Corrib gas, the truth is out

F-Stop · 02-06-2009 11:05PM

Shacklebolt wrote: »

But there are no trees in Erris

New Zealand Flax huggers???

dubsgirl · 02-06-2009 11:05PM

dlofnep wrote: »

It's a national resource, not a local one. Jobs being created does not dismiss the greater good that would come from a nationalised field.

Who's fault is that? It's not Shell anyway they see a good deal they'll take it..
thats business..

F-Stop · 02-06-2009 11:06PM

irishbran77, did you watch the programme?

dlofnep · 02-06-2009 11:07PM

F-Stop wrote: »

But that is not what is being protested.

Actually it is one of the issues that are being protested against.

dlofnep · 02-06-2009 11:08PM

dubsgirl wrote: »

Who's fault is that? It's not Shell anyway they see a good deal they'll take it..
thats business..

It's the Irish Government's fault. Are you trying to make a point? Business at the expense of the Irish people, isn't a good deal for the Irish people - now is it?

Terry · 02-06-2009 11:09PM

jape wrote: »

I haven't watched this but does the fact that our government - (in particular fianna fail and bertie ahern), have lost the country over €400 billion by selling those oil resources to shell then buying them back at inflated prices, not annoy anyone?

I bet that wasn't mentioned in this "unbiased" news programme. Rofl.

It's about as unbiased as TV3 can get seeing as they are not actually an Irish owned company.

As for the former Taoiseach and his handling of the whole thing, well I thing every contract should be nullified and the oil kept for ourselves.
Unfortunately that is not going to happen. All we can ask for now is that Irish people be given the majority of jobs in this project and that the jobs are not given to foreigners who will work for peanuts.

dlofnep wrote: »

It's a national resource, not a local one. Jobs being created does not dismiss the greater good that would come from a nationalised field.

Hi. I'm an English hippy and I think everything belongs to mother earth.
I will take my cause to the extreme limit and will throw myself in front of progress.
I'm a hot chick, so I will have plenty of men to support me.
They're all stoned, so they will do anything I say if they think i'll blow them.

Thus ends our lesson on professional protesters.

Shacklebolt · 02-06-2009 11:10PM

F-Stop wrote: »

New Zealand Flax huggers???

Oh look theres one! Quick hug it!

http://www.castlebar.ie/artman2/uploads/1/mulranny-013.jpg

irishbran77 · 02-06-2009 11:10PM

F Stop... why would you ask that? OF course I watched it as I've implied.

dlofnep · 02-06-2009 11:11PM

Terry wrote: »

Hi. I'm an English hippy and I think everything belongs to mother earth.
I will take my cause to the extreme limit and will throw myself in front of progress.
I'm a hot chick, so I will have plenty of men to support me.
They're all stoned, so they will do anything I say if they think i'll blow them.

Er, it's not about "mother earth" and hugging trees. I'll chop a feckin' tree down faster than you can close a thread.

It's about controlling national resources which can be used to build up national wealth - instead of selling it off for a quick buck. Do you not see the merit behind this?

Stench Blossoms · 02-06-2009 11:12PM

I thought the Garda came across very badly in it.

Hadn't planned on watching it because it was Paul Williams but it wasn't the worst.

Terry · 02-06-2009 11:13PM

Oh yeah. I'm a racist for saying that these jobs should go to Irish people, despite the government selling out to a foreign company.
Here's to the recession and all those on the dole.
I wish you all well because you will have a hard time getting a job in Ireland because employers don't want to be deemed racist by hiring Irish people.

F-Stop · 02-06-2009 11:13PM

I ask because you seemed to ignore my earlier question, perhaps you missed it.

youcrazyjesus! · 02-06-2009 11:13PM

brundle wrote: »

Anyone see the paul williams programme on TV3. Being local myself, I can say that it covered the issues and got it pretty damn spot on. Those three huggers have no support locally and hopefully now the rest of the country can see whats really going on there.

