Enough is enough

No harm dreaming of a better/safer world for our children, i think worse than thinking of sterilizing them is thinking that we have to accept this and be at the mercy of these pricks.

So many times i would love a fcuking gun

They are waste of space, they have no place in society. Its been said before you need a licence for a dog, yet any scumbag can have kids and so the cycle continues, they are a breed of their own.

I think i can safely assume the OP has first hand experience of the devastation these fcukers cause day after day?

I have a few friends in the gardai and have seen them work tirelessly on cases to get them put away they put in the hours and sweat and tears and some fcuking judge or technicality lets them walk

Must be so disheartening.

DubMedic wrote: »

Do you believe it's time to introduce even more tougher measures to deal with the type of criminal scumbag in this country that roam our streets under the influence of illegal substances and prey on innocent people to fund their habits?.

Personally, I believe one huge super prison should be built just off the coast and these lowlife, criminal scumbags ( face it it's what they are ) , should be rounded up and put in there, along with the crime bosses.

That way , we would have less of a drain on our society's social welfare budget, they would be out of harm's way , and our hospitals would be free for people who actually have health problems, not cuts and bruises from being in scuffles over a drug deal that went sour.

It would cost less in the long-term to put all these people in there and I could pretty much guarantee that the crime rate would drop. That out of the way we could then clean up our streets and tackle the issue of drink driving and road deaths. The roads would be better, prostitution could then be tackled.. smuggling, firearms offenses and a better standard of life would then ensue.

Homelessness could be tackled also, the true homelessness , people who have actually lost their homes for reasons beyond their control.

We could then open universities for the children that actually want to go somewhere in life, educate them into providing an efficient and effective health service, and contribute to helping ill/disabled people's lives become better.

Getting rid of the drains on society is the only way to go, not taxing the people who actually work for their money, the people who are actually out there working for a better Ireland, for a society that their kids can grow up healthy & safe in , achieve an education , and be happy.

/end rant. Anyone agree?.

Mods, feel free to move/edit as appropriate.

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Ah, the echos of Nuremberg.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Every time i hear that i really wish the person saying it would stop and think about how fucking stupid a sentiment it is.

How is it stupid?


Its easier for a dog warden to come in and take my dog off me if he thinks i am ill treating him than for a social worker to take my kids off me and get them to safety if i am battering them and neglecting them, and thats a sad fact of life.

Trinity wrote: »

I have a few friends in the gardai and have seen them work tirelessly on cases to get them put away they put in the hours and sweat and tears and some fcuking judge or technicality lets them walk

Your friends should work more diligently and less tirelessly.

It's much more expensive to send and keep a scumbag in prison than it is to keep them on the dole.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

You're basically saying the state should decided who should and shouldn't have children, this is such a horrible idea i don't even know where to begin.
The right to have children is a basic human one and should never be denied.

And don't for one second believe that you'd fair any better on a parenthood test than 'scum'. How to raise a child is one of the most debated and murky of issues. Don't be so blindly arrogant to assume you would, will or are doing a better job or even a good one.

The licence thing was just an expressionn ffs, course if there was more justice in the world the authorities would have the power to take the children in danger away from them.

My reply was so long i got logged off so i am not re-typing it so i will shorten it a bit to say even for after hours you are bang out of order comparing my parenting skills to that of a scum bag that walks the streets terrorising people, robbing them, stabbing them etc. Cant leave your car parked, cant walk home cos they would batter you quicker than look at you to take your mobile phone

Cos thats the type of scum i am talking about. I dont regard people with an addiction as scum, i lost my childhood friend to drugs and she was a good mother, harmed no-one but her self

But i am talking about real scum that neglect their children. Its the basic rights of children to be loved, be fed, clothed and be kept safe and secure. I am far from perfect, miles in fact but my kids at least get that much. So in regards to faring better than the scum on the test i am already miles ahead.

If the scum are doing that fair dues to them, but i am referring to the ones wheeling the kids around in the pram while out of their faces, dipping peoples purses (happened to me in fact), hiding their drugs in buggies, and murky and debatable as parenting is, do you really mean to tell me that this is in any way shape or form good parenting??

seriously i've grown up in an area over run with scum, and it gets worse with every generation,so dont put me in the same category as them as a mother

my kids are here with me now warm fed clothed and loved, anything after that is up to the individual. But i try to at least teach them the difference between right and wrong and hurting people is wrong, robbing people is wrong, so hopefully it will stick wit them and there are 2 less scumbags in the world due to my eh bad parenting.

