Boylesports this is just wrong!!!!

bingobars

Boylesports International Poker Open 2009.

So here is my rant anyway. If you play on Boylesports before the event you can accumulate as much as 2,000 extra starting chips for this event.

http://www.boylesports.com/poker/d.asp?show=IPO_EventInfo_English

Fair enough they are adding €25,000 to the pool but this IMO doesnt warrent this advantage to be allowed to some.

Not fair on those that dont want to play on their site but would like to play the tournie.

I can see that they want to boost traffic on the site etc but this is not the way about it!

Give players Super Sattelite vouchers or something.

This may well just cause alot of bitterness on the day.

Thoughts??

mdwexford

I think its a superb marketing idea and they are totally within their rights to do it.

CHD

mdwexford wrote: »

I think its a superb marketing idea and they are totally within their rights to do it.

+1

I don't like it but Boyles deserve this.

mdwexford

mdwexford wrote: »

I think its a superb marketing idea and they are totally within their rights to do it.

Pretty much think this. The promotion is open to everyone so everyone has an opportunity to avail of it.

eagle eye

Is this a level? Are people here actually saying now that extra chips in a live event is fair to those who don't play online poker?

bohsman

You will not find another tournament like it in this price range, if you dont like it dont play, Im sure someone else will happily fill that spot.

Stephens post in the IPO thread sums it up really.

carfax wrote: »

Hi Bobby, the idea behind the IPO has always been that it is primarily aimed at online players. The kind of value we are able to offer here can only come about because of the value that online players have to a site like Boylepoker.com...I gave a very similar answer on thehendonmob a few minutes ago where I said something along the lines of;

"We are aiming for it to be a level playing field all around...We want 100% of the players that take part to play a little bit on BoylePoker in August and September and then start the International Poker Open with the 10,000 stack.
The idea of the IPO is to make Championship poker available to every player but its a little bit of a paradox too because the IPO is also really only aimed at Boylepoker players "...

What I would say to you is that we really don't want your uncle to miss out on the tournament, because the players are what make any tournament happen. But if he won't play for a couple of hours online in August and September then I can understand why he would be upset and might even want to give it a miss this year.

Cheers,
Stephen.

a-k-47

morally wrong.

pity the oul boys who turn up and start with a lesser stack.

LuckyLloyd

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newbie2

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I...still expect to have a massive edge over the field.... .

LOL

bohsman

As well as player retention potentially being poor I would say that last year it was all about new signups, now that nearly everyone has an account they need to focus on getting existing players playing for it to be any value to them.

LuckyLloyd

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Grafter

I'm an oul boy and I can manage to drag myself away from redtube for the hour or two a month that this will take.

phantom_lord

He intended to play with 8k chips, and still expected to have a massive edge over the field.

The statues that gave the best representation of Lloyd's person were those of Lysippus (by whom alone he would suffer his image to be made), those peculiarities which many of his successors afterwards and his friends used to affect to imitate, the inclination of his head a little on one side towards his left shoulder, and his melting eye, having been expressed by this artist with great exactness. Aristoxenus in his Memoirs tells us that a most agreeable odour exhaled from his skin, and that his breath and body all over was so fragrant as to perfume the clothes which he wore next him; the cause of which might probably be the hot and adust temperament of his body.

Excerpts from Plutarch's "Lucky Lloyd, The Greatest Donkament Player Evar"

newbie2

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Both years I've played it I found it to be the softest tournament I ever played with that type of prizemoney. Awful Irish players obv, but loads of clueless French and UK donks aswell. If you're somewhat competent at poker (which I believe myself to be) you are way above average relative to the field. No other way to put it.

jebus...should've put the sarcasm smiley in after my post. sorry lloyd, you're the man.:rolleyes:

The OP is entitled to his opinion regarding Boyle. I'm a big fan of Boyle. they've looked after me in previous tournaments and I suspect they'll look after me in a few more over the next few years. Online poker is quickly becoming a flooded market. You need to be ruthless and willing to put your neck out to get ahead. We have seen how some skins/affiliates have fallen by the wayside - owing a lot of people a lot of things.

