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Call to legalese brothels in Ireland.

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  • #2
    brummytom
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wny_0pi4hR4


  • #3
    Aidric
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    would also take heaps of sluts off the live register.
    It wouldn't really though.


  • #4
    Crumble Froo
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    i think it's a great idea.

    can't picture ireland doing it any time soon though. :(


  • #5
    Gone Drinking
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    Crumble Froo wrote: »
    i think it's a great idea.

    can't picture ireland doing it any time soon though. :(

    You seem genuinely upset that brazzers aren't legal.. weird


  • #6
    Crumble Froo
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    Gone Drinking wrote: »
    You seem genuinely upset that brazzers aren't legal.. weird

    for the protection of the women, decriminalising prostitution is a fantastic idea.

    i have a personal interest in this and this kind of issue is closely related to my work.


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  • #7
    M5
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    Crumble Froo wrote: »
    for the protection of the women, decriminalising prostitution is a fantastic idea.

    i have a personal interest in this and this kind of issue is closely related to my work.

    Pimp or whore? :-P


  • #8
    Crumble Froo
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    M5 wrote: »
    Pimp or whore? :-P

    i work in an organisation dedicated to harm reduction.


  • #9
    Gone Drinking
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    Everyone knows, if they legalised brazzers in this country.. no one would follow the Irish football team abroad.

    Which takes me to my next point.. the AIDS epidemic we're going to encounter if Ireland make it through to the world cup in South Africa.


  • #10
    M5
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    Crumble Froo wrote: »
    i work in an organisation dedicated to harm reduction.

    lol, i figured that, but this is after hours...


  • #11
    partyguinness
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    Lets look at it this way...

    The Gov is very quick to suggest that we need a more "continental" approach in Ireland re drinking, health care etc...Holland and Germany are held up as role models..so there is no reason why we cant adopt their models in legalising prostitution.

    There already is a sex industry in Ireland which the authorities are more than happy to turn a blind eye to.


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  • #12
    partyguinness
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    Gone Drinking wrote: »
    Everyone knows, if they legalised brazzers in this country.. no one would follow the Irish football team abroad.

    Which takes me to my next point.. the AIDS epidemic we're going to encounter if Ireland make it through to the world cup in South Africa.[/quote]

    Please continue and flesh out this rather bizarre point...:confused:


  • #13
    BraziliaNZ
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    In NZ and Oz they have them legalised, i don't see the problem with it. But then again we don't seem to have issues with street hookers here anyway, there's only a handful of them out there, used to live on Blackhall Place and see the odd manky looking prostitute out on the streets, i doubt a knocking shop would employ them anyway. Even knocking shops have standards. All the hookers in Ireland work out of apartments and advertise on the internet, so i can't see the need for brothels here.


  • #14
    Gurgle
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    Crumble Froo wrote: »
    for the protection of the women, decriminalising prostitution is a fantastic idea.
    As far as I understand it, prostitution is legal in Ireland.

    Whats illegal is soliciting - i.e. a Pimp or customer can't make arrangements, but once the prostitute herself makes the arrangements its all ok.

    Brothels therefore are illegal because the Madame is selling the services of others. I have to agree with this situation, as to legalize pimping will lead to exploitation.

    The major change I would think to improve the situation of prostitutes would be to legalise advertising and provide a 'safe' place to carry out business. Not a brothel run by a Madame, but maybe a place where the girls can rent rooms and security / protection is available to them in case they need it.


  • #15
    GlindaGale
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    Ah balls, does this mean I'll have to start payin tax?


  • #16
    Degsy
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    If brothels were regulated and controlled with regular screening for the girls it would reduce the risk of STIs amongst the punters and the girls.
    Obviously,if atoothless,AIDS riddled smackhead showed up looking for a job she'd be told to sling her hook and if it was legalised she'd be less likely to get clients down the canal and give them christ knows what.


  • #17
    philologos
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    partyguinness wrote: »
    The Gov is very quick to suggest that we need a more "continental" approach in Ireland re drinking, health care etc...Holland and Germany are held up as role models..so there is no reason why we cant adopt their models in legalising prostitution.

    There already is a sex industry in Ireland which the authorities are more than happy to turn a blind eye to.

    Drinking and exploiting women are two different things however :). There's no reason why we can't adopt their models on prostitution, but there is every reason why we shouldn't.


  • #18
    Gone Drinking
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    partyguinness wrote: »
    Please continue and flesh out this rather bizarre point...:confused:

    Letting loose a few thousand drunk Irish to ride brazzers in a country where AIDS affects 20% of adults..


  • #19
    generalmiaow
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    We really ought to figure out whether is prostitution is legal in this thread before you go arguing whether it should be or not. I think the situation Gurgle refers to is true in the UK, but I don't know about Ireland.


  • #20
    generalmiaow
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    So far I've got
    Towns Improvement (Ireland) Act, 1845
    In section 72 the words "Every common Prostitute or Nightwalker loitering and importuning Passengers for the Purpose of Prostitution, or being otherwise offensive, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding Forty Shillings:".

    40 shillings is 2 quid decimal, right?


  • #21
    FreeOSCAR
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    Gone Drinking wrote: »
    Letting loose a few thousand drunk Irish to ride brazzers in a country where AIDS affects 20% of adults..

    They can do what they like to them once they use protection correctly.
    I have a feeling there will be a strong condom campaign going on outside pubs and stadiums next year. FIFA know this is a sensitive issue and they will be wise to try a solution.


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  • #22
    generalmiaow
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    I think Gurgle is right.

