Dubs overhyped

hello_there_jim · 07-06-2009 10:01PM #1

every year they're touted as bein in the mix for an all ireland! like i was listenin to the news and someone said they'll have to pick up if they want to win the all ireland. How can they be even thought of as all ireland winners. when have they proven their credentials? Just because they are the most supported team in ireland being the capital an' all they are good? No! In my opinion they are average and any average team could beat them on their day. Monaghan, Galway, Armagh, Fermanagh, Laois, Donaegal would beat them at least 4/10 times but a real team would beat these teams 9 times out of ten. No word of monaghan or galway winning sam!

yerayeah · 07-06-2009 10:04PM

Monaghan have about as much chance of winning Leinster as winning an AI!!

hello_there_jim · 07-06-2009 10:06PM

im talkin bout the all ireland!

yerayeah · 07-06-2009 10:10PM

I know! They're way too limited to win an all ireland.

lukin · 07-06-2009 10:10PM

hello_there_jim wrote: »

every year they're touted as bein in the mix for an all ireland! like i was listenin to the news and someone said they'll have to pick up if they want to win the all ireland. How can they be even thought of as all ireland winners. when have they proven their credentials? Just because they are the most supported team in ireland being the capital an' all they are good? No! In my opinion they are average and any average team could beat them on their day. Monaghan, Galway, Armagh, Fermanagh, Laois, Donaegal would beat them at least 4/10 times but a real team would beat these teams 9 times out of ten. No word of monaghan or galway winning sam!

Just typical Dub media bias. Sure most of the journos live there so they are all Dub supporters anyway. As for RTE, it might as well be called Radio Telefís Dublin!

hello_there_jim · 07-06-2009 10:16PM

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Flukey · 07-06-2009 10:17PM

lukin wrote: »

Just typical Dub media bias. Sure most of the journos live there so they are all Dub supporters anyway. As for RTE, it might as well be called Radio Telefís Dublin!

Yes, they live there, but they are not from there. If you are from any of other 31 counties and move to Dublin, you will still support your own county, probably even more so. Dublin get a lot of coverage, but it isn't always positive. All of us Dubs that were there today will know there shouldn't be too much positive out of it. The papers tomorrow and the television tonight and tomorrow won't be heaping praise on Dublin. I am watching the Sunday game as I type and Dublin are not getting much positive coverage, and rightly so. They were not good today.

hello_there_jim · 07-06-2009 10:20PM

Flukey wrote: »

Yes, they live there, but they are not from there. If you are from any of other 31 counties and move to Dublin, you will still support your own county, probably even more so. Dublin get a lot of coverage, but it isn't always positive. All of us Dubs that were there today will know there shouldn't be too much positive out of it. The papers tomorrow and the television tonight and tomorrow won't be heaping praise on Dublin. I am watching the Sunday game as I type and Dublin are not getting much positive coverage, and rightly so. They were not good today.

true but its only right!

they'll still probablt mention that hey'll have to buck up if they want to win sam!

Pride Fighter · 07-06-2009 10:21PM

hello_there_jim wrote: »

every year they're touted as bein in the mix for an all ireland! like i was listenin to the news and someone said they'll have to pick up if they want to win the all ireland. How can they be even thought of as all ireland winners. when have they proven their credentials? Just because they are the most supported team in ireland being the capital an' all they are good? No! In my opinion they are average and any average team could beat them on their day. Monaghan, Galway, Armagh, Fermanagh, Laois, Donaegal would beat them at least 4/10 times but a real team would beat these teams 9 times out of ten. No word of monaghan or galway winning sam!

Particularly in the last 4 years Dublin were touted as potential all Ireland winners. There was a simple reason for this. They were quite good for the last 4 years. They were pretty close for several of the years.

Now they are not really good. The new manager has disrupted the set up and made a balls of it. Dublin can still win Leinster, but have no chance for the AI, unlike the previous 4 years.

hello_there_jim · 07-06-2009 10:29PM

and surely playing in croke park is unfair? why not play in parnell park as they have a massive home crowd otherwise, albeit theres more money and more people get to see games and the stadium is used.

Flukey · 07-06-2009 10:30PM

hello_there_jim wrote: »

they'll still probablt mention that hey'll have to buck up if they want to win sam!