Now I have developed a thick skin on boards over 3 years, can ignore the rape and paedo jokes, take it on the chin when someone knocks my opinion cos its different than someone elses, but what is not up for discussion or debate is MY children or MY parenting. Thats making it personal. Very personal.

TheZohan wrote: »

I don't think it's a stupid sentiment at all. In fact it's quite reasonable.

What's the proposal? That we should introduce a child licence, available to over 16s at the post office for a few euro?

dvpower wrote: »

What's the proposal? That we should introduce a child licence, available to over 16s at the post office for a few euro?

No its that the ****ers do time for their crime in the first instance.


Failing that its that children whose parents are too stoned or busy out beating some 76 yr old and stealing his pension for the next fix, to feed and care for them be monitored closely and if the child is in any danger that the authorities be given more power to remove the children from a dangerous environment.

Not all addicts are scum and thiefs and not all scum are addicts but ffs there are some nasty b*stards out there.

What do you propose - that we turn a blind eye? Ah nothing we can do sure. Let them off, not our problem. Til your grandmother gets mugged and beaten.

Ok the OP was a rant, OTT and this is after hours after all.

Its only when it affects you personally like the OP that people start to give a fcuk, we are nazi's cos we think we should be able to walk our streets in safety :rolleyes:


The cnuts get away with murder, literally.

Trinity wrote: »

No its that the ****ers do time for their crime in the first instance.

I don't think anyone is saying criminals should not be imprisoned.

Failing that its that children whose parents are too stoned or busy out beating some 76 yr old and stealing his pension for the next fix, to feed and care for them be monitored closely and if the child is in any danger that the authorities be given more power to remove the children from a dangerous environment.

Not all addicts are scum and thiefs and not all scum are addicts but ffs there are some nasty b*stards out there.

And maybe, just maybe, the law should be able to express nuance to reflect this fact?

What do you propose - that we turn a blind eye? Ah nothing we can do sure. Let them off, not our problem.

Straw man.

Til your grandmother gets mugged and beaten.p.

Appeal to emotion (fear).

Ok the OP was a rant, OTT

No shit.

and this is after hours after all.

So...we're not being serious?

Its only when it affects you personally like the OP that people start to lose the plot, we are nazi's cos we think we people should be locked up at the drop of a hat as well as advocating that other, more insidious, punishments be meted out.

Yeah, I thought I'd just...fix that.

The cnuts get away with murder, literally.

And two wrongs naturally make a right.

thelordofcheese wrote: »

You're basically saying the state should decided who should and shouldn't have children, this is such a horrible idea i don't even know where to begin.
The right to have children is a basic human one and should never be denied.

And don't for one second believe that you'd fair any better on a parenthood test than 'scum'. How to raise a child is one of the most debated and murky of issues. Don't be so blindly arrogant to assume you would, will or are doing a better job or even a good one.

Oh they can have kids, after they pay 200 euro for a state parentng course which they must pass and then pay 300 euro for each antidote to the the the mandatory contraceptive for everyone.

No more accidentally getting preggers..

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

America has a prison culture. If I recall correctly, it's something like 1 in every 50 americans have been in prison. And they still have a high crime rate. And in countries with strict sharia law, they cut the hands on people for stealing, and yet people still steal.

Severe punishments do not stop crimes.

Invest all that money in parenting classes that show parents how to instill self-discipline in their kids, and the kids will more likely grow up as productive members of society. The key to crime reduction is to raise our kids better, not wait for them to commit a crime as adults and stick them in a prison at societies expense.

That maybe the case if the parents themselves are productive members of society and actually give a boolox about how their kids turn out

i've done 3 courses and i still get it wrong

But i tell you one thing example sets example

My now ex wanted me to hit my son, my family want me to hit my son, his principal wants me to hit him, to teach him that anger and temper tantrums is not the answer to his problems.

Well he got a smack off my ex and he said to me "so he is hitting me to show me that hitting others is wrong and wont solve my problems that doesnt make sense?"

From the mouths of babes how simple his logic, hes 9, and wiser than half the assholes i know.