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M7 - Castletown to Nenagh

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  • #52
    mysterious
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    Furet wrote: »
    Open to traffic?

    No lol..


  • #53
    larryone
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    I'm assuming Furet's question was in relation to the bridges...


  • #54
    Amtmann
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    Indeed I did mean that. Mysterious, what do you mean by "very advanced"? Can you be specific? What aspects of the road surface are done, if any?


  • #55
    mysterious
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    Mountrath is going to be fun for the next 2 years:)


    When the Nenagh Limerick motorway and the tunnel is finished and opened to traffic is greatly going to exasperate on the Toome to Mountrath section at peak times.

    So with The N18 mostly complete and the Castleisland bypass underway. NWC and Abbeyfeale are going to be fun to drive through..


  • #56
    mysterious
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    Furet wrote: »
    Indeed I did mean that. Mysterious, what do you mean by "very advanced"? Can you be specific? What aspects of the road surface are done, if any?


    Well bridges are up and the earth works final layer is done the actual tarmacing is the next step, this is what I mean by very advanced in terms of the whole route. This is before Moneygall. This is the only section I can see from the road. The earthworks is fairly durable on this part anyway. The soil is very sandy and easy to work with as its generally very flat, this explains alot why they are working here. From Moneygall to the Borris in ossary seems more hilly and runs through different terrain all the time.


  • #57
    Amtmann
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    mysterious wrote: »
    Well bridges are up and the earth works final layer is done the actual tarmacing is the next step, this is what I mean by very advanced in terms of the whole route.

    Okay. But are the bridges open to traffic?
    From Moneygall to the Borris in ossary seems more hilly and runs through different terrain all the time.

    That's true. It runs through some awkward terrain.


  • #58
    Tech3
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    Furet wrote: »
    I took many photos of Nenagh-Castletown last March and it seemed spectacularly unadvanced, especially from Roscrea to the Castletown. That was then, however. Maybe things have picked up, but I won't take anyone's word for it.
    Pictures please!

    There has not been much more progress from what I saw from your photos Furet. I'll upload some I took a few days ago but there poor quality as I was driving. Some underbridges are going ok but the mainline is rather unadvanced. I could only find one overbridge but it wasnt open to traffic and probably will be within the next 2-3 months.


  • #59
    mysterious
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    Furet wrote: »
    Okay. But are the bridges open to traffic?



    That's true. It runs through some awkward terrain.

    From my understanding they were opened since april, from the contractors notice. I will contact my relatives that live on these back roads and will confirm this to you tommorrow.


  • #60
    Tech3
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    Heres some photos I have from passing the scheme a few days ago.



    Approaching the crossover on the N7 which is junction 23
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    Working on the underbridge for junction 23(the monster of a bridge that Myserious speaks of)
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    Crossover at the N62(junction 22) looking northbound
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    Crossover on a local road outside Roscrea heading southbound
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    Some signs of a few structures being complete
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  • #61
    Amtmann
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    Gotta say, not as advanced as I was expecting.


  • #62
    Tech3
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    Furet wrote: »
    Gotta say, not as advanced as I was expecting.

    I guess bog standard pics dont help but it was extremely difficult to find any advanced structure or part of the mainline. If any scheme is going to slip into 2011 its this one.


  • #63
    Tech3
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    Scruff wrote: »
    Which of those covers the mountrath - nenagh section?

    Nenagh-Castletown. It seems to be progressing very slowly. Do you live anywhere along that stretch Scruff?


  • #64
    Tech3
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    I got a link to the Nenagh-Castletown scheme by kildare co co:

    Nenagh-Castletown

    not sure if we can find which is an overbridge just as bad as the NRA's maps


  • #65
    jagged
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭jagged


    Some photos of the beam lifts a few wks ago,
    Str 12 just outside moneygall,

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    2009_0717work0102.jpg
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  • #66
    Tech3
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    Thanks for the great pics. Thats the bridge for J23 btw.


