Rally for life

The_Minister · 05-07-2009 01:57AM #1

Did anyone see this today?

I wasn't in town so I missed it, but apparently several thousand people were at it. And apparently a group of pro-choicers turned up, with a small number of them shouting threats and doing nazi-salutes.

I'm surprised the media didn't cover this; I'd say that like the rest of us they just want to let that sleeping dog lie.

What was weird was that apparently those marching were predominantly young, and not old grannys.

Any eyewitnesses?

K4t · 05-07-2009 02:01AM

No. *aborts thread*

K-9 · 05-07-2009 02:02AM

There'll always be a Youth Defence.

Thought I read recently the Company encompassing their various guises was winded up?

jumpguy · 05-07-2009 02:03AM

Love how ya assume we all live in Dublin. :P

You serious, a pro-Nazi protest in the city? You'd think it'd be broken up quickly with a team of snipers and bombers.

partyatmygaff · 05-07-2009 02:04AM

This people is why we do not drink 20 bottles of vodka and then go on boards to post nonsensical threads.

Let that be a lessont to all of you.

/Its the vodka kicking in I am sure.

The_Minister · 05-07-2009 02:08AM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

This people is why we do not drink 20 bottles of vodka and then go on boards to post nonsensical threads.

Let that be a lessont to all of you.

/Its the vodka kicking in I am sure.

Not drunk at all.
Was chatting to a facebook 'friend' a few minutes ago, and the above are the details he told me.
He's pro-life though, so I want confirmation.

jumpguy wrote: »

Love how ya assume we all live in Dublin. :P

You serious, a pro-Nazi protest in the city? You'd think it'd be broken up quickly with a team of snipers and bombers.

Not pro-nazi, pro-choice.
Just a few of them apparently.

jumpguy · 05-07-2009 02:10AM

Oh right yeah. I know what pro-choice means. Yeah. Yeah I do. Yeeeeah.

Yes. I do. Don't claim I don't, I do.

Actually, at first when I read it I thought it was something about abortion.

Whosbetter? · 05-07-2009 02:12AM

jumpguy wrote: »

Love how ya assume we all live in Dublin. :P

You serious, a pro-Nazi protest in the city? You'd think it'd be broken up quickly with a team of snipers and bombers.

Adolf Hitler................Not just there for the Nazi things in life.:)

Dennis the Stone · 05-07-2009 02:13AM

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ronbyrne2005 · 05-07-2009 02:20AM

So is it banning contraceptives march next saturday then?

The_Minister · 05-07-2009 02:22AM

ronbyrne2005 wrote: »

So is it banning contraceptives march next saturday then?

I think they know they've lost that battle.

'I stand by the Republic' and all that lark.

Dennis the Stone · 05-07-2009 02:25AM

Kind of ironic if there were Nazi salutes, as apparently some members of Stormfront were in the march :pac:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7051419

conchubhar1 · 05-07-2009 02:26AM

how the fook is pro choice por nazi?

feckin pro lifers are so deluded if they dont reliase girls just head to the uk....

wow i hate those stomefront tits more than loyalists and orange order members - now that impressive

jumpguy · 05-07-2009 02:29AM

BigMentalDisease wrote: »

Kind of ironic if there were Nazi salutes, as apparently there were members of Stormfront in the march :pac:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7051419

Woah it's like boards but with abit of a national socialist twist to it.

conchubhar1 · 05-07-2009 02:31AM

jumpguy wrote: »

Woah it's like boards but with abit of a national socialist twist to it.

a bit of a wanker racist twist

The_Minister · 05-07-2009 02:32AM

conchubhar1 wrote: »

feckin pro lifers are so deluded if they dont reliase girls just head to the uk....

Of course they realise it, but they can't do anything about it.
Ireland can only make laws for Ireland, if someone wants to go abroad and do something that would be illegal here, but is illegal there, then generally speaking we can't stop them.
Right to travel and all that.

