bucks rake online each month. As I said its no bother to all of us here but for the average Joe on the street who plays occasionally and only plays live its very unfair. Not to mention the old guys that don't have a clue or any computer illiterate person.

I'm not even going to get into how aggressive this approach is, I don't like it personally and its because of the forceful nature of it.

If the guy can swing a weekend of poker then there's loads of other tournaments that will cater for his needs. You are saying that it's no bother to us all here, that's exactly the point. THE TOURNAMENT IS AIMED FOR PLAYERS THAT USE THE INTERNET. .

eagle eye · 22-07-2009 10:31AM

thedini wrote: »

If the guy can swing a weekend of poker then there's loads of other tournaments that will cater for his needs. You are saying that it's no bother to us all here, that's exactly the point. THE TOURNAMENT IS AIMED FOR PLAYERS THAT USE THE INTERNET. .

Whats the point in having a live tournament for internet players? It kind of defeats the purpose does it not?

eagle eye · 22-07-2009 10:33AM

NickyOD wrote: »

And yet he gave his point of view without petty name calling. Why can't you?

I can't fathom how people can take issue with a sponsor that's putting so much into an event enasuring they get a return on their investment while being totally transparent about it. It's beyond ludicrous to whinge about this imo.

I didn't attack him for having a point of view, I attacked his take the p1ss retort to my post.

Also it s forceful its an 'or else' approach.

thedini · 22-07-2009 10:36AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Whats the point in having a live tournament for internet players? It kind of defeats the purpose does it not?

I said players that use the internet not internet players.

kakak1 · 22-07-2009 11:30AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't know why I'm even bothering, but lets say the guy can swing a weekend of poker at the IPO, but now its not good enough that he wants to play the tournament and sign up to Boyles but he has to actually spend 140 dollars in tourneys/sngs(based on what Tipp86 says) or play enough cash to cover 14 bucks rake online each month. As I said its no bother to all of us here but for the average Joe on the street who plays occasionally and only plays live its very unfair. Not to mention the old guys that don't have a clue or any computer illiterate person.

I'm not even going to get into how aggressive this approach is, I don't like it personally and its because of the forceful nature of it.

a147pro wrote: »

This is ridiculous tbh, you're p*ssing away 20% of an edge from the start which is massive in poker terms

This is fine, except there is no other tournament like this out there at this value. As such, i think people are entitled to be a little begrudged at having to download their software and play for two months, particularly when their software is a pile of cack. And there are older lads who would love to play this but don't / can't play online.

Easy up on the "old guys", I'm one of them, as Richie "Fish n' Chips" Lawlor keeps reminding you, and am well capable of switching on the PC.

Personally I think this is an excellent marketing ploy from Boylesport & I sincerely hope it works for them.

Whats the advantage to their company to sponsor any tournament & put up a large slice of money & get nothing in returm. I've signed up to Blonde, Mermaid, Party etc to be able to registered to play their sponsored tournaments & never played on their sites.

What's all the bitching about. It's really very simple, you know the rules, play the required hours online & you qualify to register with a certain amount of chips, don't play on line & you start with 2,000 less.

If you have a problem with that there is a very simple solution, don't play, but ffs stop bitching about a company trying to get a return on their investment. Without sponsors tournaments like this won't happen.

LuckyLloyd · 22-07-2009 11:39AM

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a147pro · 22-07-2009 11:54AM

its not the end of the world, but it is annoying. as an aside, there's clearly a market for this type and size of event, are other people running similar and if not why not?

NickyOD · 22-07-2009 11:55AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I didn't attack him for having a point of view, I attacked his take the p1ss retort to my post.

Also it s forceful its an 'or else' approach.

Really you didn't attack him?

He posted a link to amnesty international as a joke and you responded by calling him a tosser.

Boylesports this is just wrong!!!!

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