Irish Promotions' Thread Info & Results

IwWInfo · 14-07-2009 12:33PM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

I think you are being untruthful, you have not advertised here for a good while then you advertise here once recently. Then you come up with this story that someone tried to cancel your show, Hello this is Irish wrestling your not that important for some one to go out off there way to do that. If you were been professional you would say due to problems we are having not due to the fact someone tried canceling our show. Thats just a sympathy seeking line . Any way bottom line is i dont beleive you, i think this is a made up story so you don t have to make the effort off posting here no more.. ( my opinion i do have to post this up from time to time cause people forget im intitled to it )

Thats cool thats your opinion but its not due to problems we are having its due to a 3rd party thats why I said that, also if we just didnt want to make the effort we wouldnt post up the results after the show (just remembered if you check the IwW Forums we told people we wouldnt be advertising online months ago because of the same reason so it didnt just occur to me to make this up!), In regards to attendance no matter what figure I tell you I think you will just disagree & say I am lying like the way you do not believe what I said about online advertising.

slicus ricus · 14-07-2009 12:44PM

IwWInfo wrote: »

Thats cool thats your opinion but its not due to problems we are having its due to a 3rd party thats why I said that, also if we just didnt want to make the effort we wouldnt post up the results after the show, In regards to attendance no matter what figure I tell you I think you will just disagree & say I am lying like the way you do not believe what I said about online advertising.

Ok, so IwWInfo has gone to the bother of explaining to us all the reason why he is not advertising shows here, and yet Irish Stunner thinks he couldn't be bothered advertising shows here. I'm sorry Irish Stunner, but that just doesn't make sense. It's as much hassle to explain what he has explained as it is to advertise a show here. Also, I would well believe that people have called up venues like that, a fair bit of mudslinging has gone on in Irish Wrestling to say the least.

Another thing that doesn't make sense is why people are making an assumption on here that IwW are in trouble when there has been little or no evidence to suggest they are! To be honest, I wouldn't know either way but I havn't heard/ seen/ read anything that would suggest they are in any sort of trouble.

Bingo1 · 14-07-2009 12:53PM

Looks like we won't be getting the attendence figures for the IWW shows.

Is the recession affecting the turn-out at Irish wrestling shows?

The WWE still seem to sell out but I can't see the AWR selling out this time. I think
people might be more careful with their money. It's about four years since I've been
to a Irish based promotion. The one and only UCW show I went to has put me off ever since.

The recent write-ups on IWW in the Sunday Tribune and Dubliner Magazine and the RTE documentary showed that they only had about 50 people each night. Is this the norm?

I can't see how a promotion can make money unless they don't pay the
Irish wrestlers on the bill. Are the Irish wrestlers happy to wrestle for nothing?

I noticed on the recent IWW results there was only 6 wrestlers on the show and no sign of Joel Redman!

Is the 6 wrestlers a sign of the times or are IWW running out of wrestlers?

CMpunked · 14-07-2009 12:57PM

*Comments retracted.*

The Cannibal · 14-07-2009 01:46PM

So, IwW don't let anyone know they have any shows coming up on the slim possibility that someone may call the venue? Sounds counter productive.

I'd rather have a billion people know and chance 10 of them calling the venue then having no one know and getting an attendence that could have been so much better on the night.

I also doubt that posting show dates on the net has anything to do with someone calling the venue with a grudge, that's just someone with a grudge. Unless you are going to efforts not to advertise at all for fear of a phone call, then people are going to have the information at least some of the time.

CMpunked · 14-07-2009 01:59PM

*And again*

Irish Stunner · 14-07-2009 02:26PM

slicus ricus wrote: »

Ok, so IwWInfo has gone to the bother of explaining to us all the reason why he is not advertising shows here, and yet Irish Stunner thinks he couldn't be bothered advertising shows here. I'm sorry Irish Stunner, but that just doesn't make sense. It's as much hassle to explain what he has explained as it is to advertise a show here. Also, I would well believe that people have called up venues like that, a fair bit of mudslinging has gone on in Irish Wrestling to say the least.

