IRA issue threat to Dublin Drug gang

bug · 08-07-2009 12:48AM

Look lads, the Herald hype has been believed.

Everyone dislikes the IRA killers, yay for diplock courts for gangland criminals.
Boards snapshots general public opinion once again.

the government smiles and enforces law.

Happy days.

newstar · 08-07-2009 12:48AM

Wayne Doherty was not a scum bag but all drug dealers are and yes they should get what they deserve.

Poccington · 08-07-2009 12:52AM

**** the drug dealing, murdering scum that continue to try and ruin communities in Ireland and most definitely **** the IRA in all it's entities.

Hopefully, they'll all get what's coming to them someday.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 08-07-2009 12:55AM

Perestroika wrote: »

Another theory. A rubbish one. No evidence, its up to you.

No evidence against.

Surely the PIRA would have done their level best to prove otherwise.... Why didnt they? Perhaps they didnt care for their image.

marco murphy · 08-07-2009 01:02AM

Jaxton Embarrassed Leg wrote: »

No evidence against.

Surely the PIRA would have done their level best to prove otherwise.... Why didnt they? Perhaps they didnt care for their image.

Like the lads who were beaten and jailed for trying to take Viper Foley off the streets?

marco murphy · 08-07-2009 01:03AM

Jaxton Embarrassed Leg wrote: »

No evidence against.

Surely the PIRA would have done their level best to prove otherwise.... Why didnt they? Perhaps they didnt care for their image.

You are the accuser, the burden is on you to provide evidence.

dlofnep · 08-07-2009 01:05AM

ScumLord wrote: »

Anyone that was involved in the drugs trade in Ireland in the 90s will tell you the IRA where at the top of the ladder and not just in this country. I don't see why any of those involved would give up that money, especially now that they've nothing better to do doing.

So you were involved in the drug trade in the 90's?

Either that, or you're going on some hearsay nonsense that your drunk uncle told you one night over a game of scrabble.

In closing, it's BS. No one is claiming the PIRA were saints, but drug-dealers they were not. And until you can provide evidence to suggest that the PIRA was somehow on top of some drugs-ladder, your comments carry no weight.

120_Minutes · 08-07-2009 01:05AM

I took a different view on this:

the country is ****ed, no one has money, gangland crime is on the rise, powers that be are unwilling or unable to do anything about it (bar the typical knee jerk reactions) I'm sure there are plenty of people out there willing to "forget" the IRA's past if a few less scumbags are on the streets. this new breed of scumbag knows no fear and the IRA probably think they can show them the meaning of it. then they are the ones with power. its really only a few steps away from anarchy.

i wish i could draw a better paralell and its so cliched, but the nazi's were like this, preying on the fearful, paranoid and naive, while they were a highly organized gang of thugs....sound familiar?

its like bad hollywood movie. i'm expecting edward furlong to come in as the crow, and start dishing out justice and failing, cos you know, he's the ****ty crow.

dlofnep · 08-07-2009 01:06AM

Jaxton Embarrassed Leg wrote: »

No evidence against.

Surely the PIRA would have done their level best to prove otherwise.... Why didnt they? Perhaps they didnt care for their image.

Prove otherwise? Isn't it "innocent until proven guilty"? The onus is on you to prove guilt. Not the other way around.

bobbyjoe · 08-07-2009 01:08AM

The IRA didn't need to get their hands dirty all they had to do was "tax" the dealers. Naive to think they would not do so considering the huge amounts of money there for the taking.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 08-07-2009 01:10AM

Perestroika wrote: »

You are the accuser, the burden is on you to provide evidence.

Hang on, I havent accused yet.

but em, id say im in the majority of irish people who fail to be convinced that they never dealed drugs. When the 'organisation' is met with a barrage of that sort from the Irish public, wouldnt it be in their best interests to ensure to everybody that such claims are ludicrous? They're failure to clarify the issue leaves me to think that all is (was not rosy on their behalf). Was their involvment of different sort? Extortion?

DubMedic · 08-07-2009 01:22AM

Perestroika wrote: »

The front page of the Evening Herald today claims that the Provisional IRA in Dublin have issued a threat to a major drug & crime gang located in the west of the city following the murder of inocent dad Wayne Doherty. The threat was made last Sunday and coes after local residents have called on the IRA to take action against drug dealers.

Supposedly the man responsible for the murder has gone into hiding and the parents of Wayne Doherty have asked for "no retaliation" for their sons murder. A senior police officer from Dublin is quoted as sayig "They [the IRA] want to use it to take a stand against drug dealers in the local community". The police also said that senior members of the IRA have threatened to shoot the trigger-man (who is well known) on sight. The Gardai have said they will not tolerate IRA vigilante activity in the area and have called for the Provisionals to withdraw it's threat.

