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The Angelus before the News,

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  • #62
    Mr Benevolent
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    The way people stop and look towards the sky in anticipation of some divine cumshot is the funniest thing RTE have produced in years

    Best laugh I've have all day :D


  • #63
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Here we go again. Angelus is staying. end of!


  • #64
    Biggins
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    For me, when I losely use the term "clean slate", I mean in terms of the things that was done, introduced during the 50's/60's which to be honest (again in my view) held us back as a nation trying to modernise itself (but slowed the process down).

    I've been in many, many countries and Ireland so far for me is the only one where they play the bells at six before the news. There might be others, there probably is. I've yet to come across them though.
    I personally don't hate the bells. I do dislike hearing them myself because they also remind me of how still we have the Roman Catholic organisation also having a say what goes on at thee prime time and how they can still remind us "we exist and we can take priority - like it or not!".
    RTE won't drop the bells (yet?) for fear of offending those holding onto the ways of the previous eras - and thats understandable completely.
    However at some point, we do have to move on with our now multi-cultural state, start behaving like the European state we are and flick that switch for change from off to fully on.
    Not jam the switch half way as it is now.


  • #65
    ihadu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 175 ✭✭ihadu


    Jakkass wrote: »
    I mean, do you really want the Catholic establishment to take a more Protestant view of the Bible? That is good in many respects in my opinion, but it can also be bad in others. It has resulted in abuse and misuse of the Bible for personal agendas in many cases. I guess it's all just about balance!

    kinda makes this book of wizardry and thought redundant.

    back on topic, there's a place on telly for hocuspocus and quesionable moral guidance...Sky Channel xxx


  • #66
    philologos
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    Biggins wrote: »
    For me, when I losely use the term "clean slate", I mean in terms of the things that was done, introduced during the 50's/60's which to be honest (again in my view) held us back as a nation trying to modernise itself (but slowed the process down).

    The Angelus doesn't stop the country from modernising in any real way. I want to know what you mean by modernising though. My opinion of modernisation could be radically different to yours. For example many people see legalising abortion as being modern, I think it's more barbaric than progressive.
    Biggins wrote: »
    I've been in many, many countries and Ireland so far for me is the only one where they play the bells at six before the news. There might be others, there probably is. I've yet to come across them though.

    Why should we let other nations dictate what we do?
    Biggins wrote: »
    I personally don't hate the bells. I do dislike hearing them myself because they also remind me of how still we have the Roman Catholic organisation also having a say what goes on at thee prime time and how they can still remind us "we exist and we can take priority - like it or not!".

    Again, I don't know why it is that people who were involved previously with the Church and left it are far more in opposition to this than people like I who were never involved with the Church are. it seems that atheists and agnostics who have left Catholicism are far far far more critical of this than other faith groups are.
    Biggins wrote: »
    RTE won't drop the bells (yet?) for fear of offending those holding onto the ways of the previous eras - and thats understandable completely.

    Why should they though?
    Biggins wrote: »
    However at some point, we do have to move on with our now multi-cultural state, start behaving like the European state we are and flick that switch for change from off to fully on.
    Not jam the switch half way as it is now.

    We can be multicultural while recognising that we live in a culturally Catholic, or a nation that was culturally influenced by Judeo-Christian values. They aren't mutually exclusive. Just because other cultures live here doesn't mean we have to get rid of our own in the process.


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  • #67
    thelordofcheese
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    ihadu wrote: »
    kinda makes this book of wizardry and thought redundant.

    back on topic, there's a place on telly for hocuspocus and quesionable moral guidance...Sky Channel xxx

    The porn channel?


  • #68
    ejmaztec
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    This thread turned into the usual ding-dong.


  • #69
    philologos
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    ihadu wrote: »
    kinda makes this book of wizardry and thought redundant.

    back on topic, there's a place on telly for hocuspocus and quesionable moral guidance...Sky Channel xxx

    Again, just because you don't wish to lead your lifestyle by Christian values doesn't mean that people in Ireland don't.

    I was expecting this style of atheist condescension to anything that they perceive to be unsavoury before I started posting though. A good proportion of atheists manage to be respectful of other ideas, but there is a good lot who reduce their position to this kind of jeering.