Another thing that doesn't make sense is why people are making an assumption on here that IwW are in trouble when there has been little or no evidence to suggest they are! To be honest, I wouldn't know either way but I havn't heard/ seen/ read anything that would suggest they are in any sort of trouble.

what im doing is making the same nitt picking comments that was made on here against a company i think didnt deserve it. Comments like why are they doing shows on the southside if there called Northside, why did they use this ! sign in there advertising when they should off used this ? . So if people on here are allowed leave stupid argument comments why aint I ? ? ? ?
It does not matter if a company gives out its attendance records if your that interested go to the show and see for yourself how many are there . if the crowd is poor it does not mean the quality off wrestling is going to be poor i have seen some terrible shows that have had high attendances . im just doing what every one else does on here make stupid nitt picking comments that don t be revalent or make sence half the time ( my opinion once again just a reminder cause people seem to forget im intitled to it )

Irish Stunner · 14-07-2009 02:33PM

The Cannibal wrote: »

So, IwW don't let anyone know they have any shows coming up on the slim possibility that someone may call the venue? Sounds counter productive.

I'd rather have a billion people know and chance 10 of them calling the venue then having no one know and getting an attendence that could have been so much better on the night.

I also doubt that posting show dates on the net has anything to do with someone calling the venue with a grudge, that's just someone with a grudge. Unless you are going to efforts not to advertise at all for fear of a phone call, then people are going to have the information at least some of the time.

The attendane does not be better from advertising here to be honest, Northside advertise here no one except me from the forum goes , Iww advertised its last shows and no one from the forum went . ffpw Advertise and prob get two people from the forum, it seems to me people here just sit at the computers and talk bout shows they never attend. look at gerrys last show every one on here said they would go no one turned up except cannibal you have no right to talk about a companys show or attendance in irish wrestling if you have not been to at least one off its shows.

this is my opinion i have to remind people cause they sometimes forgert im intitled to it

Irish Stunner · 14-07-2009 02:44PM

Bingo1 wrote: »

Looks like we won't be getting the attendence figures for the IWW shows.

Is the recession affecting the turn-out at Irish wrestling shows?

The WWE still seem to sell out but I can't see the AWR selling out this time. I think
people might be more careful with their money. It's about four years since I've been
to a Irish based promotion. The one and only UCW show I went to has put me off ever since.

The recent write-ups on IWW in the Sunday Tribune and Dubliner Magazine and the RTE documentary showed that they only had about 50 people each night. Is this the norm?

I can't see how a promotion can make money unless they don't pay the
Irish wrestlers on the bill. Are the Irish wrestlers happy to wrestle for nothing?

I noticed on the recent IWW results there was only 6 wrestlers on the show and no sign of Joel Redman!

Is the 6 wrestlers a sign of the times or are IWW running out of wrestlers?

you were put off by a bad show 4 years ago ?????????????
hello a lot can change in four years give the talent out there a chance.

and once again just cause its only 50 people at a show does not mean the wrestling is bad .

how ever captain rooney what is this ?????????????
im sorry i just have a hatred for characters based on super heros, i like to see real charcters beleivable characters like when i was at a cpw show and john jennings walked bye me with a big thick chain i could see by looking at him he seemed like a real angry convict i could not get the same affect from captain rooney or sean south cause you just know there characters are not real.
Im not saying that John Jennings in real life is an actual convict but the believabilty was there , where as with other characters in irish wrestling its not .
Danny the pain was another character i belived could be real ( excuse my spellling i know its bad )

(this is my opinion i have to remind people off this cause they somtimes forget i am intitled to it )

slicus ricus · 14-07-2009 02:53PM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

what im doing is making the same nitt picking comments that was made on here against a company i think didnt deserve it. Comments like why are they doing shows on the southside if there called Northside, why did they use this ! sign in there advertising when they should off used this ? . So if people on here are allowed leave stupid argument comments why aint I ? ? ? ?