IMO this promo is a good thing. Thgere's not a lot of risk. BTW - I wont be partaking in this promo. I'm too good and hope to bust LLoyd out at the FT.!!:P:rolleyes:

gman127

At the end of the day it is a business their trying to run, not a charity.

If they just wanted to run a big tourney they would just do so with buyins on the day etc.

But tournaments of this buyin compared to size require huge amounts of effort from those involved for very little (if any) profit; therefore the spinoff for them has to be players using their site!

Personally I think its ingenious by Boyles to use this angle to get people playing on the site.

corkie123

lodge a bit of money on there site and just play it does not take long to get the points . they are entitled to get something for there 25k . its not a lot to ask u can lodge and take out from there shops now which is great instead of waiting days for check like some other crowds

Grafter

The oul boys can't do internet argument is poor and the more general Boyle's are making me play on their site BS is even poorer.

I play more and higher on other sites and very little with my own pennies on Boyle's and am at the very easy to achieve and maintain vip3.

Every month they give me $25 which I ship to sportsbook and back to poker, giving me $50 bonus bucks.

Clearing the bonus bucks and just a wee bit more gives me access to more than enough points for the IPO chips, the Monday and Wednesday $600 addeds, the Saturday $1000 added and the monthly $3000 added. Can't be arsed with the daily $100's, but they're there too.

tipp86

Its $14 dollars worth of tournament rake each month as far as i calculated for a new sign up to site. Its pretty easily done.

The only people that are effected are the people who will make no effort to do it.

Im not quiet sure why llyod wouldnt make the effort and start with the 10k stack.

Its good to see people backing up boyles here after what they have done regards sponsoring heads up event etc...

I have dealt with them at a live event before and couldnt give enough positive feedback on how things were run.

They deseve to try add to there customer base in this way. They are throwing 25 k on the prizepool so why not get something back.

HIVeindhoven

I predict an Epic Fail whinge thread in October when some clown who has missed all of this airs his grievance about "unfairly" starting with 2 K less in his stack.

Grafter

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

I predict an Epic Fail whinge thread in October when some clown who has missed all of this airs his grievance about "unfairly" starting with 2 K less in his stack.

Anyone who is worried about starting with 2K less and is scared of the internet should stay in the bar for the first hour as a crazy francais would have bluffed them out of 2K in that time anyway.

newbie2

dannydiamond

bingobars wrote: »

Boylesports International Poker Open 2009.

So here is my rant anyway. If you play on Boylesports before the event you can accumulate as much as 2,000 extra starting chips for this event.

http://www.boylesports.com/poker/d.asp?show=IPO_EventInfo_English

Fair enough they are adding €25,000 to the pool but this IMO doesnt warrent this advantage to be allowed to some.

Not fair on those that dont want to play on their site but would like to play the tournie.

I can see that they want to boost traffic on the site etc but this is not the way about it!

Give players Super Sattelite vouchers or something.

This may well just cause alot of bitterness on the day.

Thoughts??

My thoughts are that you should perhaps forget about this tournie and then you won't have a problem.

Btw, there is absolutely no advantage being 'allowed to some' as you put it, the same rules and requirements apply to all.

You think Boyles are adding 25k to the prizepool for the craic?

ditpoker

lol at op saying "this is just wrong" and then explaining why it makes sense.

Consider the event an online poker tournament. you have to reg online, you get paid online. its a boylepoker event, they can/should do whatever they want that is best for them. They could easily justify 5k +5k for raking players, imo.

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bingobars wrote: »

Not fair on those that dont want to play on their site but would like to play the tournie.

WHY would boyle's or any business for that matter want to cater to "those that dont want to play on their site", come on now!

edit 2: i'm 50/50 as to whether i think OP is a boyle person trying to get extra attention on boards for the ipo!

eagle eye

ditpoker wrote: »

lol at op saying "this is just wrong" and then explaining why it makes sense.

