McIntyre OUT!!

What do you want Leo that they should just hand Dublin a place in a leinster final, if their good enough, and their not far off, then they will get there and they will be all the better for having done so in a more competitive championship, the only major problem I would have with the inclusion of Galway and Antrim into leinster is that it is only for inter county senior championship which is ludicrous if Galway wanted in and Leinster wanted them in then is should have been at every age group and for the club competitions also.

Benhonan wrote: »

Low blow Leob. For the record we took a few hidings alright, but before the mid 90s there were plenty of times we knocked the bigger names out of the championship. Like Waterford we were never lucky when it came to Munster finals, but we were competitive all along. Can you remember the last time any county in Connacht beat Galway in the championship?

As regards whinging about not being able to win Leinster it's simple: Kilkenny are the best team in Ireland and that looks set to continue for a while. Dublin and Laois are not going to beat them in the next few years anyway, so what difference is it going to make having Galway in the championship? Denying ye the right to get a beating in the Leinster final rather than the semi-final? Please.

For the record I think ye're selling ye'rselves short against Wexford, they're division 2 and Dublin are division 1 mid-table. I'd rank Dublin as being joint third with Offaly and Wexford, and I think that the addition of the other counties will be a bonus to Dublin in the long run.

My comment was not meant to be a low blow, Apologies. I like many remember Johnny Callinan, Seamus Durack and them lads bringing great joy to many households in the late 70s.
I am not whinging about not being able to win Leinster but like others point out a number of years ago a huge effort was put into Dublin underage structures and it has lifted the county with some good underage teams over the last few years. Why cant May, Roscommon Derry and Down do the same then we would have 4 championships.
I just strongly feel Galway are being accomadated in Leinster and the draw should see them play Kilkenny in the semi final. Kilkenny or Galway can probably afford to lose a game Dublin cant for the simple reason playing numbers and strenth in depth. Of the top counties, K.K Galway, Cork, Tipp, Waterford all have players not in their first 24 who would get onto Dublin team while Dublin probably have 5 or 6!! Am I selling them short? I dont think Dublin would get a hammering in Leinster final its getting there is he problem. If they did get there it would I think make them more competitive on a yearly basis.

Premierstone, I nor no other Dub wnts to be handed a place in Leinster final but we dont want any unfair obsticale put in the way. The wor has been done but now we have things made more difficult. Would you feel any different? Its not a problem you lads from the "Big" hurling counties have. Probably a fair point about the clubs in and underage teams but would the clubs in Mayo and Roscommon go for it? I dont think so, or the teams in Ulster? Not a hope.

Back to thread McIntyre got it right in my opinion with his selection last Sunday and any unrest will be picked up by Media and the year could a serious negativeeffect on Galway.

CyberDave wrote: »

The probelm is as usual. He won't be given the time. The county board are too quick to get rid of a manager when he isn't successful. Loughnane should have got another year. He shot himself in the foot by saying that he would deliver in two years. Part of the reason that Kilkenny is so successful is that Cody has been there so long and knows the players inside out. Since 1988 (when Galway last won a senior All-Ireland) Kilkenny have won something like 13 All-Ireland underage titles, Galway have won 11. So, the talent is there. But, the type of player Galway tends to produce are small quick and technically good. There is a huge lack of big ball winning players like Chunky. We need his presence to break the ball. He is definitely morre effective at doing this than Farragher. Word also has it that he has been in great form lately as well in challenge matches. Scoring 0-4 from play against Waterford. Galway have too many other forwards in the Farragher mould, there can't be place for all of them. Take away Farraghers frees during the league and you will see that he has contributed very little from play.

Style alone wins very little. Look at Dubs footballers who promise so much most years but dont really deliver. As for Farragher he is a good Hurler but Galway need something different at present.

"The weaker counties will never make the grade." "A Longford v Louth Leinster Hurling final, with Louth having beaten Kilkenny in the semi-final by 10 points is pure fantasy." "None of the weaker counties have a hope of ever achieving anything, so let's not bother with those counties."

These are the things that people will tell you and use as reasons not to do anything. Let me take you back a small bit. You don't have to go very far back to a time when you heard this kind of stuff:

"Offaly win a Leinster Hurling title? Don't be ridiculous. Win the All-Ireland, the following year? Are you crazy?"

"Galway to win the All-Ireland Hurling title? You are kidding me. They'll do it 3 times in the one decade? They haven't won it at all for nearly 6 decades, so there is no chance."

"Clare to win the Munster Hurling title, something they haven't done for over 60 years, and in the same year win the All-Ireland, after over 80 years! You should be locked up in a secure facility."

"An Ulster team to win the All-Ireland Football title, the first of four wins in a row for Ulster? Are you totally out of your mind? Two out of those four will be first-time winners, including Donegal? Craziness, total craziness."