  • #70
    ihadu
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    Jakkass wrote: »

    We can be multicultural while recognising that we live in a culturally Catholic, or a nation that was culturally influenced by Judeo-Christian values. They aren't mutually exclusive. Just because other cultures live here doesn't mean we have to get rid of our own in the process.

    quicker than Moore's Law, this will change. religion was great when there was nothing to do. now we've mobiles, ryanair and Quazar. move over misery, there's a new occupation of time in town


  • #71
    ihadu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 175 ✭✭ihadu


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Again, just because you don't wish to lead your lifestyle by Christian values doesn't mean that people in Ireland don't.

    I was expecting this style of atheist condescension to anything that they perceive to be unsavoury before I started posting though. A good proportion of atheists manage to be respectful of other ideas, but there is a good lot who reduce their position to this kind of jeering.

    are you seriously playing that card? religion has stalled the progression of this great country, its time to put it where it belongs. i'm not advocating anything other than keeping your beliefs to yourself, atheists included. keeping national tv secular is a start.


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  • #72
    philologos
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    ihadu wrote: »
    are you seriously playing that card? religion has stalled the progression of this great country, its time to put it where it belongs. i'm not advocating anything other than keeping your beliefs to yourself, atheists included. keeping national tv secular is a start.

    I disagree with you entirely. Religion has a positive role to play in Ireland in the 21st century and if people found the right balance it could be used as a vehicle for progressive thought in Ireland.

    By the by. Secularism for me stops at church - state separation. Other than that I have no problem with religious programming on RTÉ or any other channel anywhere.

    Do you oppose the Sunday televised services on RTÉ too? Or do you just change the channel?

    As for keeping your beliefs to yourself. This is a society with free speech. I personally don't keep my beliefs to myself in my daily life. If asked about them I will discuss them. Some of the most interesting discussions on religion have been with good friends of mine.

    Why should we have to keep our beliefs to ourselves? Secularism doesn't mean that people should keep their beliefs to ourselves. Infact the USA which separates religion from state encourages the free enterprise of religion.

    Whenever people start talking about "people keeping their beliefs to themselves" and put secularism in the same sentence it rings serious alarm bells for me. I support secular principles in general, but I am a secular-skeptic because it has been abused so much in Europe recently and I don't want that happening here.


  • #73
    Biggins
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    The Angelus doesn't stop the country from modernising in any real way...

    In some respects "no" but in others "yes".
    They are an audible sound and symbol to the wways of the past and/or a way of outdated thinking (and for some to reiterate, for things that was done).

    "Modernising" for me means showing clealy by words, action and acceptance, that as a nation we are more open to those of other faiths, ways of thinking and social methods of living. Thats all (in a nutshell).
    Why should we let other nations dictate what we do?
    We absolutely shouldn't (we are letting the EU dictate to us more but that another now long and still on-going argument).
    For other countries that however, are seen at more progressive in ways of thinking and actual practises, it would do us no harm either to emulate them.
    There nothing wrong in selecting the good from the bad and seeing will it help improve our own society and show us to be in better stead.
    Why should they though?

    We can be multicultural while recognising that we live in a culturally Catholic, or a nation that was culturally influenced by Judeo-Christian values. They aren't mutually exclusive. Just because other cultures live here doesn't mean we have to get rid of our own in the process.

    Absolutely. In being selfish in wanting our nation to be better seen in a good if not greater light there is things we do not do. We don't have a sign above the incoming immigrants heads as they enter the country saying that "We are a catholic nation - don't you forget it!" but what we do have every evening is the ringing of bells as they too turn on for the news, is a series of bells stating that fact!
    Its just another aspect of the bells to be honest.


  • #74
    bigdaddyliamo
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    ihadu wrote: »
    quicker than Moore's Law, this will change. religion was great when there was nothing to do. now we've mobiles, ryanair and Quazar. move over misery, there's a new occupation of time in town

    I say: watch this space...the law of elasticity will prove stronger in the end. As the tiger twitches its last twich the god botherers will be back out in force. I see they are already gathering eating cake jumpers at the holy stump!:)


  • #75
    ihadu
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I disagree with you entirely. Religion has a positive role to play in Ireland in the 21st century and if people found the right balance it could be used as a vehicle for progressive thought in Ireland.

    i was referring to the the other centuries.