Consider the event an online poker tournament. you have to reg online, you get paid online. its a boylepoker event, they can/should do whatever they want that is best for them. They could easily justify 5k +5k for raking players, imo.

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WHY would boyle's or any business for that matter want to cater to "those that dont want to play on their site", come on now!

edit 2: i'm 50/50 as to whether i think OP is a boyle person trying to get extra attention on boards for the ipo!

You usually come in opposing the popular side but this time you are on the side of the majority. Makes me think you have some ulterior motive or affiliation to this.

Grafter

ditpoker wrote: »

edit 2: i'm 50/50 as to whether i think OP is a boyle person trying to get extra attention on boards for the ipo!

You mean like Ciaran going on 2+2 and starting a poll as to whether Full Flush has overtaken Marty as the bestest player in the world ever?

corkie123

Grafter wrote: »

You mean like Ciaran going on 2+2 and starting a poll as to whether Full Flush has overtaken Marty as the bestest player in the world ever?

jesus marty voted for fullflush himself :D

DeVore

Its very hard to determine "right" and "wrong" when something hasnt been done before.

One way would be to exaggerate it like what-if they gave 10k extra chips to Boyles players rather then just 2k? Does that clarify it either way for anyone?

Personally I dont think people should be assigning emotive terms to this. Caveat Emptor, play it or dont... so long as its not hidden from anyone and they make it clear, you are all free to draw your own conclusions and act accordingly.

DeV.

eagle eye

I was just thinking further on it and I do think its unfair to those that don't play online. Boyles can do what they want of course but really this is just a closed tournament.

Probably a good thing business wise but not good for the recreational player.

cooker3

eagle eye wrote: »

You usually come in opposing the popular side but this time you are on the side of the majority. Makes me think you have some ulterior motive or affiliation to this.

To translate. "Jeff normally you talk ****e but this time you are actually making a bit of sense. Something is fishy here"

Grafter

eagle eye wrote: »

I was just thinking further on it and I do think its unfair to those that don't play online. Boyles can do what they want of course but really this is just a closed tournament.

Probably a good thing business wise but not good for the recreational player.

I'm more than a bit bemused by your opinion, to be honest. The amount that they're asking someone to play is only a taster, not a serious amount.

Of course they want folk to try the site, but the amount required is never going to make them a profit or near to it and between deposit bonus, IPO satellites, freerolls etc what they're offering far outweighs what they're asking.

If it was closed, which a lot of tournaments with this much value are, we'd have to play (a lot) to get in, but we don't.

eagle eye

Grafter wrote: »

I'm more than a bit bemused by your opinion, to be honest. The amount that they're asking someone to play is only a taster, not a serious amount.

Of course they want folk to try the site, but the amount required is never going to make them a profit or near to it and between deposit bonus, IPO satellites, freerolls etc what they're offering far outweighs what they're asking.

If it was closed, which a lot of tournaments with this much value are, we'd have to play (a lot) to get in, but we don't.

Well firstly its closed to anybody who does not have a boylepoker account, now its giving a huge advantage to those who actually play on those accounts. So it is a closed tournament.
An open live tournament means you can buy in at the venue and don't have to be a member of any poker website.

Edit:
Its forcing people to play online poker who might not like or want to play online or else they start at a disadvantage in the tournament that they actually want to play in.

Grafter

eagle eye wrote: »

Well firstly its closed to anybody who does not have a boylepoker account, now its giving a huge advantage to those who actually play on those accounts. So it is a closed tournament.
An open live tournament means you can buy in at the venue and don't have to be a member of any poker website.

We shall have to disagree.

I can't turn up at the Irish (or British or any other) Open in the golf or any other sport and wave my cash at them, so that's a dud angle to argue.

You can drop into a Boyle's shop and pay up no problem without having an account before or having to go on the internet. The no cash on the day thing is just coz they're well sold out in advance.

Edit:
Its forcing people to play online poker who might not like or want to play online or else they start at a disadvantage in the tournament that they actually want to play in.

I take your point, but I see it as "encouraging to try" rather than forcing.

