If Dublin was attacked by Nuclear weapon?

Mr Benevolent · 20-07-2009 09:25AM

I used to think you were cool darkman2.

Devious · 20-07-2009 09:28AM

darkman2 wrote: »

So you disagree we are a nation of cowards with our neutrality? - leech for our protection on the RAF and others? Are you proud of that?

Nah, you're right, mate - we should just pump billions into the defence forces, that'd be money well spent.

:rolleyes:

astrofool · 20-07-2009 09:41AM

I remember watching a show with a crazy guy who was security obsessed (he had his 3 be terrace house fully covered by CCTV and spent all day watching the monitors).

Anyway, not content with his CCTV + alarm + multi lock system, he was going to turn his en suite into a panic room.

Sales rep for the panic room seemed to be a bit amazed that he wanted one in his house, and quoted a price of £15,000+ (probably all his social welfare savings for a few years).

The funny thing was, the guy then went on to justify the price by saying:
"If you only use it once, then it will be worth it." Which of course, is true. If there was a situation whereby you were threatened, and HAD to use a panic room (presumably your house has been taken over by the taleban), then yes it would be worth it.

Back on topic, the cost of making Dublin/Ireland ready for a nuclear attack is so prohibitive, that the only way it could be justified would be if Dublin was definitely going to get attacked by a nuclear bomb. There is no plan in the world that would stop the city being blown up (answering: Does the Government have a strategy not to be blown to bits?).

I'd go as far to say that it would be cheaper to build a new country elsewhere. Our only hope in the event of a nuclear war (and the rest of Europe's) would be the US missile shield.

asdasd · 20-07-2009 09:41AM

Isreal has one on Dublin right now - do you know that? Because we are seen as the most anti semetic country in Europe of course.

Source. I googled Israel nuke on Dublin ( I know, I know!! I didnt need the 'on') and guess what I got - result 5 was from this thread. The rest was about Israel and Iran by people from Dublin .

So.... source?

Given the explosive power of todays nukes, even if we didn't get hit and England did, the radiation clouds carrying the ash, dirt and intergrated radiation, the whole of Ireland within weeks would be dosed anyway.

it depends on the prevailing winds.

asdasd · 20-07-2009 09:49AM

By the way, nobody entered the war to stop the holocaust, since it was not anticipated, and nobody entered the war to help the Jews. The Russians entered because they were invaded, the Americans because they were attacked by Japan, the UK for reasons to do with empire and maintaining equilibrium in Europe. It was definitely not a pro-Semitic, or anti-racist war. It would have been a bit of a mad enterprise for the British Empire, or for the American ( with it's Southern States) to engage in anti-racist wars. They would have had to attack themselves.

Dudess · 20-07-2009 09:50AM

darkman2 wrote: »

Yes because this country is anti semetic. They know we are. No point hiding it. We are the most anti semetic country in the EU. They don't like that.

Are "we"? You have statistics backing this up, correct? I'd imagine there's a tad more anti-Semitism in Slavic countries.

darkman2 wrote: »

I think you will find it is the government attitude to the jews and this country's behaviour during and after WW2 that makes us unliked by Isreal. And we are very unliked by Isreal. For good reason in fairness to them

Oh, so that's why "we" are anti-Semitic - a most flimsy reason. And not "good reason" either. What else is so hideously anti-Semitic about Irish society?

Seaneh wrote: »

it's only really you, bleeding heart emo kiddies, people who studied arts at college and sinn fein supporters who actually pretend to care about the Israeli occupation of Palastine.

"Actually pretend to care"... and then there are people who just... care. Not everyone who is sympathetic to the Palestinians' cause is only being so to get attention - I don't understand the cynicism when it comes to this particular issue. What I'd consider FAR more likely to be attention-seeking is sympathy for the Israeli government and militia.

Anyhoo, if there was a nuclear strike on Dublin, we'd be ****ed - even if the best possible survival plan was in place. There is no reversal (well maybe after a few hundred years) of the devastation caused by not only the initial blast but the aftermath.

asdasd · 20-07-2009 09:53AM

I think any country hit by an atomic bomb would tend to become a military dictatorship. It is either that, or anarchy.

asdasd · 20-07-2009 10:24AM

For the record here is some information on Israel's capabilities.

They certainly could hit Ireland, or anywhere, really, if that article is true.

WillieCocker · 20-07-2009 10:30AM

We don't need to worry, the IRA will sort them out afterwards.:pac:

thelordofcheese · 20-07-2009 10:41AM

asdasd wrote: »

For the record here is some information on Israel's capabilities.

