Recommend me a Lyle McDonald book

DamienH · 10-07-2009 06:59PM #1

I've done a bit of searching and I think that most people agree Mr. McD knows what he's on about as regards eating. I'm eating pretty well at the moment (fruit, tonne of veg, meat, fish and carbs after exercise) but I think I'd benefit a bit more from actually having a bit of structure to my eating. I weigh about 18.5 stone at the moment so I've got a good bit of fat to lose. I'm looking for a recommendation just due to the amount of books the guy has written, some seem to be geared towards body builders which isn't really what I'm after, I do basic strength training.Training is usually 4/5 days a week, and consists of compounds + crossfit/kb cardio work.

Thanks for any replies anyway, hopefully someone will know the score.

edit: Is semi-skimmed milk okay to be drinking? At the moment I drink about 3/4 pints a day, mostly because I work in a bar and it's easy to have in a hurry. Sometimes I'll drop a scoop of protein in if I'm feeling crazy

EileenG · 10-07-2009 08:36PM

The Ketogenic Diet is the bible for bodybuilders who want to cut on low carbs.

Also worth reading is "The Ultimate Diet 2.0" but not until you are getting way down the bodyfat percentages.

If you have a lot to lose, "The Rapid Fat Loss Diet" is about protein sparing modified fast, which is the least fun diet you can do, but does work.

However, if you go to http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=61, you'll find a lot about CKD diets for lifters. Or go to Lyle's one website,

www.bodyrecomposition.com/ and ask questions. Just read stickies before you do. Lyle will answer good questions, but he'll tear stripes off you for stupid ones.

Racy · 10-07-2009 09:53PM

Eileen just wrote a very good rundown of his books, one of his best is a guide to flexible dieting but remember NONE of his books are typical, they are not filled with recipes and food plans he'll just tell you how to structure your diet, how many grams of carb/fat/protein and when. He is in my opinion one of the best out there, I have read most of his books and am currently doing UD2 and I am getting results

I think you should get the rapid fat loss diet book and a guide to flexible dieting imho

EileenG · 10-07-2009 10:07PM

Racy wrote: »

NONE of his books are typical, they are not filled with recipes and food plans he'll just tell you how to structure your diet, how many grams of carb/fat/protein and when.

That's one of the things I like. I find about one recipe a book that's actually worth trying once, and usually not repeating. I can make up my own recipes, I like good basic information.

Racy · 10-07-2009 10:12PM

EileenG wrote: »

That's one of the things I like. I find about one recipe a book that's actually worth trying once, and usually not repeating. I can make up my own recipes, I like good basic information.

The first book i read of his i was a little disappointed that there was no recipes purely because i can not cook. It's doesn't bother me anymore though because i have improved, ever so slightly ha ha

Patto · 10-07-2009 11:05PM

I've read and applied both the rapid fat loss and the UD2.0.

They both work and I maintained my strength and muscle mass through both. I was able to maintain my conditioning with UD2.0. I lost a bit of conditioning with the RFL as doing high intensity training without any carbs is a no go. The RFL works quicker (1-2lb a week for me), hence the name. The best I got out of the UD2.0 was 1lb a week and that took a while to dial in. For me 2lb is 1% bf, so to go from 15% to 10% bf was a 10 week project. I'm back up to 12%-14% now. I'll go back to UD2.0 in the close season, taking Christmas into account it will probably take 3 months to get to 8%.

If you are above 15% UD2.0 isn't much use, you can get down to 15% as quickly with a good clean diet. The fatter you are the easier it is to loose body fat. Read the books, its very interesting and Lyle explains it much better than I.

celestial · 11-07-2009 03:16AM

DamienH wrote: »

I've done a bit of searching and I think that most people agree Mr. McD knows what he's on about as regards eating. I'm eating pretty well at the moment (fruit, tonne of veg, meat, fish and carbs after exercise) but I think I'd benefit a bit more from actually having a bit of structure to my eating. I weigh about 18.5 stone at the moment so I've got a good bit of fat to lose. I'm looking for a recommendation just due to the amount of books the guy has written, some seem to be geared towards body builders which isn't really what I'm after, I do basic strength training.Training is usually 4/5 days a week, and consists of compounds + crossfit/kb cardio work.

Thanks for any replies anyway, hopefully someone will know the score.

edit: Is semi-skimmed milk okay to be drinking? At the moment I drink about 3/4 pints a day, mostly because I work in a bar and it's easy to have in a hurry. Sometimes I'll drop a scoop of protein in if I'm feeling crazy

Hey dude,

Wow, that's a huge surprise to me that you are over 18 stone, from your log I would have thought you were a strong wiry 11 stone!

I'll level with you - if you are not 18 stone of pure unadulderated muscle then Lyle's books are of limited use to you outside of pure research/knowledge about diet/physiology. I have his 'ketogenic diet' book, which I bought for pure research purposes, and it is not for the faint hearted:).

If you are after a structured, reliable approach to fat loss then you should simply start a diet log on here- log everything you eat every day - absolutely everything - and you will get a clear picture of where you might make improvements and where you can achieve progress.