Them, and 31 other counties. It is early June. No team is good enough to win it yet. They didn't look as good today as they did in the past 4 years, but we are comparing June form with August form. They are a different thing altogether. All counties will improve. Dublin may not win the All-Ireland this year, but they will put up better performances than they did today. It is the best of those performances that have to compared against the last 4 years. We've not looked so great in the past few years in June either.

hello_there_jim · 07-06-2009 10:35PM

not every team has aspirations of winning sam!

yerayeah · 07-06-2009 10:41PM

hello_there_jim wrote: »

and surely playing in croke park is unfair? why not play in parnell park as they have a massive home crowd otherwise, albeit theres more money and more people get to see games and the stadium is used.

Since they consistently bring big numbers to Croke park I'd take no issue with that. The hype and pressure does them no favours, they always seem to struggle with it...

Flukey · 07-06-2009 10:47PM

hello_there_jim wrote:

Not every team has aspirations of winning sam!

So, do you think that if you went up to a player from one of the weaker counties that we know won't have a chance of winning the Sam Maguire this year and asked them "Would you like to win an All-Ireland medal?", that he'd answer "No."? Obviously not. They may not have much chance of doing so, but every single county should have aspirations of winning Sam. If any player did answer "No" to that question, well he shouldn't be on the panel. You go into every match attempting and wanting and intending to win. If you keep doing it, you'll find yourself on the steps of the Hogan Stand in September with a certain large trophy. You don't go into any match saying "Well, we won't try to win this one." Therefore you have aspirations of winning an All-Ireland title.

LeoB · 07-06-2009 10:54PM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Particularly in the last 4 years Dublin were touted as potential all Ireland winners. There was a simple reason for this. They were quite good for the last 4 years. They were pretty close for several of the years.

Now they are not really good. The new manager has disrupted the set up and made a balls of it. Dublin can still win Leinster, but have no chance for the AI, unlike the previous 4 years.[/quote

Agree with the first part of your post, Dublin had 1 poor performance in each of the last 4 years and it cost them dearly.

I think we need to give Gilroy a chance. The positives as I see it are he is giving plenty of players a chance and the panel may benifit from this as we move on. Ryan and Whelan need a break. Brennan and Flynn need football so possibly it was a risk worth taking. Next to be dropped should be Keaney, the amount of times he has cost us and again today with stupid shot selection and being overly selfish with the ball.

HELLO THERE JIM, you awake?:)

The G.A.A needs Dublin in Croke Pk. If they had triple header of games they would not fill it. I have no problem playing outside Dublin. Great days out in Navan, Portlaois, Tullamore and Thurles but Thurles is the only place that can cater the Dublin supporters.
As for the other counties you mentioned, I think Galway are the only side who would beat Dublin.
This is the time of year people start dubs bashing. No problem. I think people like you are just a bit jealous of what we have. We dont need people jumping on a supporters bandwagon and they should'nt anyway. They should be proud to support their own. But when they all go anti-Dublin its a bit sickening, its even more sickening when they appear on T.V and Radio.

mink_man · 07-06-2009 10:57PM

LeoB wrote: »

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Particularly in the last 4 years Dublin were touted as potential all Ireland winners. There was a simple reason for this. They were quite good for the last 4 years. They were pretty close for several of the years.

Now they are not really good. The new manager has disrupted the set up and made a balls of it. Dublin can still win Leinster, but have no chance for the AI, unlike the previous 4 years.[/quote

Agree with the first part of your post, Dublin had 1 poor performance in each of the last 4 years and it cost them dearly.

I think we need to give Gilroy a chance. The positives as I see it are he is giving plenty of players a chance and the panel may benifit from this as we move on. Ryan and Whelan need a break. Brennan and Flynn need football so possibly it was a risk worth taking. Next to be dropped should be Keaney, the amount of times he has cost us and again today with stupid shot selection and being overly selfish with the ball.

HELLO THERE JIM, you awake?:)

The G.A.A needs Dublin in Croke Pk. If they had triple header of games they would not fill it. I have no problem playing outside Dublin. Great days out in Navan, Portlaois, Tullamore and Thurles but Thurles is the only place that can cater the Dublin supporters.
As for the other counties you mentioned, I think Galway are the only side who would beat Dublin.
This is the time of year people start dubs bashing. No problem. I think people like you are just a bit jealous of what we have. We dont need people jumping on a supporters bandwagon and they should'nt anyway. They should be proud to support their own. But when they all go anti-Dublin its a bit sickening, its even more sickening when they appear on T.V and Radio.

how do you know?