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  • #67
    Amtmann
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    Very cool images!


  • #68
    BluntGuy
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    Great snaps, cheers! :)


  • #69
    mysterious
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    The bridge decks have been up a while now. It's been 4 weeks since I past and they were already up


  • #70
    jagged
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    mysterious wrote: »
    The bridge decks have been up a while now. It's been 4 weeks since I past and they were already up

    Im lucky so, that i mentioned in my post that the photos were taken a few weeks ago:rolleyes:


  • #71
    Victor
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    Moved to Infrastructure.


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  • #72
    Amtmann
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    Just bumping this thread to remind everyone of its existence!

    This photo taken by bacon&cabbage, showing junction 21 of the scheme. Dated 28 September 2009:

    Image0042.jpg


  • #73
    Amtmann
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    There's a bit on Castletown - Nenagh in this online publication from page 9.


  • #74
    Tech3
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    The 36km Nenagh-Castletown scheme is due to open in December 2010

    One point I picked up from the article above. Surely this is not possible. I reckon it will drop into 2011.


  • #75
    mysterious
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    tech2 wrote: »
    One point I picked up from the article above. Surely this is not possible. I reckon it will drop into 2011.

    Some sections are very advanced while others are not Techy. I can see why you would assume its not that advanced. But this scheme is 36km long! The earthworks was huge from Clash to East of Roscrea! The amount of different soil variances and altitude differences is pretty dulating.

    About 5 weeks ago they layed the first layer of tarmac west of Moneygall. This scheme is slow, but I do think it will open ontime. It was meant to open in september 2010.


  • #76
    Amtmann
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    Lads, any chance of an update on this road? I see that there's a stop/go system in place on the N62 3km south of Roscrea; unless I'm mistaken, that's where the new M7 junction 22 will be.


  • #77
    Tech3
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    Furet wrote: »
    Lads, any chance of an update on this road? I see that there's a stop/go system in place on the N62 3km south of Roscrea; unless I'm mistaken, that's where the new M7 junction 22 will be.

    Yep that's where J22 is, maybe we should make a request for photos on the regional forums and post them up here then. It worked for G-C before I started taking some pics for the scheme.

    Btw some information about one overbridge that is open to traffic that was posted on the M7 thread:
    The Word Is Bor wrote: »
    Head about 1km west from Moneygall. Take the second right turn past the 100kph speed limit sign. Head down there about 500m or so.


  • #78
    bacon&cabbage
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    Looking west from J21 at the weekend (near Borris in Ossory)


    Image0055.jpg


  • #79
    Amtmann
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    Cheers, B&C.

    Slow going! Perhaps it's a trick of the camera, but the mainline past the junction doesn't look very advanced at all.


  • #80
    mysterious
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    This section is very unadvanced. But from Moneygall and Nenagh things are really picking up. The Moneygall interchange is ongoing. The Nenagh interchange is speeding up. The earthworks are almost done.

    I asked the siteman about when it's going to finished he said october 2010.

    All the bridges are complete. I can't say from the Borris in ossary end though!.

    I will post up pictures once I figure how to send it off my phone.


  • #81
    jagged
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    I will take some pics this week and post up.


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  • #82
    The Word Is Bor
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    mysterious wrote: »
    This section is very unadvanced. But from Moneygall and Nenagh things are really picking up. The Moneygall interchange is ongoing. The Nenagh interchange is speeding up. The earthworks are almost done.

    I asked the siteman about when it's going to finished he said october 2010.

    All the bridges are complete. I can't say from the Borris in ossary end though!.

    I will post up pictures once I figure how to send it off my phone.

    The earthworks east facing slips at the Nenagh Interchange have yet to commence. All the bridges are not complete between Nenagh and Moneygall. Also it is very doubtful that the scheme will open in October 2010.