The disadvantage is seriously small given the nature of the blinds and the opposition.

a-k-47

i was thinking about some people that turn, and may not of known about the extra 2k. Ill prob get it a go anyway.(with the extra 2k):)

18:40-19:00 Level 9; 400-800 50
19:00-19:40 Level 8; 300-600 75
19:40-20:00 Level 9; 400-800 50
20:00-20:20 Level 9; 400-800 75

^^ the structure, typo?

lee_arama

Am I right in understanding that the players here, who want to play the IPO, and have a dormant Boyle account, can't be arsed booting up a few SnG's or grinding limit games to build up the points needed?

The majority of us here surely play on some iPoker skin or the other? Is it so hard to use a specific one more over a certain period?

And you can talk about FTP or Stars having bigger games etc... well if you play those stakes in the first place I'm sure it's no biggie to sit into the bigger Omaha games on Boyle and make your points in short order.

I think the player retention argument/discusion, while relevant for us poker players, is partially moot, since we'll play wherever we damn please. We'll either play on Boyle (as is my wont), or we won't. I think after the iPoker changeover they kept a fair chunk of the Boardsies...

seaniebaby86

Now I'm no expert, but the event's main sponsor is Boylepoker.com. So to incentivise people to use boylepoker.com, they have this promotion.
Seems like good business sense to me. If you want the extra chips, play online. If you don't play online, you start with less chips than those who do.

All seems fair to me.

HIVeindhoven

This thread is proof (if it were needed) that some people just enjoy whinging for the sake of it. Anyone who complains about this promotion is being nitpicky and ridiculous.
And for the record I am not affiliated with Boyles, dont have an account there and will not be playing this tourney, but it tilts me that a company that is going to add 25K to the prizepool of this tourney (as well as presumably footing a good deal running costs) are being sniped at for being unethical for trying to ensure they get a return on their investment.
Unethical? Unethical is a Doctor prescribing sex with him as a cure for the cold. Unethical is a Goalkeeper taking money to let a few soft shots slip by him. What is not unethical is company trying to give their own customers a better deal in an event they are footing the bill for, and advertising this fact and how to attain the benefits months in advance. Get a dictionary and stop devaluing the english language please.

seaniebaby86

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

Unethical? Unethical is a Doctor prescribing sex with him as a cure for the cold. Unethical is a Goalkeeper taking money to let a few soft shots slip by him. What is not unethical is company trying to give their own customers a better deal in an event they are footing the bill for, and advertising this fact and how to attain the benefits months in advance. Get a dictionary and stop devaluing the english language please.

Ha ha!! Well said!!!:)

LuckyLloyd

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big_iain

a-k-47 wrote: »

morally wrong.

pity the oul boys who turn up and start with a lesser stack.

The marketing is everywhere on the site which you have to go onto to buyin. It is impossible to not know about as you have to close the marketing blurb before going into the lobby.

eagle eye wrote: »

Well firstly its closed to anybody who does not have a boylepoker account, now its giving a huge advantage to those who actually play on those accounts. So it is a closed tournament.
An open live tournament means you can buy in at the venue and don't have to be a member of any poker website.

Edit:
Its forcing people to play online poker who might not like or want to play online or else they start at a disadvantage in the tournament that they actually want to play in.

No-one is forcing anyone to play online. You can gain an extra 2k chips by playing and gaining a few points on the sponsors site.

To me this seems like an early bird chip idea. Turn up early and get a slight advantage.

It is so easy to deposit with boyles, as in going to their high street shops, how can this not be all inclusive. So easy at the mo to get a ticket.

DeVore wrote: »

Its very hard to determine "right" and "wrong" when something hasnt been done before.

One way would be to exaggerate it like what-if they gave 10k extra chips to Boyles players rather then just 2k? Does that clarify it either way for anyone?

Personally I dont think people should be assigning emotive terms to this. Caveat Emptor, play it or dont... so long as its not hidden from anyone and they make it clear, you are all free to draw your own conclusions and act accordingly.