They certainly could hit Ireland, or anywhere, really, if that article is true.

the question then arises "why"?

Like all conspiracy theories this one falls flat because there is no benefit to nuking us. We are not of any strategic worth, or capable of projecting our military power beyond our own borders with any great effect.

Despite darkman2's bullshit, there is nothing to be gained by nuking dublin, were Isreal ever in a position where they had to use their nuclear weapons they'd be best served by being deployed against the very real enemies they have on their borders, rather than against dublin for imagined slights and our alleged rampant anti-semitism

Anyway, as people have pointed out, nukes are used aginst cities, and dublins just a big town, they'll be fine.

asdasd · 20-07-2009 10:43AM

I agree.

In fact the claim that Israel has a nuke pointing at Dublin is possibly an anti-Semitic conspiracy on it's own.

piby · 20-07-2009 11:48AM

darkman2 wrote: »

Only one place in Ireland is going to be attacked by a Nuclear weapon and that is Dublin. If one hit what would the survival strategy be? Does the Government have a strategy not to be blown to bits? Everything is so centralised in Ireland that one strike would make the country impotent.
I do think the country should have a plan in case of a strike because the results will be terrifying.

Vid shows average Nuclear weapons - except for the last two - the first is "Dominic" - the second "Tsar" (biggest nuclear weapon ever detonated)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grAU34ATEms

Alot of these were tested on US soil but they discovered the colour of the sunset was changing so they swiftly moved tests to the Pacific....that is where the US' most powerful bomb "Dominic" was tested after the USSR detonated the Tsar bomb which has never been equalled. The shockwave was so severe it could be recorded on it's third passage around the globe and left the eco system in that part of the Artic in chaos since. Humans still cannot set foot on the blast site which measure's 100's of km's.

So if Dublin was attacked could it cope? Me, I very much doubt it. Some of the city would be intact but there is no real plan to deal with a nuclear emergency....is there?

Ah I've always loved the Tsar bomb!

IvyTheTerrible · 20-07-2009 12:25PM

Here is a very interesting New Scientist article about protecting yourself from a terrorist nuclear attack: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327163.900-is-your-city-prepared-for-a-homemade-nuke.html

It seems that hiding in a basement or the centre of a large building offers the best protection...

Capt'n Midnight · 21-07-2009 12:54AM

DublinWriter wrote: »

In the 1980's the Soviet Union actually had three sites pre-targeted in Ireland - Dublin, Belfast and Knock!

Snce they had a couple of thousand nukes Belfast is fairly obvious. And Dublin as a back up plan in case we thought about getting uppity

But Knock targeted in preference to Shannon or Bantry :eek:

Capt'n Midnight · 21-07-2009 01:09AM

asdasd wrote: »

I think any country hit by an atomic bomb would tend to become a military dictatorship. It is either that, or anarchy.

Or maybe the Liberal Democratic Party would stay in power for fifty years.

jumpguy · 21-07-2009 01:14AM

Ireland isn't and I doubt it ever would be a target for atomic, biological or chemical attack from a faction, country or terrorist organisation.

Hypotethically (sp) speaking, if a nuke of even two megatons hit Dublin, it would destroy the city, probably forever. Assuming it'd be detonated somewhere in the city center, everywhere within a radius of the center to the Wicklow mountains would be toast. Everyone in the center and near would be vapourized.

Realistically, our biggest nuclear concern would be an accident/incident in England. The fallout would do some serious damage. With our prevailing winds being from the south-west, our risk is somewhat lowered, if they stayed heading south-westerly (or anywhere not coming from the east) for a month or so we'd avoid the worst of it I'd say. Nonetheless, it would do serious damage. If the winds weren't in our favour (easterly), they'd nearly render the country uninhabitable.

Daroxtar · 21-07-2009 01:20AM

Dem jews killed jesus and now they want to blow up knock?:eek::eek::eek::eek:
Bad Basthurds

rossie1977 · 21-07-2009 01:28AM

firstly israel have never tested a nuclear weapon and there is no proof they even have one icbm let alone one targetted on dublin :pac:

P_1 · 21-07-2009 01:29AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Snce they had a couple of thousand nukes Belfast is fairly obvious. And Dublin as a back up plan in case we thought about getting uppity

But Knock targeted in preference to Shannon or Bantry :eek:

Why Bantry of all places?

I'd say the Soviets had nukes targeted at:
Belfast City
Belfast Airport AKA RAF Algergrove
Dublin City
Dublin Airport
Shannon Airport
Cork Airport
Knock Airport

Basically anywhere where NATO could have landed planes would have been a Soviet target and vice versa i assume.