  • #83
    mysterious
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    The Word Is Bor wrote: »
    The earthworks east facing slips at the Nenagh Interchange have yet to commence. All the bridges are not complete between Nenagh and Moneygall. Also it is very doubtful that the scheme will open in October 2010.

    Cus they are working on the west facing ones... lol.. They can't touch the east facing ones until they retrofit the bridge and move the R445 alignment.

    Well i spoke with the guys at the site I will ask again tomorrow,


  • #84
    The Word Is Bor
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    mysterious wrote: »
    Cus they are working on the west facing ones... lol.. They can't touch the east facing ones until they retrofit the bridge and move the R445 alignment.

    Yet you state in your earlier post that.
    mysterious wrote:
    The Nenagh interchange is speeding up. The earthworks are almost done.

    So, how does <50% of the earthworks = "nearly done"?

    BTW, you still haven't backed up your claim that "all the bridges are complete".


  • #85
    mysterious
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    The Word Is Bor wrote: »
    Yet you state in your earlier post that.



    So, how does <50% of the earthworks = "nearly done"?

    BTW, you still haven't backed up your claim that "all the bridges are complete".



    I never said all bridges


    Earthworks I meant was the mainline. The Nenagh interchange has been untouched until last. The Moneygall and N62 interchanges have been ongoing.

    But if you want to make an argument about this. I will leave you here.:D


  • #86
    The Word Is Bor
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    mysterious wrote: »

    All the bridges are complete.

    mysterious wrote: »
    I never said all bridges

    Now, how exactly are those two sentences different? Answers on a postcard please to the usual address. First prize will be the gift of irony.


  • #87
    mysterious
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    Ok lads, I have been saying for months that I will post pictures. But I have lost a lot of my pictures over the whole year due to loss of phone and what not. I still have many over the course of the year saved. I will over the next week or two post them on here. I have said to Furet about this already. So I will get them all together. I promise I will contribute more. It seems the M7 despite all it's setbacks and problems with money/finances, it has gotten the least attention with regards to picture snapping.

    I will take on that role from now on. So just want to thank all those who have gotten out of their way to get pictures of the M7 over the last year or two.

    Final part to my question, Where can you buy decent cheap trees to plant on roadside and what trees is best to plant. I don't really want to buy massive awakard trees that take forever to grow and forever to blossom either. So what are you tips? I'm already planting flowers and blubs atm.


    I am aslo quite angry at the contractor that is currently onsite who are working on the Nenagh bypass interchange end. They have dug up every tree and shrub on it's course and destroyed everything. There should be some sort of solution to these current issues whereby trees and shrubs can be replanted. Of course there is allowance for not all to be saved. But i think it's degrading and downright lazyiness to destroy everything that once grew on the roadside coming up to the Nenagh bypass interchange. Mnay of these native wonderful trees have been growing there for the last 10 years. It was actually quite impressionable to see many Irish plants been planted on many roadside motorways. This is something the NRA put alot of work and effort into before many of the MIUs. Now this kind of nature work is almost non existent. Ireland were the forefront of growing all sorts of Native trees up to the late 1990s. What the hell has happened folks???


    I just want to bring my conclusion as to why I'm angry about all of this again. There is at least 400 plants and trees destroyed and bulldozed in exchange of bear grass once the new slips are opened to traffic for the new M7 in that area alone. I'm also aware this is happening all over the country with many new roads taking shape. I ask, is this the kind of reality we want? Rip our countryside and not take any care along the way by giving something back to nature? I am baffled with regards to the NRA lack of respect in nature, something they did have more respect for up through the years.

    Regards.


  • #88
    mysterious
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    The Word Is Bor wrote: »
    Now, how exactly are those two sentences different? Answers on a postcard please to the usual address. First prize will be the gift of irony.

    Oh stop been childish The word is bar, you deliberately took my quotes out of context. If you quoted the whole sentence you would not have to play these silly games. I thought you would have the cop on and take yourself more seriously than this kind of tit for tat.:rolleyes:


    I said all the bridges from Monegall to Nenagh were completed.