Not every team has aspirations of winning sam

being able to win sam and wanting to win sam are two completely different things!

Flukey · 07-06-2009 10:57PM

hello_there_jim wrote: »

and surely playing in croke park is unfair? why not play in parnell park as they have a massive home crowd otherwise, albeit theres more money and more people get to see games and the stadium is used.

If they play in Croke Park they have a zero home crowd. Parnell Park, not Croke Park, is Dublin's home ground. Croke Park is a neutral ground for Dublin. People always talk about it as being an advantage to them. Let me remind you that they have not won an All-Ireland since 1995, and in those years have on nearly every occasion being knocked out of the championship in Croke Park. Some advantage, isn't it? When teams come to Croke Park to play Dublin, it is those teams that get the bigger impetus from it. What bigger incentive can a team get than to play Dublin in Croke Park? Even outside of that, there are plenty of counties that feel very much at home in Croke Park, so whatever advantage Dublin may have there, it is no bigger than many of the other teams who play regularly there. There aren't many counties that don't like playing in Croke Park.

LeoB · 07-06-2009 11:14PM

mink_man wrote: »

LeoB wrote: »

being able to win sam and wanting to win sam are two completely different things!

Well spotted, but I believe every county should set out to win it. If not why bother training and putting in the effort? You see very few counties go to lengths Kerry, Cork, Galway, Tyrone or Dublin go thats why there are expectations. Dont believe all the crap you hear about players from some counties training as hard as players from others, the fact is they dont. They go for their pints, dont eat properly, go to nitclubs and miss some training sessions.

What is this "how do you know?

mink_man · 07-06-2009 11:15PM

oh nothin leoB,

Browney7 · 07-06-2009 11:21PM

Yay Dublin bashing. Summer must finally be here.

//goes and gets hammer

cruiserweight · 07-06-2009 11:28PM

Sweet jesus it begins, if you post anything about Dublin you must either be a dub basher or pro dublin. What about having an opinion?

TBH over the last few years Dublin have been well worth their victories in Leinster, but have not been good enough to win the All Ireland. Their best chance and probably the closest that they have come was in 2007 IMO, they gave their best against Kerry and just were not good enough.

As for the Dubs being overhyped, newspapers want more readers, radio stations want more listeners and TV stations want more viewers. They do what they need to reach a wider audience, if you do not like it do not read, listen or watch. If enough people did this then maybe they would produce a different story.

kippy · 07-06-2009 11:30PM

cruiserweight wrote: »

Sweet jesus it begins, if you post anything about Dublin you must either be a dub basher or pro dublin. What about having an opinion?

TBH over the last few years Dublin have been well worth their victories in Leinster, but have not been good enough to win the All Ireland. Their best chance and probably the closest that they have come was in 2007 IMO, they gave their best against Kerry and just were not good enough.

As for the Dubs being overhyped, newspapers want more readers, radio stations want more listeners and TV stations want more viewers. They do what they need to reach a wider audience, if you do not like it do not read, listen or watch. If enough people did this then maybe they would produce a different story.

100% agree.
The fact is the dubs have the largest number of supporters. The media aim at that market. The only ones overhyping them are the media.
The've done okay the past few years, not the teams fault that a lot is expected of them.

entropi · 07-06-2009 11:39PM

As a Dub myself i could see from my seat in Upper Cusack today that yes, Dublin DO need work, i think thats a given concensus...but they done really well in the hurling against Antrim, nice margin to win by, and some good skill to be seen. In the football, they really could have done without 19 wides, put the chances for goal in the net, and less harder than needed tackles...that yellow should have been a red and he knows it too...

LeoB · 07-06-2009 11:41PM

CRUISERWEIGHT, Its the negative bashing. Moaning and bemoaning. You being a Wexford supporter should be more aware of this if you cast your mind back to the way say Liam Dunne got treated as a result of clowns on R.T.E while their own counties got away with murder.