I find Paul Williams to be a profoundly insightful deep thinking investigative journalist whose tenacity and determination to bring us hard news is only matched by the insightfullness of his reports. His undoubtedly balanced approach is a breath of fresh air in a media environment where sensationalism is everywhere.

Only joking. In my opinion he's a terrible journalist whose articles I wouldn't use to wipe my hole.

dlofnep · 02-06-2009 11:14PM

Terry wrote: »

Oh yeah. I'm a racist for saying that these jobs should go to Irish people, despite the government selling out to a foreign company.
Here's to the recession and all those on the dole.
I wish you all well because you will have a hard time getting a job in Ireland because employers don't want to be deemed racist by hiring Irish people.

lol??? Where is this coming from?

F-Stop · 02-06-2009 11:14PM

Shacklebolt wrote: »

Oh look theres one! Quick hug it!

http://www.castlebar.ie/artman2/uploads/1/mulranny-013.jpg

That's not New Zealand Flax.

Aidric · 02-06-2009 11:16PM

RATM wrote: »

Well I didnt see it but the fact that Paul McWilliams was presenting it makes any claims made on it seem less credible tbh.

Pinch of salt.

mal1 · 02-06-2009 11:17PM

Dlofnep - You haven't outlined your proposal for a nationalised gas field? Are we going to fly across the ocean and ask our Venezuelan friend Chavez to help?

dubsgirl · 02-06-2009 11:17PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Er, it's not about "mother earth" and hugging trees. I'll chop a feckin' tree down faster than you can close a thread.

It's about controlling national resources which can be used to build up national wealth - instead of selling it off for a quick buck. Do you not see the merit behind this?

Fine in an ideal world with a government that has a clue...

However do you think these protestors would be agreeable to a pipeline running through their area if it was done by someone other than Shell.

My understanding of this particular protest is that they have a problem with the pipeline ergo they have a problem with Shell.

Stands to reason that we need to pipeline to pipe the gas so protest would be ongoing anyway...

testicle · 02-06-2009 11:20PM

dubsgirl wrote: »

However do you think these protestors would be agreeable to a pipeline running through their area if it was done by someone other than Shell.

But it isn't their area. Most of the protesters are from nowhere near Bangor Erris.

BendiBus · 02-06-2009 11:20PM

I haven't paid any attention to this whole saga, but regarding this "national asset" thing, are people suggesting Brian Cowen does a Hugo Chavez and just takes the Corrib field off Shell?

Terry · 02-06-2009 11:20PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Er, it's not about "mother earth" and hugging trees. I'll chop a feckin' tree down faster than you can close a thread.

It's about controlling national resources which can be used to build up national wealth - instead of selling it off for a quick buck. Do you not see the merit behind this?

I'm with you.
I put the sarcastic bit in italics.
The majority of those stirring up crap are rent-a-hippy types.

Shell should not have control of this, but the pipeline should go ahead.
The government is completely to blame for this.
They sold the rights to Shell and should not have done that.
This should be a uniquely Irish project.
There is a lot more oil out there and we need to develop out own industry based around it.

The time will come when we will have to battle the British and the Danish over control of the North Atlantic oil that is quite cleary ours.
This battle will not be fought with bombs and stuff, but within Europe and we need politicians with balls to stand up and say that it is ours, even if the British stuck a flag on a rock a few hundred miles away.

dlofnep · 02-06-2009 11:21PM

mal1 wrote: »

Dlofnep - You haven't outlined your proposal for a nationalised gas field? Are we going to fly across the ocean and ask our Venezuelan friend Chavez to help?

Are you telling me that they can't hire independant contractors to perform testing/drilling? Such a person does not exist?

How do you think other small countries accomplish such a task? The nordic countries have a very prosperous economy, largely due to the wealth accumulated from national resources such as oil.

Carlow52 · 02-06-2009 11:23PM

RATM wrote: »

Well I didnt see it but the fact that Paul McWilliams was presenting it makes any claims made on it seem less credible tbh.