    Which does not mean all bridges on the Castletown scheme is completed. Most bridges are indeed nearly finshed however. If you want to take my post out of context again, go ahead, but your making quite a judgement about yourself.

    With all respect, please stop trying to get my reaction in order to gain some ridicoulous argument out of it. I have more important things to do with my time.


  • #89
    mysterious
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    Lads, the Arch bridge looks terribly narrow on the inside. It can fit 4 running lanes, but It will be much tighter than the other bridges. The Arch is right up against the Merging inside lane (which will now be a running lane) That merging lane is also slightly narrower than a running lane.

    With a median, hard strips on either side, Would it be better if the sunk the Road by 2 metres to give more width to the road?


  • #90
    Zoney
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    mysterious:

    Just an off-topic note about planting - the M20 is an example of nice planting of native trees, quite a mix too and not out of place compared to small bits of local woods near the road in parts, or along the railway line. Now almost ten years later it's finally looking quite good. Next spring should be quite impressive (indeed with the rain early in the year and later in the summer, there was a huge growth spurt this year).

    My concern would be that with these trees maturing, we need crash barriers along the motorway verges.


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  • #91
    mysterious
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    Zoney wrote: »
    mysterious:

    Just an off-topic note about planting - the M20 is an example of nice planting of native trees, quite a mix too and not out of place compared to small bits of local woods near the road in parts, or along the railway line. Now almost ten years later it's finally looking quite good. Next spring should be quite impressive (indeed with the rain early in the year and later in the summer, there was a huge growth spurt this year).

    My concern would be that with these trees maturing, we need crash barriers along the motorway verges.


    If people drived properly and responsbily we wouldn't "need" to put barriers on every stretch of road.:rolleyes:


  • #92
    L1011
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    mysterious wrote: »
    If people drived properly and responsbily we wouldn't "need" to put barriers on every stretch of road.:rolleyes:

    In countries where people usually drive to a higher standard than here, they have continuous median barriers on busy roads. Crashes happen.

    We're using collapsible signage supports and putting armco around bit lamp stantions and bridge supports but not worrying about the fact that a mature tree is probably a lot worse to hit than a lamp pole!


  • #93
    Amtmann
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    I think the discussion on landscaping is more suited to this thread.


  • #94
    The Word Is Bor
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    mysterious wrote: »
    Oh stop been childish The word is bar, you deliberately took my quotes out of context. If you quoted the whole sentence you would not have to play these silly games. I thought you would have the cop on and take yourself more seriously than this kind of tit for tat.:rolleyes:


    I said all the bridges from Monegall to Nenagh were completed.

    Which does not mean all bridges on the Castletown scheme is completed. Most bridges are indeed nearly finshed however. If you want to take my post out of context again, go ahead, but your making quite a judgement about yourself.

    With all respect, please stop trying to get my reaction in order to gain some ridicoulous argument out of it. I have more important things to do with my time.

    Liar. Your previous posts are there for all to see.

    Driving eastwards from the Nenagh Arch Bridge the first overbridge is located on the road to Ballymackey. Take the first left past the Nenagh Interchange. The overbridge is about 200m or so down this road. This overbridge is not complete..

    The next overbridge is essentially an accommodation overbridge serving a private road. This overbridge is not complete.

    The next overbridge can be viewed by taking the left at Josie's in Toomevara and driving about 2km northwest. This overbridge is not complete.

    After that there are 2 No. accommodation underpasses. These are complete.

    The next overbridge is at Clash Cross. After leaving Toomevara (past the 100kph speed limit), take the next left at the crossroads. Follow this road for about 1km or so. This overbridge is substantially complete and should be open to traffic fairly soon.

    Then there is a river bridge, which is complete.

    The next overbridge is accessed by taking the next left off the N7, just at the Tipp/Offaly border. It's about 1km down this road. This overbridge is complete.