Evening Herald, Tuesday 7th July, City Final, Vol188 No160, Pgs1 & 4

:pac:

And you believe the Evening Herald do you?.

Lot of hyped up rumor BS.

I never believe anything that's in that newspaper ( except the obvious parts i.e. death notices ).

.

marco murphy · 08-07-2009 01:26AM

DubMedic wrote: »

And you believe the Evening Herald do you?.

Lot of hyped up rumor BS.

I never believe anything that's in that newspaper ( except the obvious parts i.e. death notices ).

.

No, I don't.

Daroxtar · 08-07-2009 01:28AM

dlofnep wrote: »

So you were involved in the drug trade in the 90's?

Either that, or you're going on some hearsay nonsense that your drunk uncle told you one night over a game of scrabble.

In closing, it's BS. No one is claiming the PIRA were saints, but drug-dealers they were not. And until you can provide evidence to suggest that the PIRA was somehow on top of some drugs-ladder, your comments carry no weight.

I find it hard to believe that anyone could be so naive as to think that the biggest smuggling gang on this island would have no involvement with smuggling drugs. Ye trying to say that every crate coming through the middle east and north african corridor to ireland was arms? Were the south armagh boys all too busy washing the dye out of diesel to notice the drug trade? Have a read of Howard Marks book, Mr Nice. Might open yer eyes as to how smuggling in general works. Better still, have a read of "Cocaine Politics" by peter dale scott and johnathan marshall and see how everyone from the US government to the CIA to Contras and rebel armies the world over fund themselves.

Do you think the "Birdwatchers" in columbia were getting paid for their bomb building expertise in money by the Cocaine producers? And its all just a huge coincidence that the country is now flooded with cocaine.

And one other thing... an AK47 weighs 4.2-4.5 kg, depending on the model. They sell in africa or the middle east for between $40-$100. They sell here for between 500-1500 euro, depending on the condition and the dealer. A kilo of herion or cocaine would generate 50-100 times that. So if the IRA leadership want to finance their cause they'd want to be pretty fukkin retarded to stick to smuggling tonnes of arms.

You dont need any more proof when the reality is so fukkin obvious. My apologies for reading books

Bottle_of_Smoke · 08-07-2009 01:29AM

Its often said no IRA man was ever convicted for drugs. Its true.

Now, while the IRA were never involved "hands on" like the loyalists, it doesn't make them superior. Remember Concerned Parents Against Drugs(CPAD)? They never hassled dealers who paid the IRA protection money as they were commonly organised by Sinn Fein. Marlo Hyland was one example.

Martin Cahill(The General, and a man who I believe was an utter scumbag) was killed by the IRA because John Gilligan(major drugs importer) was paying them off and convinced them Cahill was selling heroin(which to be far the IRA NEVER tolerated but Cahill wasn't actually doing it) and organised logistics for a loyalist bomb attempt on a Sinn Fein event in Dublin. It didn't work out, but one man was killed.

These are just some examples, I just think its pathetic the way sympathisers go on as if the IRA were completely seperate from drugs even though they profited from backing up major drug lords

g5fd6ow0hseima · 08-07-2009 01:34AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

John Gilligan(major drugs importer)

heroin(which to be far the IRA NEVER tolerated

Hmm....

marco murphy · 08-07-2009 01:42AM

Daroxtar wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that anyone could be so naive as to think that the biggest smuggling gang on this island would have no involvement with smuggling drugs. Ye trying to say that every crate coming through the middle east and north african corridor to ireland was arms? Were the south armagh boys all too busy washing the dye out of diesel to notice the drug trade? Have a read of Howard Marks book, Mr Nice. Might open yer eyes as to how smuggling in general works. Better still, have a read of "Cocaine Politics" by peter dale scott and johnathan marshall and see how everyone from the US government to the CIA to Contras and rebel armies the world over fund themselves.

Do you think the "Birdwatchers" in columbia were getting paid for their bomb building expertise in money by the Cocaine producers? And its all just a huge coincidence that the country is now flooded with cocaine.

And one other thing... an AK47 weighs 4.2-4.5 kg, depending on the model. They sell in africa or the middle east for between $40-$100. They sell here for between 500-1500 euro, depending on the condition and the dealer. A kilo of herion or cocaine would generate 50-100 times that. So if the IRA leadership want to finance their cause they'd want to be pretty fukkin retarded to stick to smuggling tonnes of arms.