Irish Stunner wrote: »

im just doing what every one else does on here make stupid nitt picking comments that don t be revalent or make sence half the time ( my opinion once again just a reminder cause people seem to forget im intitled to it )

How is saying to a guy that you flat out don't believe his explanation/ answer (to a direct question you have asked) the same as saying someone should use a question mark instead of an exclamation mark?? The question mark thing is just being pedantic, what you did was tell the bloke you don't believe him and that he's talking bullsh*t!

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion. How do make it out that anyone forgets that? Everyone is entitled to disagree with everyone elses opinion if they so wish.

The Cannibal · 14-07-2009 03:52PM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

The attendane does not be better from advertising here to be honest, Northside advertise here no one except me from the forum goes , Iww advertised its last shows and no one from the forum went . ffpw Advertise and prob get two people from the forum, it seems to me people here just sit at the computers and talk bout shows they never attend. look at gerrys last show every one on here said they would go no one turned up except cannibal you have no right to talk about a companys show or attendance in irish wrestling if you have not been to at least one off its shows.

this is my opinion i have to remind people cause they sometimes forgert im intitled to it

Not from here no. Although most promoters seem to think online promoting these days is a post on boards.ie and a bebo page. It can be more.

IwW used to have a decent online support in 04/05 that would regularly attend the shows and discuss them on forums and such but they neglected to build on that and build a larger community and went down a completely different direction. UCW as well for a time had a thriving online community back in the Stevy Shaker days, big groups of those guys used to even come all the the way down from the north to watch south shows sometimes. After that, one blunder after another from collective Irish promotions killed off the online community. It would need to be built back up again by someone who has the competence to do it and the will to sustain it.

As for people online not attending Northside, as you've pointed out, their name is mud on here. They're not going to travel for a product they have no respect for.

Irish Stunner · 14-07-2009 05:36PM

The Cannibal wrote: »

Not from here no. Although most promoters seem to think online promoting these days is a post on boards.ie and a bebo page. It can be more.

IwW used to have a decent online support in 04/05 that would regularly attend the shows and discuss them on forums and such but they neglected to build on that and build a larger community and went down a completely different direction. UCW as well for a time had a thriving online community back in the Stevy Shaker days, big groups of those guys used to even come all the the way down from the north to watch south shows sometimes. After that, one blunder after another from collective Irish promotions killed off the online community. It would need to be built back up again by someone who has the competence to do it and the will to sustain it.

As for people online not attending Northside, as you've pointed out, their name is mud on here. They're not going to travel for a product they have no respect for.

Why is there name mud cause gerry told you so and cause littleman agreed with him.
come on leave your computer and catch a show make your opinion on the show talent and not the backstage crap that does be talked about by promoters trying to destroy other promoters.

i heard Fergal Devitt was hospitalised in japan on promoters orders for disrespecting the business and refusing to loose a match it didnt make me boycott n.w.a ireland shows and tell everyone not to go to them.
point been dont beleive everything you hear cause chances are its only half true if even that.

The Cannibal · 14-07-2009 05:50PM

Their name is mud because of their business practices. I doubt Thunder and Lightning would ever have done what they did if CJ didn't put them up to it which shows him to be hugely unproffesional. I was at that show, so I saw everything that happened.

They held onto a belt that didn't belong to them for a long time before returning it. They don't even own the ancient ring that they use officially.

As for attending a show, I doubt there will be one for a long time since he is in New Jersey all summer, but even at that I have pretty much seen everybody that he uses on his roster at least once live. Maybe if they did a show within 20 minutes of me I'd go, but I wouldn't travel for them.

littleman · 14-07-2009 06:12PM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

Why is there name mud cause gerry told you so and cause littleman agreed with him.
come on leave your computer and catch a show make your opinion on the show talent and not the backstage crap that does be talked about by promoters trying to destroy other promoters.

i heard Fergal Devitt was hospitalised in japan on promoters orders for disrespecting the business and refusing to loose a match it didnt make me boycott n.w.a ireland shows and tell everyone not to go to them.
point been dont beleive everything you hear cause chances are its only half true if even that.