    The next overbridge is accessed by taking the next left off the N7. This overbridge is not complete.

    The next structure is the R490 Cloughjordan Road underbridge in Moneygall. This is complete.

    After that you have the N7 underbridge at the Moneygall junction.

    So, all the bridges are not complete between Nenagh and Moneygall. However I am prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to provide photographic evidence that these bridges are in fact complete. I think my directions, along with your undoubted local knowledge should allow you to find these complete bridges.

    The reason I am calling you out on your continuing lies is that the vast majority of people viewing and posting on these type of threads don't see these scheme's in progress. By virtue of the posting/viewing they have an interest in the scheme(s). Your lies only serve to misinform people and create unreal expectations of progress.


  • #95
    Joey Joe-Joe Jr
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    mysterious wrote: »
    If people drived properly and responsbily we wouldn't "need" to put barriers on every stretch of road.:rolleyes:

    Oh dear God!

    ... I've been a very good boy this year Santa, and also I'd like a world with no wars where everybody gets to eat lots of sweets and they won't rot your teeth and I'd like my cat to be able talk to me and I'd like my tricycle to be able fly and .......

    Yours sincerely,

    mysterious


  • #96
    Tech3
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    Furet will be happy reading this! :D

    Nenagh to Castletown M7 planned landscaping

    Last month saw an exciting new project starting to take shape on the Nenagh-Castletown section of the M7 motorway with the planting of organic hayseeds, which it is hoped will line the new route with a beautiful array of wildflowers. Part of a pioneering project undertaken between main contractors Bowen-Somague JV, international engineering and design specialists Atkins Global, and University College Cork, the scheme involves planting the hayseeds on selected plots along the 36km route.


    Wildflowers.jpg.jpg


    The seeds in question were provided by Cappawhite farmer Tom Coffey, who owns one of Ireland’s treasure troves of ancient history at Carnahalla. Tom’s farm, which exhibits important archaeological evidence of human settlement stretching back as far as 6,000 years ago, boasts a traditional organic meadow that has remained much the same for the last thousand years. Carnahalla is one of only a small number of farms of its kind in this country, and Tom therefore turned out to be an ideal donor for the new M7 project.
    Lisa Dolan, the project’s team leader for environmental design, says the hayseeds from the Carnahalla meadow are perfect for what the group is trying to achieve on the M7. She explained that meadows that have been fertilised over time yield a poor diversity of wildflower. Those being supplied by Tom however have not been tainted and are likely to germinate into a much better quality and range of flower along the new road.
    The meadowland at Carnahalla yields a rich biodiversity of flora, including such species as orchids, ragged robin, mint, sorrel, vetch, rush, sedge, silver weed and meadow sweet.
    The Carnahalla hay was cut in the early autumn, and the hayseeds are to now be spread along the Nenagh-Castletown route ahead of its scheduled opening at the end of next year.

    Link


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  • #97
    Amtmann
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    Interesting indeed. However, the one thing about hay meadows is that they're supposed to be cut. Who will cut it on the M7? What this essentially means is that we will have another treeless gash through the countryside. And though it will look nice from April to June each year, after that it will resemble a savanah and look totally out of place - unless it's tended to, which it won't be.


  • #98
    Chris_533976
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    Translates to me as "We're putting weeds down".


  • #99
    Amtmann
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    The NRA's Seán O'Neill has stated this will be finished in 2010: http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1218/galway_av.html (end of the interview)


  • #100
    Tech3
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    I had a quick look at the most northerly section of this scheme today.

    The overbridge after the Nenagh bypass is not well advanced as the ones on the Gort to Crusheen scheme. There is another overbridge north of the local road at Toomyvara and this is also not complete though there is some CBM on the mainline which was surprising. The embankment is advanced for both overbridges.


  • #101
    ilovegermany
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    Just wondering if anybody knows is the EIS for this scheme available online?


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