+1

I would like to add that anyone who does not want the chance to play in the biggest poker tournament outside Vegas is a little crazy. It is easy to get in, cheap, well run, and above all an amazing experience for a poker player.

eagle eye

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

This thread is proof (if it were needed) that some people just enjoy whinging for the sake of it. Anyone who complains about this promotion is being nitpicky and ridiculous.

Its easy for me or you and pretty much everybody in this thread to get the extra 2k in chips. Its not easy for somebody who works 12 hours a day and maybe has a wife and kids. Its not easy for an older computer illiterate person. Its not easy for somebody who doesn't actually own a pc or laptop.

When I posted in here I was thinking of others, and specifically live players who don't know the first thing about the internet.

HIVeindhoven

eagle eye wrote: »

Its easy for me or you and pretty much everybody in this thread to get the extra 2k in chips. Its not easy for somebody who works 12 hours a day and maybe has a wife and kids. Its not easy for an older computer illiterate person. Its not easy for somebody who doesn't actually own a pc or laptop.

When I posted in here I was thinking of others, and specifically live players who don't know the first thing about the internet.

Didnt think of it like that, maybe we could get Amnesty International or http://www.ageaction.ie/ involved.

eagle eye

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

Didnt think of it like that, maybe we could get Amnesty International or http://www.ageaction.ie/ involved.

Don't be such a tosser, I'm just giving a point of view. If you don't like it tough, same as boylepoker and their tournament.

CHD

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

Didnt think of it like that, maybe we could get Amnesty International or http://www.ageaction.ie/ involved.

Your becoming one of those whingers.......

bantee

Its only 2k in chips, bluff some Frenchie and you will get that much chips in one hand!

mickc

bantee wrote: »

Its only 2k in chips, bluff some Frenchie and you will get that much chips in one hand!

Frenchies dont like folding.


Regarding the OP, I dont mind having to earn the extra chips. Boyles are putting a lot into the IPO and I cant complain about having to earn some VIP points in exchange.

If people do not/will not play online and wont play the tournament because of it, that is their choice. They can play other tournaments.

wendelsailor

LOL at even starting this thread.............

a147pro

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I intend to play with 8k chips, and still expect to have a massive edge over the field.

This is ridiculous tbh, you're p*ssing away 20% of an edge from the start which is massive in poker terms

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They are entitled to do this, I'm entitled to register and not play a single hand on their site. Or not play at all if I was sufficiently irritated by this.

This is fine, except there is no other tournament like this out there at this value. As such, i think people are entitled to be a little begrudged at having to download their software and play for two months, particularly when their software is a pile of cack. And there are older lads who would love to play this but don't / can't play online.

smcb

was the tournament last year not the best ipo? in terms of numbers and organisation?

mocata

Someone is giving us 25k and a pro tourny and they want something in return?!!! Boylesports should unregister as a charity immediately IMO. u wudnt see greenpeace pull this kind of crap

lee_arama

eagle eye wrote: »

Its not easy for somebody who works 12 hours a day and maybe has a wife and kids.

And they were thinking of playing the IPO when? On their lunchbreaks, over a period of months?

Think of poor Flushdraw and Gilly too, they've husbands, wives AND multiple children, not to mention cats and dogs...how'll they ever manage?

Sheesh...

eagle eye

lee_arama wrote: »

And they were thinking of playing the IPO when? On their lunchbreaks, over a period of months?

Think of poor Flushdraw and Gilly too, they've husbands, wives AND multiple children, not to mention cats and dogs...how'll they ever manage?

Sheesh...

I don't know why I'm even bothering, but lets say the guy can swing a weekend of poker at the IPO, but now its not good enough that he wants to play the tournament and sign up to Boyles but he has to actually spend 140 dollars in tourneys/sngs(based on what Tipp86 says) or play enough cash to cover 14 bucks rake online each month. As I said its no bother to all of us here but for the average Joe on the street who plays occasionally and only plays live its very unfair. Not to mention the old guys that don't have a clue or any computer illiterate person.

I'm not even going to get into how aggressive this approach is, I don't like it personally and its because of the forceful nature of it.