    By the by. Secularism for me stops at church - state separation. Other than that I have no problem with religious programming on RTÉ or any other channel anywhere.

    Do you oppose the Sunday televised services on RTÉ too? Or do you just change the channel?

    obviously i do...oppose and inevitably change the channel

    As for keeping your beliefs to yourself. This is a society with free speech. I personally don't keep my beliefs to myself in my daily life. If asked about them I will discuss them. Some of the most interesting discussions on religion have been with good friends of mine.

    more like minded angels, storytime is always easier with your peers

    Why should we have to keep our beliefs to ourselves? Secularism doesn't mean that people should keep their beliefs to ourselves. Infact the USA which separates religion from state encourages the free enterprise of religion.

    theyre a piss-poor example of secularism

    Whenever people start talking about "people keeping their beliefs to themselves" and put secularism in the same sentence it rings serious alarm bells for me. I support secular principles in general, but I am a secular-skeptic because it has been abused so much in Europe recently and I don't want that happening here.


    i'm more annoyed at myself, believe me.


  • #76
    philologos
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    Biggins wrote: »
    In some respects "no" but in others "yes".
    They are an audible sound and symbol to the ways of the past and/or a way of outdated thinking (and for some to reiterate, for things that was done).

    I don't get this same connection that you do. The Angelus is nothing more than a simple call to prayer like what would be normally done from the minarets of mosques.
    Biggins wrote: »
    "Modernising" for me means showing clealy by words, action and acceptance, that as a nation we are more open to those of other faiths, ways of thinking and social methods of living. Thats all (in a nutshell).

    Who says we aren't open to other peoples faiths? People should be expected to be open to the notion that the majority of people in Ireland are Catholics, and Catholicism will motivate the cultural setting unless there is a change in religious belief in the mean time.
    Biggins wrote: »
    We absolutely shouldn't (we are letting the EU dictate to us more but that another now long and still on-going argument).
    For other countries that however, are seen at more progressive in ways of thinking and actual practises, it would do us no harm either to emulate them.

    Seen by whom. There is a huge problem with the word progressive. What is progressive to me, might well be regressive to you.
    Biggins wrote: »
    There nothing wrong in selecting the good from the bad and seeing will it help improve our own society and show us to be in better stead.

    What is the good? What is the bad? People will disagree. That is the issue.
    Biggins wrote: »
    Absolutely. In being selfish in wanting our nation to be better seen in a good if not greater light there is things we do not do. We don't have a sign above the incoming immigrants heads as they enter the country saying that "We are a catholic nation - don't you forget it!" but what we do have every evening is the ringing of bells as they too turn on for the news, is a series of bells stating that fact!
    Its just another aspect of the bells to be honest.

    We don't have a sign no. However it should be expected that when one arrives in a country that one respect the values that are demonstrated in the society they arrive in. It is no different than my expectation that all immigrants will make an effort to learn how to speak the English language.

    We don't need to deny who we are to tolerate others. I think this notion that we have to stop doing things which are uniquely Irish because other people will be living among us is simply ludicrous.

    Should we stop advertising bacon on television because it may offend Jews and Muslims?

    ihadu: Read this article - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/may/18/religion-america-first-amendment

    It's author goes through some of the advantages that secularism has brought to the USA, and how religion has prospered there. It also contrasts the US and the European systems of secularism. I think Ireland should pursue a US model of how to deal with religion. Set up your stall and may the best man win. Free speech, don't hide your faith, it's a part of who you are is far better than saying, keep your faith to yourself and shut up.


  • #77
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    yes the angelus at the end of the day is a national institution like the the National anthem at the end of the day. And who is it offending?


  • #78
    mobius42
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    I wonder would people be so accepting of it, if it was a minute of the Adhan or a minute of someone chanting "Hail Xenu!".

    Why don't all the religions get a minute before the news? They could have a schedule: Catholic on Monday, Protestant on Tuesday, Muslim on Wednesday etc. :P

    You have to admit that it is an anachronism considering that not everyone in Ireland is Catholic anymore.