Just because something is legal in one country, and people from other countries go there to do that thing, doesn't mean that it must be legal in all countries.

The_Minister · 05-07-2009 02:37AM

Was just looking at Indymedia.

Is it bad that I laughed when I saw that one of the pro-choice, feminists groups was called

RAG

?

PrivateEye · 05-07-2009 02:38AM

Go to politics, where this belongs, join the debate there.

1: Nazi Salutes:

Google the name Justin Barrett. Todays rally was called by Youth Defence. They have links to the extreme-right. There were fascists there today no doubt, but don't think for a second its a mystery what side they were on.

2: Yoof Defence:

Famous for: The above mentioned clown, the fact they famously attacked protesters outside the Dail with Hurley stucks and cue-balls, their mad front-campaigns (Think Coir and the monkeys that warned you about Brussels) And the fact they will hold hands with ANYONE who wants to 'save the babies' (Justin once spoke at a neo-nazi rally in Germany, oh dear)

3: Fash Salutes

how the fook is pro choice por nazi?

Its not. There were PLENTY of people in the pro-choice counter-demo who have taken action against fascists in Ireland before, be it the Immigration Control Platform or some rotten apples in Youth Defence. Feminism and fascism can never go hand in hand obviously.

4: The England Issue

feckin pro lifers are so deluded if they dont reliase girls just head to the uk....

Yep. They export the problem, if they can't see it its not happening. Typical attitude. The Choice Ireland/Pro Choice leaflet today called for, among other things, more sexual education in schools, and no cuts to benefits/welfare so women didn't feel the need to have abortions. what did the other side to? They prayed (actually had a mass BEFORE the demo), called us 'Fagg0ts' (I was called all sorts of homophobic rubbish, which not even being gay I thought was quite funny to be honest!) and showed themselves for what they are.

http://www.indymedia.ie/cache/imagecache/local/attachments/jul2009/460_0___30_0_0_0_0_0_2._pl_img_2812.jpg
The Sisters Of Mercy themselves :rolleyes:

Normal Youth Defence rubbish, nothing to see har.

conchubhar1 · 05-07-2009 02:40AM

The_Minister wrote: »

Of course they realise it, but they can't do anything about it.
Ireland can only make laws for Ireland, if someone wants to go abroad and do something that would be illegal here, but is illegal there, then generally speaking we can't stop them.
Right to travel and all that.

Just because something is legal in one country, and people from other countries go there to do that thing, doesn't mean that it must be legal in all countries.

put your head in the sand - hope it goes away

make it more hassle for the poor young girls who have to travel.....:(

PrivateEye · 05-07-2009 02:41AM

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7051419

OH HAI

:rolleyes:

K-9 · 05-07-2009 02:44AM

conchubhar1 wrote: »

how the fook is pro choice por nazi?

feckin pro lifers are so deluded if they dont reliase girls just head to the uk....

wow i hate those stomefront tits more than loyalists and orange order members - now that impressive

Huh? You hate them more than Loyalists and Orange Order members.

On a scale of 1 to 10 where do they rate?

conchubhar1 · 05-07-2009 02:44AM

really i have never seen a bigger group of ***** in ireland before!

jumpguy · 05-07-2009 02:45AM

PrivateEye wrote: »

OH HAI

:rolleyes:

It's actually a pity they ban them, I love a good ole intellectual debate with people of opposing views. Then again, if they start being abusive and racist openly then fair enough.

PrivateEye · 05-07-2009 02:46AM

conchubhar1 wrote: »

really i have never seen a bigger group of ***** in ireland before!

Youth Defence or White Race Defence?

In my own opinion the site, especially the After Hours section seems to be dominated by middle-class trendies and students.