True: I hate that mf ever since he made this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8iaxeWyCJE

However I find Paul Williams a very credible

AH
Nice to see all the folks who thanked the OP for the McW comment:)

dlofnep · 02-06-2009 11:24PM

dubsgirl wrote: »

Fine in an ideal world with a government that has a clue...

However do you think these protestors would be agreeable to a pipeline running through their area if it was done by someone other than Shell.

My understanding of this particular protest is that they have a problem with the pipeline ergo they have a problem with Shell.

Stands to reason that we need to pipeline to pipe the gas so protest would be ongoing anyway...

Look - there are various reasons for protesting. Some are protesting based on the issues of safety - I'm not a gasline expert, so I'm about as educated as yourself on how safe it is. So I've no comment on it. If it is unsafe, then they have merit behind their protesting.

My gripe would personally be with selling off national resources to foreign companies - which could be better used for a sustained source of wealth in our country. Especially in times like this. Think nordic countries are talking about recession every 24 minutes?

Shacklebolt · 02-06-2009 11:25PM

F-Stop wrote: »

That's not New Zealand Flax.

Its one of the few naturally occuring trees in Erris.

Terry · 02-06-2009 11:26PM

dlofnep wrote: »

lol??? Where is this coming from?

You obviously haven't been reading AH lately.
I'm a racist for saying that Irish jobs should go to Irish people first and foremost.

It's something that has been practiced by the much loved U.S., Canada and Australia over the years, but if you say the same rules should apply here then you are completely and utterly racist and love Hitler.

You should see some of the reported posts.
I'm Satan, his minions and am in hell already.

dlofnep · 02-06-2009 11:26PM

Terry wrote: »

I'm with you.

Sorry :P

mal1 · 02-06-2009 11:27PM

Terry wrote: »

I'm with you.
I put the sarcastic bit in italics.
The majority of those stirring up crap are rent-a-hippy types.

Shell should not have control of this, but the pipeline should go ahead.
The government is completely to blame for this.
They sold the rights to Shell and should not have done that.
This should be a uniquely Irish project.
There is a lot more oil out there and we need to develop out own industry based around it.

The time will come when we will have to battle the British and the Danish over control of the North Atlantic oil that is quite cleary ours.
This battle will not be fought with bombs and stuff, but within Europe and we need politicians with balls to stand up and say that it is ours, even if the British stuck a flag on a rock a few hundred miles away.

It's the government's fault, in that we can't possibly do this project alone. They would if we could. We need help from other countries to design and build a project on this scale. It's too late to make this project 'uniquely Irish'. We simply need the gas now and can't wait another 20 years to build up an industry and the expertise to do it alone. It's as simple as that. That's why we are getting f*cked.

The same will happen when we move to nuclear. Can you see a nuclear engineer/science course in Ireland? Nope. So we will have to get the French in when that comes around, and it will cost us big time!

dlofnep · 02-06-2009 11:27PM

Terry wrote: »

You obviously haven't been reading AH lately.
I'm a racist for saying that Irish jobs should go to Irish people first and foremost.

It's something that has been practiced by the much loved U.S., Canada and Australia over the years, but if you say the same rules should apply here then you are completely and utterly racist and love Hitler.

You should see some of the reported posts.
I'm Satan, his minions and am in hell already.

I'm totally out of the loop man. I tend to wave in and out of threads picking up a few posts here and there. lol

starn · 02-06-2009 11:30PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Are you telling me that they can't hire independant contractors to perform testing/drilling? Such a person does not exist?

How do you think other small countries accomplish such a task? The nordic countries have a very prosperous economy, largely due to the wealth accumulated from national resources such as oil.

It costs a compant like Shell somewhere in the region of 100 million to asses a site. That is all spent before any drilling starts, and there is no gaurente off finding anything.

How much do you think it would cost a goverment that spent 52 million on electronic voting machines

Corrib gas, the truth is out

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