  • #79
    ihadu
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    yes the angelus at the end of the day is a national institution like the the National anthem at the end of the day. And who is it offending?

    no it's not.

    it doesn't offend me, how could it? what grinds my gears is that it is aired on tv before the main evening news. i'm all for crazy religious programming on crazy religious stations like on the Sky Box not on a national station where my children might see this abuse of the mind


  • #80
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Well when i was abroad people had their traditional call to prayer. respect the country you live in. never dictate.


  • #81
    Biggins
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    The Angelus is nothing more than a simple call to prayer like what would be normally done from the minarets of mosques.
    ...but why should it take repeatedly preference over the news, political broadcasts, etc.?
    Who says we aren't open to other peoples faiths?
    Some of our own natural Irish do. Some that I have spoken to anyway in my years of rambling this state. We say we are open but then daily at the dot of six - DONG!!! - there a reminder. Yep, you can have all the faiths you want but the Catholic one still takes preference here. Thats for me is not modern thinking or practise.
    Catholicism will motivate the cultural setting unless there is a change in religious belief in the mean time.
    Forgive my stupidity but I'm not sure what your trying to say here.
    (...been a long day LOL)
    There is a huge problem with the word progressive. What is progressive to me, might well be regressive to you.
    True, thus we debate and hopefully some day come to a good conclusion.
    Should we stop advertising bacon on television because it may offend Jews and Muslims?

    No but then again we shouldn't shove burgers in their faces as the states main diet at six every evening. :)


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  • #82
    philologos
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    Biggins wrote: »
    No but then again we shouldn't shove burgers in their faces as the states main diet at six every evening. :)

    But at five to six it's perfectly fine if someone advertises it as the states main diet :pac:


  • #83
    Biggins
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    But at five to six it's perfectly fine if someone advertises it as the states main diet :pac:

    :pac:

    Aye but not on a regular basis so much that to do so, is seen as possibly implying a message.

    Random ads which pop up once in a while are one thing - but one thing popping up all the time can be seen as a right pain in the backside.
    (Don't believe me? Just ask my wife! :D )


  • #84
    DominoDub
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    RTÉ privately welcome the delayed start time of the news in the belief that it gives viewers a chance to catch the headlines on BBC One, UTV or Sky News before switching back over to catch the start of Six One.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT%C3%89_News:_Six_One


  • #85
    Min
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    I say the angelus, its a nice short prayer and if a reminder to people that its 6pm or 12pm bothers people then that is good, it means they haven't much to worry about.


  • #86
    ynotdu
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    Pat Kenny(whom many on boards.ie call a plank(,I find him excellant as a radio broadcaster,bit awkward on TV at times though)
    He has always called it a "pause for prayer".I imagine in the case of agnostics,atheists,that would be time for reflection.
    I respect him a lot for that alone.
    I dont understand people who want to destroy everything that is part of our heritage as if ashamed of it?.
    you would begrudge one minuate to those who find comfort in it?but spend many minuates writing a post to condemn them:confused:


  • #87
    thelordofcheese
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    mobius42 wrote: »
    I wonder would people be so accepting of it, if it was a minute of the Adhan or a minute of someone chanting "Hail Xenu!".

    I would tune in for that, but only if it was acompanied by this image for the entire minute.


  • #88
    mike65
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    When Kenny was in the old 11-1pm slot he got a lot of stick for deceiding to re-Christen (!) the Angelus as a pause for prayer. The good old Catholic mothers of seven wrote in their droves.


  • #89
    Hagar
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    The simple truth is RTE don't actually have a News Dept at all.
    They play the Angelus for 1 minute so that they can take notes from the BBC News the read it out and pretend they have reporters.


  • #90
    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Hagar wrote: »
    The simple truth is RTE don't actually have a News Dept at all.
    They play the Angelus for 1 minute so that they can take notes from the BBC News the read it out and pretend they have reporters.
    how much foreign news does Rte use in their bulletin. Did anyone see that Big Story programme the other week. The one where Charlie Bird was sent to the Phillipines. RTE have a lot of foreign correspondents out there. Dont think they need the Angelus to be used as a buffer while they cog notes of the BBC. Angelus is there so people can take a minute to reflect on their busy day.


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  • #91
    Hagar
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    Did you hear a whooshing sound over your head?

    If I want to take a minute out of the day to reflect I will, I don't need any God botherers to tell me when to do it or how long to spend on it.


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