Brilliant.

conchubhar1 · 05-07-2009 02:49AM

PrivateEye wrote: »

Youth Defence or White Race Defence?

racists and those stormfront dicks speficly

but now that you mention it pro lifers also - delusional

---
no scale - i just dislike racists and delusional militant religious nut-jobs
(covers all three groups quite well actually)

The_Minister · 05-07-2009 02:50AM

PrivateEye wrote: »

Feminism and fascism can never go hand in hand obviously.

How do you figure?

From what I can see there is no reason for feminism and facism to be mutually exclusive.
And as for abortion, the nazi's would have loved our prenatal screening abilities.

conchubhar1 · 05-07-2009 02:54AM

''The Fascist government in Italy banned literature on birth control and increased penalties on abortion in 1926, declaring them both crimes against the state.[97] The Nazis decriminalized abortion in cases where fetuses had hereditary defects or were of a race the government disapproved of, while the abortion of healthy "pure" German, "Aryan" unborn remained strictly forbidden.[98] For non-Aryans, abortion was not only allowed, but often compelled.[99] Their eugenics program stemmed also from the "progressive biomedical model" of Weimar Germany.[100] In 1935 Nazi Germany expanded the legality of abortion by amending its eugenics law, to promote abortion for women who have hereditary disorders.[101] The law allowed abortion if a woman gave her permission, and if the fetus was not yet viable,[102][103] and for purposes of so-called racial hygiene.[104][105] The security chief of the neo-Nazi group Aryan Nations expressed similar views, stating: "I’m just against abortion for the pure white race. For blacks and other mongrelized races, abortion is a good idea."[106]''

lifted from the wiki on facism - but in general fascist wouldnt be open to women as equals

K-9 · 05-07-2009 02:55AM

conchubhar1 wrote: »

really i have never seen a bigger group of ***** in ireland before!

Maybe go to Rossnowlagh on Saturday or come to my ROI town and watch them march on Sunday. Everybody gets on with their business and nobody cares.

If dear ould Donegal gets to Croke Park a few of them will be on the bus and no doubt sharing pints and in jokes.

PrivateEye · 05-07-2009 02:56AM

The_Minister wrote: »

How do you figure?

From what I can see there is no reason for feminism and facism to be mutually exclusive.
.

Fascism and fashion, never hand in hand

I think any political idea with equality at its core (Remember feminism is about the social,political and economic equality of women, not chasing us blokes down the road with pitchforks!) is incompatible with any idea of a 'superior race'

conchubhar1 · 05-07-2009 02:58AM

get over the orange order comment...... are you a member? is that why you seem caught up on it

PrivateEye · 05-07-2009 03:00AM

23rd October 1992 - The Democratic Left branch in TCD organised a picket of the Youth Defence offices, then located over the Pipers House pub on Thomas Street. As soon as the 'picket' started a few men drinking in the pub, supporters and friends of YD, bailed out with pool cues and started lashing out at the marchers. A young photographer from 'The Star' newspaper was knocked unconscious. A few protesters were beaten around the heads. Youth Defence members stood back and smirked at the people injured.

6th July 1994 - YD and DAIC both held pickets on the Dail at the same time. Afterwards the DAIC group went to have coffee in Buswells. YD came into the hotel and threw cups, etc. around. The Gardai arrived and put both groups out into the street, where scuffles continued for some time. The Gardai intercepted a Youth Defence van containing a number of hurleys, which were being brought to the scene.

In neither of the above cases were charges taken against YD, for what were clearly unprovoked assaults on peaceful protests. However court cases did take place in relation to YD pickets on the family homes and offices of politicians they regarded as 'pro-abortion'. A number of YD members were convicted in 1995 for picketing the office of Brendan Howlin, then Health Minister, in Wexford.

November 1997 - YD dragged the raped 13 year old in the 'C' case though the courts in an attempt to prevent her exercising her legal right to have an abortion in Britain.

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/darg/appendix_18sept_yd.html

Add to this Justin Barrett and his neo-nazi friends, and it all starts to look a bit shaddy.

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