Romanians being forced home yay or nay?

Unless you personally know the 70 people (including a week old child) and have had bad experiences with them than wanting them to leave is simply racist.

If you have had bad experiece with other people who happen to share the same ethnicty - than holding a grudge against those people as individauls. To hold grudes to against an entire group of people is simply ignorant.

I'm quite honestly amazed at how many people have applauded the Northern government for insisting that these Romanian people who were kicked out of their homes by Loyalists should leave Northern Ireland because they were abused for their ethnicity. I think it's a great shame that this happened.

Do people honestly think it is right that these people are being sent to Romania because they were abused and kicked out of their homes?

Nice to know that the churches are all united against this disgrace of an event:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0618/breaking6.htm
http://www.presbyterianireland.org/News/news2009/news0684.html

N.B - I couldn't care whether they are Roma or Romanian, in a freedom loving Western society all people should have equal opportunity if they are given permission to live in a certain country no matter what colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation and so on.

Get rid of em.:)

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

i would love to pork one of those old fat roma women with the gold teeth

Reported :pac:

0ubliette wrote: »

Theres a massive difference between discriminating against someone solely down to skin colour or sexual preference, something nobody can make a decision about and is simply born with, or discriminating against people who actively make the choice to beg/steal for a living, have babies solely because the Romanian government gives them an allowance for every child they have, live in filth, have no respect for either their own property or the property of those around them, and have no intention of working. Im sorry but i couldnt give a **** if youre white, black, green, or what, but if thats the reason youre coming to this country, you shouldnt be let in to do whatever you like.

No there really isn't a difference. You are generalising people of minority group X, based on the behaviour of a portion of group X. I personally believe that people should be assessed as individuals in respect to their actions. It's the only way we can effectively decide on these things. It is also why our justice system is based on innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. If our judges were like you, if a Roma person was suspected of pick pocketing you'd have them accused guilty before hearing the evidence. Why can't we apply this innocent before proven guilty to our views of ethnic / racial minorities. That's what I really can't understand.

You make it out as if every Roma steals for a living. To be honest with you when 75% of Roma live in poverty I'm quite frankly not surprised why they steal. If I were starving I would probably steal particularly if I was trying to provide for myself and my family.

In other countries in the Balkans the Roma have been put into prostitution out of desperation by higher gangs. I don't think we are being reasonable in understanding the situation that these people are in before we suddenly leap into judging them.

0ubliette wrote: »

Honestly, do you live near any roma? and im asking this in all seriouness. Because i find it hard to imagine that anyone could live near them and NOT be a bit prejudiced against them.

I've encountered quite a few yes. I unlike you do not believe that I can base my view of 100% based on a group of individuals.

Davei141 wrote: »

Should they be allowed do what they like too? Begging, thieving and scamming through life, they can do that in their own country. Roma Gypsies are just scumbags, exact same as our scumbags. The only difference is they have a darker skin tone. If this story was "scumbags from dolphins barn run out of neighbourhood by local residents for causing a nuisance." Would you be on going on about giving them freedom to do what they like? Lets not kid ourselves, this isn't about their creed, colour, religion, gender and sexual orientation, Its about how they conduct themselves. Simple as.

Everyone is subject to the law, don't be so ridiculous. They have been given entry into Ireland for a reason, therefore I think they should have every right to settle here.

The real solution for the Roma problem would be if charitable projects could be set up to find housing and work for these people, giving them real opportunities. Perhaps also to disperse them around amongst other cultural groupings so as to challenge them to integrate and not to form ghettos. Why aren't we talking business if we truly want to solve the problem though?

Booting a minority only works until you find that you have several other groups of minorities that will have to integrate. There is great work in Ireland happening among Afghans who speak Farsi to integrate them into Irish society through church organisations. I've heard great things about this.

These people are all just like you and me when we get down to it, except they have had to endure much harder than you or me. As such I prefer to be a realist and think of solutions rather than take the far-right xenophobic (and that's exactly what it is) line of booting minorities out.

I'm not particularly nationalistic. I feel that some people take a ethnic view of what Irishness is, it won't work in the future. Being Irish must be subject to change. I personally consider the Irish as the people who are currently living in Ireland. As the demographics change, so does what it means to be Irish. Personally I think the Roma, Romanians, Afghans or anyone else coming into this country are as entitled to it as I am if they have legal permission.

Jakkass wrote: »

No there really isn't a difference. You are generalising people of minority group X, based on the behaviour of a portion of group X. I personally believe that people should be assessed as individuals in respect to their actions. It's the only way we can effectively decide on these things. It is also why our justice system is based on innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. If our judges were like you, if a Roma person was suspected of pick pocketing you'd have them accused guilty before hearing the evidence. Why can't we apply this innocent before proven guilty to our views of ethnic / racial minorities. That's what I really can't understand.

You make it out as if every Roma steals for a living. To be honest with you when 75% of Roma live in poverty I'm quite frankly not surprised why they steal. If I were starving I would probably steal particularly if I was trying to provide for myself and my family.

So theyre all tired, poor starving huddled masses now?? And were all horrible racists for not wanting to help them, is that it?
Doesnt look like theyre starving to me, they all have cars (2 in each house they live in round here actually), and most of the girls ive seen have a mouthful of gold teeth. Perhaps if they were so desperate for food they could sell a car or the gold, eh?
And yes there is a massive difference between saying 'no, dont allow homosexuals or black people into the country', and saying 'no, dont allow a group of people who are known for actively engaging in criminal or antisocial behaviour and have no intention of working or actively contributing to society in to do whatever they like.'

And youve seen a few in person yeah? Good for you. Try living with some man, youd change youre tune fairly fast i guarantee. The two houses near me where they live are practically mini halting sites. Not to mention the sudden increase in burglaries and their harrassment of elderly people in the area.
Im not saying anyone has the right to run someone out of their home, thats not right, but i am saying that perhaps if these people didnt behave like scum people wouldnt treat them like scum.