bit serious for after hours but!

g-whizz · 06-07-2009 08:47PM

Puddleduck wrote: »

I think its a joke. Typical government thinking of squeezing the money that people dont have right out of their pockets. Itll get to the stage where people cant afford to go to college and all of those that did will have left the country for better opportunities.

The government cant think too far ahead of their snouts.

it'll get to the stage where we can't piss without a cuunting tax on it.

Loomis · 07-07-2009 01:24AM

Des wrote: »

College fees should be on a sliding scale.

All those D4 Orts types, who's daddy has bought them a cor, should pay full whack, while Mickser from Jobstown should be paid to go to college and try to further himself.

Considering they are happily raping the average Joe with income levies etc and Mr. 200k a year is as happy as pig in ****, I wouldn't get your hopes up about your (albeit sensible and obvious) proposal.

jumpguy · 07-07-2009 01:59AM

...20,000 for medicine. Jayzuz. You'll be saddled with debt for years when you start working! Imagine after 6 years clocking up 120,000 in debt! You could buy a small house for that (not in Dublin)! It's abit ridiculous in fairness.

Defo should go on means. And be proportional. I hate the way most things are done "you either fill these criteria or you get nothin'". A person coming from the worst of the worst (disadvantaged area, a family of lifetime dolers) should pay the least. Then work your way up paying more and more.

zonEEE · 07-07-2009 02:10AM

If it goes on means i can see the government ****ing it up even more. Like means the limit for the grant is on how much parents earned together and that is around 40k gross to get the grant. I wonder what it will be like if they bring in fees? 40k gross between both parents is a fairly low sum. And people who are self employed can fiddle the system to the balls!

HouseHippo · 07-07-2009 02:40AM

*bangs head off wall in frustration*

red_ice · 07-07-2009 02:48AM

Des wrote: »

College fees should be on a sliding scale.

All those D4 Orts types, who's daddy has bought them a cor, should pay full whack, while Mickser from Jobstown should be paid to go to college and try to further himself.

Thats bollocks. Everyone deserves equal treatment when it comes to the education system.

I do believe that the money should be used as some sort of incentive tho. For example, your first year is free. Then depending on your grades, good grades means lower fees for the next year.

People will work harder to pay less. And those who muck about will have to pay more to stay in.. More reason for them to drop out as its obviously not working for them.

Sorry des, but it sounds like your bitter about the d4 orts type people. As much as i hate dubs and that stupid back comb, those annoying d4 heads tend to get good grades and a good education.

for the record... Im faaaaaaaaaaar from a d4 head.

~nop~ · 07-07-2009 03:56AM

I wouldn't have such a big issue with the whole thing if the government didn't waste such a ridiculous amount of money in the first place. Over €51 million wasted on the electronic voting wasn't it? not to mention the fact that the politicians were the only ones to get pay rises last year.

Our parents already pay for us through their taxes. That's where the money has been coming from all this time and that's why the taxes were so high. I don't think an additional loan and to put a new generation of students in debt is the way to beat this recession, apart from helping out in the short term, and it's only needed because this government has screwed up so badly.

nitrogen · 07-07-2009 04:13AM

bleg wrote: »

i agree, 17, 18, 19 is too young, in fact ireland has one of the youngest, if not the youngest age of exit from second level education.

The younger you can start working with a qualification behind you the better. Would you prefer being 28 before you can enter the work place, like in Germany...

Mahatma coat · 07-07-2009 08:19AM

mariaalice wrote: »

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in Australia they recon it has made people postpone buying a home and having children.
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Just to give some perspective on this as someone living in Australia, it leads to massive class distinctions being ingrained in the culture, and will ultimatley lead us down the road of ''Ídiocracy''

there is a polarisation amongst Schooll leavers, some from the wealthier families see it as a natural progresion that they go to Uni, these people were going anyway, however a large amount of people from ''underpriveliged'' areas see it as a foreign concept
Why would I saddle meself with debt just to hang around with snotty torffee nosed C***s just so some bollix can tell me useless ****e.

these people instead avail of the First homebuyers grant, and worryingly the $5K baby bonus for each snot nosed Bogen the churn out, they may do some time as Council workers or some other menial ****e, but cant wait til they have enough stamps for the dole.

the ones who are sensible and purt off having kids and buying hopuses are the ones we should be encouraging, this system does the opposite.

some of Australias greatest Engineers, Scientists, doctors, Baristers, are products of the days when it was Free.

Same will apply to Ireland if this goes ahead, we will look back 20 years later and say oh, out of all the things they did that were realllllllllllly Stupid, that was the one that finaly crippled any hope this country had

sparksfly · 07-07-2009 09:24AM

This country needs to export goods and services to generate wealth, there is no other option open to us. The taxpayer should not fund the college fees of those who create no wealth for the country, but rake it in later, such as solicitors, barristers and doctors. Let them borrow and pay back their fees. We churn out these professions, most of who will get very wealthy fleecing us later but who do nothing to create employment.
In the well governed scandanavian countries, the professions that are really needed to establish research and development, manufacturing, expert services and export businesses, such as science and engineering graduates and certain business qualifications are the only ones that are encouraged and funded by the taxpayer.

xOxSinéadxOx · 07-07-2009 10:40AM

I wouldn't have a problem with paying fees if it was done properly but the government will definitely **** it up. and regarding the whole parents VS student paying to get the grant they go by your parents income which isn't really fair, you're 18yrs old moving out of home, who says your parents will be giving you any money?

up them Schteps · 07-07-2009 10:54AM

If I was in the Minister's shoes now, I would probably fiddle with the Australian plan a bit.

Since Irelands economy is based on technology and Engineering, these are the courses that should pay less. In UCC we have (Roughly) 4000 Arts students. I think that these students should be paying more than students taking up Engineering and sciences. This way, we would see a greater emphasis placed on the jobs that should get Ireland out of this current economic climate.

Financial courses would probably fall somewhere in the middle of that catagory, depending on how these courses fair per year.

By charging Arts students more for their 3 year degree, these funds could be made available to upgrade existing equipment the sciences and engineering courses need.

Thats my 2c on the matter.

bit serious for after hours but!

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