Hang on a min,i agree with gerry,you must be mad,ill let you in on a little secret,ive worked as security for gerry and for cj and i was security when thunder and lighting won the title right until they walked out,so dont tell me im agreein with someone when ive got my own opinions.

orestes · 14-07-2009 06:32PM

CMpunked wrote: »

I think we should all find out where IwW are doing their shows and call the venues and ask to have them pulled. :rolleyes:

Lets show our power!!! :cool::cool::cool:

CMpunked wrote: »

IWW need to have a look at this:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080318163917AAgRuZs

Drop it. If you want to discuss IWW do so in a reasonable manner do so, but that kind of thing isn't on.

CMpunked · 14-07-2009 09:14PM

I am, these are my personal views. I have a personal reason that i dislike IwW, and i could be saying a heck of a lot worse, if you want me to tone it down then fine, i'll retract the posts.

FFPW_Dean · 14-07-2009 09:30PM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

i heard Fergal Devitt was hospitalised in japan on promoters orders for disrespecting the business and refusing to loose a match

Just to clear that up, completely false information, Devitt is the top jnr heavyweight gaijin in NJPW, and he didn't get there by being unprofessional.
Heck he lost the IWGP junior heavyweight tag team titles with no problems. . . twice.
Please refrain from spreading utter utter lies about the top pro wrestler to ever come from this country just to make an argument.

slicus ricus · 14-07-2009 10:16PM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

Why is there name mud cause gerry told you so and cause littleman agreed with him.
come on leave your computer and catch a show make your opinion on the show talent and not the backstage crap that does be talked about by promoters trying to destroy other promoters.

Their name is mud here because everyone here knows about the things their owner has done in the past. I would even go so far as to say that a lot of people on here have witnessed some of these things first hand!

Irish Stunner wrote: »

i heard Fergal Devitt was hospitalised in japan on promoters orders for disrespecting the business and refusing to loose a match

That is one of the most ridiculous things i've ever read on boards.ie!! Seriously, where in the blue hell did you hear that one? Everyone knows Devitt is a true professional who has never disrespected the business. For example, when he was running nwa ireland along with Paul Tracey, he never put the nwa ireland belt on himself and he regularly put over guys he had trained. Check the results from a few years ago if you don't believe me.

CMpunked wrote:

I have a personal reason that i dislike IwW

Is that a personal reason in the sense that you just don't want to share it? Or is it personal in the sense that the promotion or one/some of its members did something to you personally that you are unhappy about?

CMpunked · 15-07-2009 12:00AM

slicus ricus wrote: »

Is that a personal reason in the sense that you just don't want to share it? Or is it personal in the sense that the promotion or one/some of its members did something to you personally that you are unhappy about?

A little bit of both.

I'm not going to get into it cos it would just be bringing up something from the past and i know the person wont be able to defend themselves.

As a whole i guess i also kinda feel a little let down by IwW, here was a great promotion which had european recognition for their hard work and a number of times a few people who (admittently) werent involved with the business, but in the line of entertainment promotions, gave them some advice which was ignored.

Now they are where they are and if they had done things right at the height of their sucess they would be still there.

flahavaj · 15-07-2009 12:11AM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

i heard Fergal Devitt was hospitalised in japan on promoters orders for disrespecting the business and refusing to loose a match it didnt make me boycott n.w.a ireland shows and tell everyone not to go to them.
point been dont beleive everything you hear cause chances are its only half true if even that.

