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Hypothetical situation

  • 14-06-2009 09:43PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Scenario:
    Man and woman are dating. Prior to sex, the woman promises the man that if she gets pregnant, she will take the morning-after pill or go to England and procure an abortion.
    They have sex, she gets pregnant, and decides to carry it to term.

    Should the man have to pay child support?

    On the one hand the man made it clear that he was having sex on the condition that no child result, and so shouldn't be tied for life, and the woman was dishonest, but on the other hand is it fair on the child that the father does not pay for his upbringing?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,161 ✭✭✭✭M5


    "Hypothetical situation"


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Thea Scary Temper


    Well... he did have sex in the first place.
    But... I don't know, I suppose he shouldn't have to really. But I think it would be preferable if he did for the child's sake, regardless of feelings for the mother.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    IMO the man should have the choice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Sounds like a hypothetically stupid bloke.

    I guess that the agreement is meaningless as it's verbal and hard to prove. In the eyes of the law he's the Dad, so while it's unfair, he'd probably have to stump up?

    Maybe I'm wrong?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    TheZohan wrote: »
    IMO the man should have the choice.
    And the bastard*?






    *That's what the word actually means - a child born out of wedlock.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭SoupyNorman


    Unless contracts are signed you're screwed. (edit:as was she)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 ✭✭✭anonymous_joe


    And the bastard*?






    *That's what the word actually means - a child born out of wedlock.

    Is it Kevin Myers in disguise? :pac:

    In this country, the dude is basically fcuked. Morally it's what one calls a grey area, though I suppose I'd suggest in this context the man has the option to opt out of paying.

    Why should a woman get to fcuk up a man's life having agreed not to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭jigglywoo


    Who discusses abortion and morning after pills before having sex?!
    Mood killer!!

    Anyway they shouldn't really have needed that talk if they were using contraception so it sounds like a dodgey situation from the beginning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    And the bastard*?

    The child can choose to reject the natural father if he ever tries to get in touch in the future.

    If the hypothetical mother decides to have the baby I'm sure she should have the resources to care for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,846 ✭✭✭Jet Black


    Should he- No
    Does he have to- Yes


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,846 ✭✭✭Jet Black


    Why did he just not use a condom?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    TheZohan wrote: »
    The child can choose to reject the natural father if he ever tries to get in touch in the future.

    If the hypothetical mother decides to have the baby I'm sure she should have the resources to care for it.
    And if a poor woman doesn't want to get an abortion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Mask wrote: »
    Why did he just not use a condom?
    He did - it broke.

    Bitch was dry too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭allabouteve


    Hypothetical Situation

    A man has sex with a woman. He promises his condoms aren't past their use-by date. They are, they fail. She gets pregnant.

    Should she have the right to string him up by his balls?

    I'm going with yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭newmills


    Hypothetically speaking then - all women should take it up the bum. No babies that way - everyone's a winner!!;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    if you have no money in the bank account dont make any deposits in a vagina.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,822 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    If he took all precautions and wore a condom then I'd sympathise big time. I never want to have kids and it's something I'm freaky careful about. I even dispose of my own used condoms.
    The man should have just as much a say about aborting a child and should be able to opt out of childcare payments if he offers to split the bill to get rid of it.
    Unfortunately abortion is still illegal in this country so none of that can happen as the govt. would have to acknowledge that the law is not enforced.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    He did - it broke.

    Bitch was dry too

    You should have used lube.


    Did she take the morning after pill when the condom broke?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    newmills wrote: »
    Hypothetically speaking then - all women should take it up the bum. No babies that way - everyone's a winner!!;)

    Pregnancy can still happen so I've been told .... hmmm I think


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    I don't know where to start with this, it just seems very man-sided to me. Of course a guy should be able to choose. But it seems to me there are bits missing from the story. Its far to simplified.
    Scenario:
    Man and woman are dating. Prior to sex, the woman promises the man that if she gets pregnant, she will take the morning-after pill or go to England and procure an abortion.
    This portrays her lack of interest in having a family, without ever being faced with the dilemma.
    They have sex, she gets pregnant, and decides to carry it to term.
    With or without condom? did it split? If she decided to carry it to term it maybe because being faced with the situation, she is forced to consider two possibilites as it is genuinely happening to her, now.

    Should the man have to pay child support?
    Maybe not an ideal situation, but if its his child, its a legal requirement. Regardless of what circumstances the child comes into the world, the child will need looking after, pointless taking it out on him / her, and may later resent your rejection.
    On the one hand the man made it clear that he was having sex on the condition that no child result, and so shouldn't be tied for life
    It doesn't seem to me that she wanted to be either.
    and the woman was dishonest
    Bitch wimmins with their evil super sekrit mind controlling fannies :rolleyes:
    but on the other hand is it fair on the child that the father does not pay for his upbringing?
    It isnt something that either party wanted to begin. But a woman can never really know the pain of having to decide to have a child or an abortion until being thrown into the situation.

    It happened to me, I'm keeping the outcome to myself. Your 'friend' needs to stop thinking of just himself. Its not just about him anymore.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,846 ✭✭✭Jet Black


    Bitch was dry too

    Hes not doing it right then....:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭dylano_k


    Mrmoe wrote: »
    Pregnancy can still happen so I've been told .... hmmm I think

    What ever happened to the pull out and filling up the bellybutton cup ?:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    dylano_k wrote: »
    What ever happened to the pull out and filling up the bellybutton cup ?:pac:

    Careful now, there are a lot of LC'ers flying about. That kind of talk could lead to a new breed :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    Would this hypothetical man's name be Joey Joe Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo by any chance?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭dylano_k


    Abigayle wrote: »
    Careful now, there are a lot of LC'ers flying about. That kind of talk could lead to a new breed :rolleyes:

    Im sorry, it just needed to be said because somebody was going to eventually !! LC ? is that leaving certers ? i need to catch up on this Boards lingo...Whats OP ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Would this hypothetical man's name be Joey Joe Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo by any chance?
    No -there's a case going to the US Sc regarding men's reproductive rights (different issue though) so it got me thinking about men's right not to reproduce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    He really should get the snip. Seriously.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    dylano_k wrote: »
    Im sorry, it just needed to be said because somebody was going to eventually !! LC ? is that leaving certers ? i need to catch up on this Boards lingo...Whats OP ??

    L.C'ers is are Leaving Cert'ers for short. OP is a long standing one for Original Post. T

    he Minister, instead of agreeing with Dylano for his post, could you not have explained? We've had a spate of these threads after their exams to the point that Terry had to create a sticky for LC student guidance for the forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,925 ✭✭✭✭challengemaster




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,846 ✭✭✭Jet Black


    From my personal experience you should never trust a woman. Something similar happened to a friend of a friend, his gf said she was told by a doctor she could not get pregenant. No prizes for guessing what happened..


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