Its fine to have an opinion and its great to have a place like boards where you can voice it but when media start on a roll against anyone that player or county invaribly starts to pop up a ccc meeting in Croke Pk.. A few comments from Brolly, Farrell, Finnerty or Davis is easily picked up by a hack who does not have the brain to write a decent article and bingo it starts again. I would say within the next month about 4 or 5 players will suffer as a result of this. I dont think its right.

youcrazyjesus! · 07-06-2009 11:42PM

To the OP: the only people on this island who talk about Dublin being all Ireland contenders and include the words "Dublin" and "hype" in the same sentence are bitter, petty minded inbreds with an inferiority complex. Grow up for ****s sake.

blackbelt · 08-06-2009 01:25AM

As Ciaran Whelan stated after the loss to Tyrone last year, "We can't blame pressure,when we win it's overhyped,when we lose it's overhyped.It's just part and parcel of being a Dublin footballer."

If there is one good thing to come out of today's performance is that there won't be any columnists writing about how Dublin look on course to take Sam.There is part of me that is really happy that the hype won't start yet.

Pridefighter,I have to disagree with you.Gilroy has not disrupted the Dublin panel.It is fair to say that change is needed and that the younger players need to be blooded into the panel now rather than asking them to fill big shoes of the experienced players that will retire.We got a win with a new look team today and in actual fact I think it was the more experienced players that let down the younger players by playing atrociously.

Back on topic though,Dublin won't get a 7 page pullout in th Independent tomorrow and all columnests such as Brehony and the like will have a field day telling us Dubs what we already know.Then you might have Eugene McGee selling this Dublin team off as a snake in the grass for Tyrone and Kerry.

Meanwhile,the papers have selected a new pet project to sell their papers to large audience.That comes in the form of th Cork footballers who are favourites to break Tyrone and Kerry's grasp on Sam.

smashey · 08-06-2009 01:33AM

Oh dear, another Summer and another Dublin/hype thread. And below, we have a perfect example of what we don't want to be seeing again on this forum.

youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

To the OP: the only people on this island who talk about Dublin being all Ireland contenders and include the words "Dublin" and "hype" in the same sentence are bitter, petty minded inbreds with an inferiority complex. Grow up for ****s sake.

youcrazyjesus, we have a general rule on boards of 'attack the post, not the poster.' Try to remember this in future.

Oh, that post earned you an infraction and I see from your profile, it isn't your first.

Mullet · 08-06-2009 01:59AM

lukin wrote: »

Just typical Dub media bias. Sure most of the journos live there so they are all Dub supporters anyway. As for RTE, it might as well be called Radio Telefís Dublin!

This is simply not true., Why don't you check were all the gaa "dublin based media" are from, you will be surprised to know that most of them are from outside of dublin. I have said it for years they build us up to be better then we are and then knock us at every opportunity.

They build us up in the national dailys and slag us off in their provicial papers. That is why i dont read any of the nonsense they write.

Neamhshuntasach · 08-06-2009 02:19AM

I was almost disappointed i stayed up till 3am to watch the game on the net. And why do people seem to think that Dublin get so much positive reviews? They are criticized a lot. Especially by the other 31 counties. So if someone from Dublin speaks favorably of them why should they not be entitled to? We need some balance since the rest of the country hates us.

John The Bad · 08-06-2009 09:16AM

LeoB wrote: »

mink_man wrote: »

Dont believe all the crap you hear about players from some counties training as hard as players from others, the fact is they dont. They go for their pints, dont eat properly, go to nitclubs and miss some training sessions.

What is this "how do you know?

I want an example, a proven example of this.

John The Bad · 08-06-2009 09:29AM

As a culchie, I'll say this -- culchies need to get off Dublin's back, for the sake of the genuine Dublin GAA fan (especially they ones who go to NFL matches), culchies need to understand that the Dublin players and genuine fans don't enjoy the hype and pressure landed on Dublin, culchies need realise that this is all a question of population (Dublin has the bigger population, buys the most newspapers, thus generates the bigger buzz) and culchies need admit that Dublin brings a lot of fun and colour to the Championship.

As for the Dubs -- Dubs need understand what it's like for the rest of us to hear Dublin mentioned as possible AI contenders at the start of every year, Dubs need to realise that not all Dublin-bashing is based on jealousy (I ask you, what's there to be jealous off) and Dubs need admit that their team is an average outfit at the minute.

Dubs overhyped

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