Tyler MacDurden · 21-07-2009 01:32AM

Don't worry people, just remember to Duck & Cover.

Kirby · 21-07-2009 02:36AM

astrofool wrote: »

Our only hope in the event of a nuclear war (and the rest of Europe's) would be the US missile shield.

The idea of missiles flying through the air is so archaic and wrong.

Again, its alot easier to hire a boat or small plane to park next to a target and detonate. its so easy its sinful. Missile defence is just posturing. And whoever mentioned a 20 billion price tag is living in dream land. There have been hundreds of thousands of nuclear weapons built out there. Its alot easier to buy something, than to build it. Some mad extremist could just go into the black market and buy a nuke for 20 million and thats that. 20 billion? as if. As an irish person, its all theory as its unlikely we will be targeted directly, but don't be fooled into thinking it couldnt ever happen.

oppenheimer1 · 21-07-2009 02:50AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Out of curiosity, how much damage would a nuke cause?

Let's say one was dropped on O'Connell bridge, would I be okay in Tallaght?

Have you seen the damage a bomb can do? It could blow your face into the side of a tree...

oppenheimer1 · 21-07-2009 03:16AM

I guess the nuclear issue comes up every so often now and again, sure remember all those postcards we sent to Tony a few years ago, asking him to close Sellafield. At the moment no nuclear power has anything pointed at Ireland, including Israel. Although Ireland is technically neutral, I would be fairly confident that if push came to shove we would fall in line behind NATO. In a hypothetical war, there would be nothing to gain from invading Ireland, except to use it to act as a staging post to attack more significant targets. For this reason we generally can rely on others for our defence. We have nothing to fear from our neighbours as no democracy has ever invaded another democracy in history.

There was a mock-documentary about the effects of a nuclear disaster at Sellafield on RTE 2 years ago. It was called Fallout. It demonstrated that Dublin city could be evacuated, and all roads out would become one way. It would be madness, but sure it would work.

Back in the height of the Cold war, the government had bunkers around the country. I remember once catching an interview on Nationwide from someone who was in a council office that had been originally a bunker/fallout shelter.

Perhaps related, I don't know... but there used to be a rather 60's looking sign at Tara St. Station for a "Meeting Point for Evacuation by Train". Although unlikely does anyone know if that sign was originally part of the Dublin City Nuclear Evacuation Plan?

TomCo · 21-07-2009 05:50AM

Don't worry guys.
According to an obscure video game I played in the 90's, Dublin will have nuclear weapons by 2112.
This is indisputable fact based truth (that they don't what you to know about)!

http://www.balmoralsoftware.com/journey/journey.htm#2112%20NORAD%20VI

I think thats some pretty conclusive evidence right there.
Wake up sheeples.

galwayrush · 21-07-2009 08:06AM

We have nothing to worry about, in the event of the UK being hit, mrs radiation will of course respect our neutrality and not float anywhere near us.:rolleyes:

rossie1977 · 21-07-2009 09:30AM

astrofool wrote: »

I'd go as far to say that it would be cheaper to build a new country elsewhere. Our only hope in the event of a nuclear war (and the rest of Europe's) would be the US missile shield.

the missile shield like regans star wars program is nothing but sci-fi, having missles in poland and czech republic would give the states first strike though and thats why russia are so p*ssed off about it

Capt'n Midnight · 21-07-2009 10:53AM

pithater1 wrote: »

Why Bantry of all places?.

Fuel
also low population

If you target Knock then you have to target Baldonel

LOL at those who suggested that we would need to put mines under the N4 in case it could be used as a runway, it was much too small for cargo planes. Sweden have a long history of using planes that can operate on 500m of straight road which means they will always have a runway.

Capt'n Midnight · 21-07-2009 11:01AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

firstly israel have never tested a nuclear weapon and there is no proof they even have one icbm let alone one targetted on dublin :pac:

As long as you want to believe that there was no collusion between them and South Africa / Pakistan.

Israel have launched satellites, (westwards over the med. - so were orbiting in the opposite direction to everyone else, a collision with MIR or whatever would have been at 60Km/s ) And like every power that has launched a satellite since 1957 it proves you have mastered the hard bits like the booster and guidance. All you need then are a warhead and a heat shield.

faceman · 21-07-2009 11:08AM

If anyone was to nuke Dublin I doubt the M50 would look any different afterward.

Wertz · 21-07-2009 11:32AM

The only place in Ireland that has a remote chance of being nuked is Derry city.

You dubs can sleep safe in your beds and worry about more mundane crap like negative equity...

If Dublin was attacked by Nuclear weapon?

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