At your weight really and truly all you need to do is cut out 90% of junk food, moderate your portion sizes and the fat will fly off you - that much I absolutely promise you.

Will Heffernan · 11-07-2009 09:23AM

DamienH wrote: »

I've done a bit of searching and I think that most people agree Mr. McD knows what he's on about as regards eating. I'm eating pretty well at the moment (fruit, tonne of veg, meat, fish and carbs after exercise) but I think I'd benefit a bit more from actually having a bit of structure to my eating. I weigh about 18.5 stone at the moment so I've got a good bit of fat to lose. I'm looking for a recommendation just due to the amount of books the guy has written, some seem to be geared towards body builders which isn't really what I'm after, I do basic strength training.Training is usually 4/5 days a week, and consists of compounds + crossfit/kb cardio work.

Thanks for any replies anyway, hopefully someone will know the score.

edit: Is semi-skimmed milk okay to be drinking? At the moment I drink about 3/4 pints a day, mostly because I work in a bar and it's easy to have in a hurry. Sometimes I'll drop a scoop of protein in if I'm feeling crazy

He was only here a little while ago...you should have come to the seminar and bugged the **** out of him.

The Guide to Flexible Dieting sounds like what you're after...it'll give you a broad overview of dieting strategies.

DamienH · 11-07-2009 01:13PM

Thanks for all the replies, much appreciated. Think I'll go for the flexible dieting.

And for the record i'm pretty sure I've never been 11 stone

recharge · 11-07-2009 03:45PM

Lads where do ye get his books, Done a google search and seen prices over $100?????? Is that right, seems a bit pricey!! Can they be got in Ireland?

Racy · 11-07-2009 04:10PM

Get them from bodyrecomposition.com it's his website, they are printed to order so they are pricey enough but they are worth it and it's full of good information no crappy filler

DamienH · 11-07-2009 06:14PM

Ya $100 is a bit steep alright, that's why I was looking for a recommendation.

Zamboni · 11-07-2009 06:22PM

I don't usually condone it but I was searching for one of his earlier books and I found a free downloadable pdf of RFL.

DM-BM · 11-07-2009 06:57PM

$100 wtf?

Any books I bought cost $39.95 + aprox $15 shipping, works out about about €40ish.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/store

EileenG · 11-07-2009 07:10PM

With a lot of weight to lose, the Rapid Fatloss book might be what you need. It is tough, but does assume that you exercise and lift regularly, so it allows for carb-ups and refeeds.

18 stone could be really ripped. You can't go just by weight.

recharge · 14-07-2009 11:37AM

Just draging this up again shortly,

I bought one of his online ebooks the other day and its fairly intresting reading. I also got myself a set of scales to try start tracking my food until i get a better idea of whats going in my mouth and how much of it,

My question is were on line could i get a handy easy and simple calorie counter?? is there and sites you guys know about?? For example i had 220grams of chicken breast last night and want to find out what nutrition would be in that much chicken so i can log it, Im new to this sort of dieting so finding it hard to stay on top of it at the moment.

I done a google search and most results were a bit complicated and american based.

Thanks!

celestial · 14-07-2009 11:41AM

EileenG wrote: »

With a lot of weight to lose, the Rapid Fatloss book might be what you need. It is tough, but does assume that you exercise and lift regularly, so it allows for carb-ups and refeeds.

18 stone could be really ripped. You can't go just by weight.

Seeing as he said he has a good bit of fat to lose I'm guessing it ain't a ripped 18 stone

EileenG · 14-07-2009 01:42PM

recharge wrote: »

it,

My question is were on line could i get a handy easy and simple calorie counter?? is there and sites you guys know about?? For example i had 220grams of chicken breast last night and want to find out what nutrition would be in that much chicken so i can log it, Im new to this sort of dieting so finding it hard to stay on top of it at the moment.

I done a google search and most results were a bit complicated and american based.

Thanks!

www.fitday.com is handy, but a lot of the food values are American. Just about anything you buy here has a nutrition panel on it that tells you the nutrition of the food. Just weigh out the amount you are going to cook, and then calculate out that amount. Some, like Tesco, will even tell you the typical nutrition value for the food when cooked, but it's normally for the raw food.

What you can do is spent about 20 minutes entering the things you eat most into Fitday as custom foods. Then when you go on, you can find them straight away and they will work out the calories for you.

The things that I find most different are things like steak, Irish steak is usually leaner, and vegetables and nuts.

recharge · 15-07-2009 12:55PM

Thanks eileen, joined up last night and slowly finding my way around the site,

Get all of mey meat frest fron the butchers latly and unfortunly they dont come with a lable so thats where i was loosing it.

EileenG · 15-07-2009 03:39PM

Then go into Tesco or M&S or some other supermarket that does decent labels, and make a note of the values for whatever cut of meat you usually get. Round steak is round steak whether it comes from the butcher or Dunnes.

Recommend me a Lyle McDonald book

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