"Armagh and Tyrone to win the All-Ireland 4 times in total with each of them beating Kerry enroute, 3 of them in finals. What are you smoking?"

"Clare, Leitrim, Westmeath, Sligo, Kildare and Laois to win their Football provincial titles. You should get yourself measured for a strait jacket."

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Well lads, I could go on. Like all of these, there are in fact a few other "crazy" things that have also happened in very recent times that I've left out. As you all know, all of these things have happened and it is not that long ago that they would have been regarded as completely insane, just as insane as a Longford v Louth Leinster Hurling Final would seem to you now, and a lot of them a lot more crazy than that.

Starting with Galway winning the All-Ireland Hurling title in 1980, the same year as Offaly won their first ever Leinster Hurling, who then went on to win the All-Ireland the following year, all of the above "crazy" things have happened. In the history of the GAA, no weaker county has ever won a provincial or All-Ireland title, but lots of counties that were regarded as weaker counties just a few years prior to that, have done exactly that. Lots of the counties I've listed above with their successes would have been regarded as weaker counties just a few years before it and it would have been insane to even consider that they could do it. A lot of them, like Westmeath winning what, don't forget, was their first ever Leinster title in 2003, are well within your memories. Even amongst the youngest of you, it is well within your lifetime that the very idea of that would be totally crazy.

There is the joke about the Donegal captain asking a Kerryman what he should do when Donegal when the All-Ireland. "Well take the Sam Maguire in your left hand, and shake the Queen's hand with your right hand" says the Kerryman. "The Queen will never present the Sam Maguire" says the Donegal captain. "It'll happen before Donegal ever win the Sam Maguire" replies the Kerryman. I remember hearing that only a few years before Donegal did win it. There are other versions, where you heard Donegal exchanged with another county, many of whom now have also achieved success.

A few close things have happened too. Fermanagh came within a whisker of winning their first ever Ulster title last year. They were in an All-Ireland semi final in recent years too. If you suggested that it could happen just a few years ago, you'd probably be still in solitary confinement in a mental institution now, with no chance of release in the foreseeable future. Limerick, whose last Munster Football title was in 1896 threw away a Munster final just a few years back when they were by far the better team on the day.

Clare's win in 1992 was the first non Kerry/Cork win since 1935. Not long before that they were getting the kind of hidings from Cork and Kerry, that many of you are saying would happen if we let some of the Hurling teams play in the championship proper. People were saying it was pointless having more than Kerry and Cork in the Munster football championship.

You can try and say these have happened because of open draws and the qualifiers, but a lot of them weren't. Even ones that did happen when open draws were brought in and qualifiers introduced, still meant they had to go out and beat the same teams that were running them off the pitch a few years before. Clare's Munster Football win in 1992, came in the second year of the open draw in Munster, but Clare still had to beat Kerry, a team that were inflicting embarrassing scores against them a few years before that. Clare beat Kerry in that 1992 final, not the open draw.

All of the things that people are saying in this thread can't happen, actually could. If people get out of the "it'll never happen so let's not bother doing anything" mindset, as people in all of those counties did, it could happen. There won't be a Longford v Louth Leinster Hurling final, with Louth having beaten Kilkenny in the semi-final by 10 points any time soon, but if people dropped the mindset that is rampant throughout this thread and in many parts of the GAA, it could be a lot sooner than you think. As I've shown you.... crazier things have happened.

Many threads end up slipping off topic as they progress Portumna, which is natural. It is the same as any conversation that starts off as one thing and ends up somewhere else. Getting back to the initial topic then, McIntyre can't be held totally responsible for Galway. In any case, they won on Sunday. They'll improve over the summer. He isn't doing a bad job.

So OP you still want McIntyre out?

premierstone wrote: »

So OP you still want McIntyre out?

Don't think he'll be replying seeing as he's been banned!

davestar wrote: »

please delete this topic . any manager that can keep within 5 poins of kilkenny is well worth his place . there were a few mistakes here and there saturday but galway will learn from that . people writing off mcintyre after a 5 point loss to a team that are said to be unbeatabe ? DISGRACE. i see davey fitz is still managing waterford after being wiped out in the all-ireland final , and fair play to him . this iss gaa , not soccer where a manager is let go after 6 months . give the guy a chance!!

Easy on there davestar. Have a look at the dates. This was started up before the Laois game and was bumped today. If you look back through the thread you'll see premierstone, Cyberdave and myself defend McIntrye. Premierstone just wanted to see what the OP thought now after a good performance against KK.

Antrim in the Ulster Football Final - another one to add to the list I posted in post #38 of things that people would have thought could not happen but did. That Longford v Louth Leinster senior hurling final edges a little closer.