You may be only giving an example but posting such tripe about Fergal doesn't do yourself, or this forum any favours.

orestes · 15-07-2009 02:35AM

CMpunked wrote: »

I am, these are my personal views. I have a personal reason that i dislike IwW, and i could be saying a heck of a lot worse,

I don't care for your personal reasons, if you can't discuss things reasonably then don't engage in the debate, I will not let you use this forum to air some kind of personal grudge.

Irish Stunner · 15-07-2009 11:20AM

flahavaj wrote: »

You may be only giving an example but posting such tripe about Fergal doesn't do yourself, or this forum any favours.

I didnt make it up as an example , the story i heard was fergal Devitt was beat up in the locker room after a show by a few guys with baseball bats for disrepecting the business this is what i was told and around the time on fergals bebo page he said he was in hospital this is what i heard so its up to you beleive it if you want to but dont shoot the messanger cause you don t like the message.

Irish Stunner · 15-07-2009 11:28AM

FFPW_Dean wrote: »

Just to clear that up, completely false information, Devitt is the top jnr heavyweight gaijin in NJPW, and he didn't get there by being unprofessional.
Heck he lost the IWGP junior heavyweight tag team titles with no problems. . . twice.
Please refrain from spreading utter utter lies about the top pro wrestler to ever come from this country just to make an argument.

I am not spreading lies i am spreading rumour. like everyone else on here does i told you a rumour i heard and yous all jump defensively on it which makes me think it must be true . when everyone on here spreads dirt bout cj he does not even reply cause he knows its not true so why bother replying to it .
im not on boards to agree and make friends im here to stick up for the promotion i beleive is the best around .
so yous can all agree with each other and hold hands and be great friends on here .
but i am not here to make friends

flahavaj · 15-07-2009 11:30AM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

I didnt make it up as an example , the story i heard was fergal Devitt was beat up in the locker room after a show by a few guys with baseball bats for disrepecting the business this is what i was told and around the time on fergals bebo page he said he was in hospital this is what i heard so its up to you beleive it if you want to but dont shoot the messanger cause you don t like the message.

Unless you have any hard evidence or sources you can link to confirm this you'd probably be better off keeping unsubstantiated gossip where it belongs, in the gutter.

If he had done what you're alleging I doubt he'd still be getting booked by New Japan, not to mind getting the push of a lifetime into the finals of BOSJ and a feud against a legend like Kanemoto. As for him being injured, he's a wresler for God's sake they get injured all the time, in fact his last long term injury happened during a match, you can even pinpint the moment it happens in-ring. But thats not half as entertaining a story for you and your friends to gossip about as a Yakuza beatdown now is it?:rolleyes:

Irish Stunner wrote: »

I am not spreading lies i am spreading rumour. like everyone else on here does i told you a rumour i heard and yous all jump defensively on it which makes me think it must be true . when everyone on here spreads dirt bout cj he does not even reply cause he knows its not true so why bother replying to it .
im not on boards to agree and make friends im here to stick up for the promotion i beleive is the best around .
so yous can all agree with each other and hold hands and be great friends on here .
but i am not here to make friends

I don't even need to argue with you when you're quite capable of digging a nice deep hole for yourself all on your own. Unbelievable.

slicus ricus · 15-07-2009 12:41PM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

I am not spreading lies i am spreading rumour. like everyone else on here does i told you a rumour i heard and yous all jump defensively on it which makes me think it must be true . when everyone on here spreads dirt bout cj he does not even reply cause he knows its not true so why bother replying to it .
im not on boards to agree and make friends im here to stick up for the promotion i beleive is the best around .
so yous can all agree with each other and hold hands and be great friends on here .
but i am not here to make friends

Rumour when you have absolutely no proof and lies = the same thing. The reason people jump on it defensively is because we all respect what Fergal has achieved and the manner in which he has done so. Anyone who has met the guy (wrestler or fan) would tell you how professionally he conducts himself; it's no coincidence that you never hear a bad word spoken about him by wrestlers or fans! I'm sure people read this forum who know nothing about irish wrestling and will read that utter tripe you've posted and actually believe it... that's the bad thing about this.