You dont need any more proof when the reality is so fukkin obvious. My apologies for reading books

Perhaps you should read a book by Jim Monaghan about his time in a Colombian jail cell and about his comments on the very story of drugs in South America, since you're into reading books.
Again, no evidence, just theories, some of which not even the media buy into.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 08-07-2009 01:47AM

that rhetoric reminds me of Nick Griffen

MikeC101 · 08-07-2009 01:48AM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Martin Cahill(The General, and a man who I believe was an utter scumbag) was killed by the IRA because John Gilligan(major drugs importer) was paying them off and convinced them Cahill was selling heroin(which to be far the IRA NEVER tolerated but Cahill wasn't actually doing it) and organised logistics for a loyalist bomb attempt on a Sinn Fein event in Dublin. It didn't work out, but one man was killed.

Did it not subsequently come to light that, despite the IRA claim they had done it, it was the INLA that killed Cahill, though both the IRA and INLA received payment? The deal being brokered by Traynor and Gilligan.

the_syco · 08-07-2009 01:49AM

A couple of days after the loyalists disarm, a anti-drugs local hero gets shot, and the IRA issue a death threat to those who killed him.

That's probably just coincidence.

Or they are getting a large advertisement in a paper that they're here to do "good", and not just kicking out anyone who doesn't pay protection money...

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"There has been no hard evidence to date that the IRA became directly involved in large-scale drug dealing. They tended to leave that to non-members who, gardai firmly believed, paid substantial percentages of their profits for IRA protection. The IRA may not be directly involved in the drugs trade but it benefited financially in a massive way."

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Remember: most of the IRA's money came from robbing banks in the republic, and shooting any Gardai that got in their way. Some of the ex-members have since made pipe-bombs for drug dealers in Blanchardstown and Limerick, but as they're ex-*IRA/INLA/etc we're not meant to count them.

marco murphy · 08-07-2009 01:49AM

Jaxton Embarrassed Leg wrote: »

that rhetoric reminds me of Nick Griffen

Lol you're telling a lad who has attending countless anti-racism events across Europe. Yep, I guess I am.

Remember: most of the IRA's money came from robbing banks in the republic, and shooting any Gardai that got in their way. Some of the ex-members have since made pipe-bombs for drug dealers in Blanchardstown and Limerick, but as they're ex-*IRA/INLA/etc we're not meant to count them.

Do you work for the Dept. of Justice?

g5fd6ow0hseima · 08-07-2009 01:55AM

Perestroika wrote: »

Lol you're telling a lad who has attending countless anti-racism events across Europe. Yep, I guess I am.

your attitude, not your beliefs. There is no denial on your behalf, just 'prove it'... otherwise its all 'lalalala'

Anti-Racism events? Fair play I must say though, I myself see it as wholly pointless as the people present at the events are hardly those who need the help. But thats my opinion!

marco murphy · 08-07-2009 01:56AM

Jaxton Embarrassed Leg wrote: »

your attitude, not your beliefs. There is no denial on your behalf, just 'prove it'... otherwise its all 'lalalala'

Anti-Racism events? Fair play I must say though, I myself see it as wholly pointless as the people present at the events are hardly those who need the help. But thats my opinion!

You're making accusations you cannot prove and you think the more you say it the more valid it becomes, that is quite an attitude to have.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 08-07-2009 02:00AM

And the accusation is?

Please quote them.

Daroxtar · 08-07-2009 02:02AM

Perestroika wrote: »

Perhaps you should read a book by Jim Monaghan about his time in a Colombian jail cell and about his comments on the very story of drugs in South America, since you're into reading books.

Thats the jail he's supposed to be incarcerated in for helping drug producers build bombs isn't it? I'm sure he has some great tales to tell in it. I'll probably find it in the fiction section in the library

marco murphy · 08-07-2009 02:04AM

Daroxtar wrote: »

Thats the jail he's supposed to be incarcerated in for helping drug producers build bombs isn't it? I'm sure he has some great tales to tell in it. I'll probably find it in the fiction section in the library

No, he wasn't in jail for that reason. You must be talking about someone else.

skelliser · 08-07-2009 02:07AM

im no supporter of the RA but they are the only crowd who can but the fear of god into these scum, cause these fools have no fear of you, me, the gaurds or the state.

Daroxtar · 08-07-2009 02:07AM

Perestroika wrote: »

No, he wasn't in jail for that reason. You must be talking about someone else.

You're right, sorry. He was there for unlicensend ornithology wasn't it? My mistake

NufcNavan · 08-07-2009 02:09AM

After all, the IRA are the undefeated Army.

g5fd6ow0hseima · 08-07-2009 02:09AM

NufcNavan wrote: »

After all, the IRA are the undefeated Army.

IRA issue threat to Dublin Drug gang

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