    (2) In this Act a person solicits or importunes for the purposes of prostitution where the person—

    ( a ) offers his or her services as a prostitute to another person,

    ( b ) solicits or importunes another person for the purpose of obtaining that other person's services as a prostitute, or

    ( c ) solicits or importunes another person on behalf of a person for the purposes of prostitution.
    Pimping
    9.—A person who for gain—

    ( a ) controls or directs the activities of a prostitute in respect of prostitution,

    ( b ) organises prostitution by controlling or directing the activities of more than one prostitute for that purpose, or

    ( c ) compels or coerces a person to be a prostitute, shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable—

    (i) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not. exceeding 6 months or to both, or

    (ii) on conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding £10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.
    Brothels

    Prohibition of advertising of brothels and prostitution.

    23.—(1) A person who publishes or causes to be published or distributes or causes to be distributed an advertisement which advertises a brothel or the services of a prostitute in the State or any premises or service in the State in terms, circumstances or manner which gives rise to the reasonable inference that the premises is a brothel or that the service is one of prostitution shall be guilty of an offence.
    [GA]
    (2) A person who is guilty of an offence under subsection (1) shall be liable—
    [GA]
    ( a ) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000,
    [GA]
    ( b ) on conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding £10,000.
    [GA]
    (3) In any proceedings for an offence under subsection (1) it shall be a defence for the accused to show that he is a person whose business it is to publish or distribute or to arrange for the publication or distribution of advertisements and that he received the advertisement in question for publication or distribution in the ordinary course of business and did not know and had no reason to suspect that the advertisement related to a brothel or to the services of a prostitute.
    [GA]
    (4) Where an offence under subsection (1) is committed by a body corporate or by a person purporting to act on behalf of a body corporate or an unincorporated body of persons and is proved to have been committed with the consent or approval of, or to have been attributable to any neglect on the part of, any person who, when the offence was committed, was a director, member of the committee of management or other controlling authority of the body concerned, or the manager, secretary or other officer of the body, or who was purporting to act in any such capacity, that person, as well as the body, shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable to be proceeded against and punished as if that person were guilty of the first-mentioned offence.


    There's no specific offence for being a prostitute in the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act, 1993 which repeals the 1845 one etc. Maybe you can also have a brothel and not advertise it. (edit: sec. 11 forbids managing a brothel)


  • #23
    Degsy
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    FreeOSCAR wrote: »
    They can do what they like to them once they use protection correctly.
    I have a feeling there will be a strong condom campaign going on outside pubs and stadiums next year. FIFA know this is a sensitive issue and they will be wise to try a solution.

    FFS,football fans are the most idiotic people on earth..what makes you think after a day or a week's solid drinking they'll remember to put on a condom when they've picked up some skank for 5 dollars?
    Do people in ireland all wear condoms when riding skanks?The number of skanks pushing buggies would tend to indicate otherwise.


  • #24
    BraziliaNZ
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    Degsy wrote: »
    FFS,football fans are the most idiotic people on earth..what makes you think after a day or a week's solid drinking they'll remember to put on a condom when they've picked up some skank for 5 dollars?
    Do people in ireland all wear condoms when riding skanks?The number of skanks pushing buggies would tend to indicate otherwise.

    I'm a football fan, we're not all idiots, and if we do qualify and i go down there, of course I'd use protection if I'm humping local skanks.


  • #25
    FreeOSCAR
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    Degsy wrote: »
    FFS,football fans are the most idiotic people on earth..what makes you think after a day or a week's solid drinking they'll remember to put on a condom when they've picked up some skank for 5 dollars?
    Do people in ireland all wear condoms when riding skanks?The number of skanks pushing buggies would tend to indicate otherwise.

    Not all of them are not going to not remember to put a condom on, most CSW's will use protection aswell.

    And while theres definitely a risk associated with all this, HIV is much harder to catch than people believe. I dont think infection will spread at such a high rate as people think during the world cup.


  • #26
    nxbyveromdwjpg
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    Gone Drinking wrote: »
    Everyone knows, if they legalised brazzers in this country.. no one would follow the Irish football team abroad.

    Which takes me to my next point.. the AIDS epidemic we're going to encounter if Ireland make it through to the world cup in South Africa.

    Hahaha


  • #27
    biko
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    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    I'm a football fan, we're not all idiots, and if we do qualify and i go down there, of course I'd use protection if I'm humping local skanks.
    Just don't go male bonding with the locals


  • #28
    generalmiaow
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    It'd be worth legalising prostitution, while keeping "pimping" illegal or at least extremely formalised because nobody should be forced to remain in such a lifestyle. I don't know about the cases where people are from eastern europe as I don't know whether these sex workers are trafficked or come of their own accord. I'm sure someone in this thread can enlighten me.


  • #29
    RHunce
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    GlindaGale wrote: »
    Ah balls, does this mean I'll have to start payin tax?

    you need a pimp?


  • #30
    Sam Vimes
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    Drinking and exploiting women are two different things however :). There's no reason why we can't adopt their models on prostitution, but there is every reason why we shouldn't.

    Such as..........


    Please name me a problem that is not caused by it being illegal, such as trafficking, and could not be eliminated or at least reduced by legalising and regulating it. Preferably I'd like you to name a problem that would get worse if it was made legal.

    For example, currently many women are being exploited but if it was legal, a regulatory body could ensure that everyone in the industry was there of their own free will. That's one problem out of the way. So what would get worse by legalising it?


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  • #31
    partyguinness
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    Drinking and exploiting women are two different things however :). There's no reason why we can't adopt their models on prostitution, but there is every reason why we shouldn't.


    Basically you are assuming that all women in the sex industry are being exploited. That is nonsense.

    Just like saying that all Lapdancers and Page 3 girls are being exploited. They make conscience decisions to use the body they were given and in fact most enjoy the fact they make a good living from it.

    In fact, they would be better placed to protect themselves and work for themselves.


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