I havn't read one word of a lie on this thread about the promotion you believe is the best around or person everyone supposedly "spreads dirt bout".

Irish Stunner · 15-07-2009 12:55PM

slicus ricus wrote: »

Rumour when you have absolutely no proof and lies = the same thing. The reason people jump on it defensively is because we all respect what Fergal has achieved and the manner in which he has done so. Anyone who has met the guy (wrestler or fan) would tell you how professionally he conducts himself; it's no coincidence that you never hear a bad word spoken about him by wrestlers or fans! I'm sure people read this forum who know nothing about irish wrestling and will read that utter tripe you've posted and actually believe it... that's the bad thing about this.

I havn't read one word of a lie on this thread about the promotion you believe is the best around or person everyone supposedly "spreads dirt bout".

that somes this forum up in one you tell people about a rumour you have heard and you get crucified.
Im sorry yous all have such strong feelings for Fergal but this is what i heard and for anyone who is reading this page for the first time this is only a RUMOUR i have heard so dont go starting your very own we hate Fergal Devitt websites.
Been honest i never heard of Fergal untill this rumour and never heard anything about him after it . But please go on to tell me all the dirt you have witnessed 1st hand by C.J Summers make a list for me please .

slicus ricus · 15-07-2009 02:08PM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

But please go on to tell me all the dirt you have witnessed 1st hand by C.J Summers make a list for me please .

No thanks, i'm not in the business of spreading information about people. If you want to know more about Mr. Summers, I suggest you call that number he gave you.

The point I was making was that nobody on this thread was spreading farcical stories about the guy that they heard from some mysterious source!

Irish Stunner · 15-07-2009 04:57PM

slicus ricus wrote: »

No thanks, i'm not in the business of spreading information about people. If you want to know more about Mr. Summers, I suggest you call that number he gave you.

The point I was making was that nobody on this thread was spreading farcical stories about the guy that they heard from some mysterious source!

you must not have any source to back the negitave things you heard about cj up cause if you had info to back them you would have no problem telling them to me. I would seem a bit weird if i rang that number and said hey some guy on boards.ie said you did lots off bad things in your wrestling career can you tell me what they are please.

Who is your mysterious source on the cj information someone like littleman or gerry soul ? ? ?

littleman · 15-07-2009 05:11PM

Irish Stunner wrote: »

you must not have any source to back the negitave things you heard about cj up cause if you had info to back them you would have no problem telling them to me. I would seem a bit weird if i rang that number and said hey some guy on boards.ie said you did lots off bad things in your wrestling career can you tell me what they are please.

Who is your mysterious source on the cj information someone like littleman or gerry soul ? ? ?

You dont need a source just look at his talent he has know one wants to wokf for them and he wont let his talent work elsewhere so while hes of in the states whats his talent doing,nothing,and dont tell me he brings his talent abroad cuase he only brought insano and his ref with him so i think that shows how much he cares bout his talent and how bad northside is and i wont be saying anymore on northside

Irish Stunner · 15-07-2009 05:33PM

littleman wrote: »

You dont need a source just look at his talent he has know one wants to wokf for them and he wont let his talent work elsewhere so while hes of in the states whats his talent doing,nothing,and dont tell me he brings his talent abroad cuase he only brought insano and his ref with him so i think that shows how much he cares bout his talent and how bad northside is and i wont be saying anymore on northside

hello were living in a resession not everyone unlike you have 300 euro to pay for one training session .
not everyone has a job .
and i think there would be a law against two seventeen year olds traveling to america to wrestle without parental consent and do you think parents can afford to send there sons to america for the summer.

I would say everyone at Northside has the opertunity to work abroad just the way the finincal situation is now at the min they cant afford it .

The oppertunity i would say is there , just a lot off people cant take advantage off it due to money problems.

Do you personally think Northsides talent are bad wrestlers answer that question ? ?

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