I got a Copyright Infringement Notice from UTV Internet

Firetrap · 27-05-2009 11:43PM

Looking at the letter that the OP received, does this mean that if he/she doesn't download any more copyright material that no further action will be taken?

seanybiker · 27-05-2009 11:45PM

Firetrap wrote: »

Looking at the letter that the OP received, does this mean that if he/she doesn't download any more copyright material that no further action will be taken?

seems to be that alright

27-05-2009 11:55PM

I agree with the motion to reply o them asking them how you can become compliant with their copyright infringement policies.

Please, whatever you do, reply back to them saying something. Anything. I'm really curious to see how this goes.

dub45 · 27-05-2009 11:58PM

Firetrap wrote: »

Looking at the letter that the OP received, does this mean that if he/she doesn't download any more copyright material that no further action will be taken?

The email the op received refers to distributing material.

Recently your broadband connection was reported and identified as
distributing material which is infringing Copyright Law

Flyboy!!! · 28-05-2009 12:00AM

Kahless wrote: »

Can you show us where it says paying the TV licence gives us permission to download whatever we want? Thought not.

Yeah, coz downloading is truly evil. Sins and stones, blah blah blah. It's all old news and it's not really much of an argument. Everything but everything is illegal unless sanctioned by the Government. There will always be people harping on about how doing something deemed illegal is a terrible crime, likening those who do it to Pol Pot. Everybody commits illegal acts, small, big, indifferent and if they say otherwise, they're lying, even the pope because everything bar sleeping, eating, breathing is a crime somewhere. ISPs are only getting on this because they're afraid if they don't and they'll get sued which will hurt their bottom line. That's all they care about. If everyone they sent those letters to switched ISP tomorrow, they'd quickly change their tune. They aren't in business to nanny people, that costs them money, if all of a sudden it cost them too much money they'd either go out of business or they'd stop playing nanny. It doesn't take a high IQ to figure out which choice they'll make.

Besides, without copyright infringement, modern music would be vastly different. There'd be no Beastie Boys, there'd be no Girls Aloud, there'd be no SugarBabes, no Eminem, no Kanye West, no Lady GaGa, the list is as long as the record charts. If you think otherwise, you're just nieve. The vast majority of music is based on sampling, cutting, looping, so on and so forth. There are two ways this can go, copyright will die or we'll be living in a police state, I'm not a conspiracy theorist or a crazy pinko, it's just obvious.

http://www.ubu.com/sound/dj_food.html

Think I'm wrong? Check the tune out. Or for you naughty naughty torrent types!:

http://www.djfood.org/DJ%20Food%20-%20Raiding%20the%2020th%20Century%20(Word%20and%20Music%20Expansion)%20DELUXE.torrent

poindexter · 28-05-2009 12:42AM

Mr.S wrote: »

That defies the whole point of torrents though, and you'll get a **** download speed if your not seeding at the same time.

is it not the uploading and therefore sharing of files that is illegal??

seanybiker wrote: »

Ya big dirty leecher ya lol. I always seed for a little bit. Its my way of saying thanks for scabbing the movie.

i always seed and keep it on when am not on

28-05-2009 04:39AM

BrokenSpiral wrote: »

I'm using eMule.

How could the ISP, or anyone else for that matter, actually know what specific files I was downloading?!

We should all just shake our heads and walk away......EMULE?? Are you serious? :eek:
The only people who use that are the MPIAA, RIAA and you.

If you got a letter then be under no illusion that the rights management outfit that contacted UTV have logged your ip sharing back the material you downloaded. Your only consideration should be a change of isp and and i strongly suggest you google "private torrent tracker" (even if american users now regularly get infringement notices for material they get on some of the best known "private" sites, tinfoil hat time!!)

NB: DO NOT initiate contact with the isp, any info you give or statement then becomes official record something you don't want. Initiating contact has the potential to give them info they might not have on you. Most ISPs pass on the notice but don't give "them" any info on the customer implicated as it breeches privacy laws.The letters are a heavy handed scare tactic but one you should act upon by leaving the isp asap thus sending them a very clear message.

vibe666 · 28-05-2009 08:20AM

Flyboy!!! wrote: »

Yeah, coz downloading is truly evil. Sins and stones, blah blah blah. It's all old news and it's not really much of an argument.

unfortunately it is exactly the argument.

it's like driving over the speed limit and getting pulled over. nobody is saying that we all don't do it on occasion, but you're not going to get any sympathy from here that you got caught.

you break the law and you take your chances, whether it's a morally right or wrong law is largely irrelevant.

the OP has three choices really. he can either:

a) comply with their request.

b) claim innocence and ask them to prove it.

c) he can look into why he got caught and change the way he does things so that next time he doesn't get caught.

not that I would be condoning that particular course of action on an open internet forum, but those are his choices as I see it.

Cabaal · 28-05-2009 08:32AM

Keith186 wrote: »

So what if he downloaded Lost or Prison Break, he paid his TV licence at least (I hope anyway!).

TV license or no TV license its still illegal, you can try justify it anyway you want.

Lads if your downloading anything, be it TV show, movie or software and you don't have permission from the rights holder then this is illegal.

You can attempt to justify it anyway you want, but your still wrong.

It amuses me that just because people have downloaded stuff over the passed few years they now think its legal,

watty · 28-05-2009 09:21AM

The TV licence is nothing to do with consuming programs, or even watching RTE.

It's a tax on having an Apparatus (tV tuner, VHS tuner, cable/DTT/Sat/IPTV boxes/pc card/mediacentre) that can receive Broadcasts. Even if you can't get RTE (i.e. FreeToAir dish only for BBC/ITV/C4/Five) you still pay.

Broadcasts in any case are not "downloads" any recording is supposed to be only of a temporary nature and for personal use. So a particular episode broadcast does not create a download right.

darkestlord · 28-05-2009 09:27AM

If I was you I would change ISP. Use a private torrent site, and use peerguardian and dont exceed your download limit. Its not a sure way of not getting caught, but It's worked for me.

godskitchen · 28-05-2009 09:39AM

They have to be seen to do something, they can now turn around to the record companies and point to the X numbers of letters they are sending out.

I think they are hoping to then see a decrease in downloads and they can point to this as job done.

Stop using emule right now. Would you go for a drive with some one who had not passed a driving test, had no insurrance, insisted you did not put on a seatbelt and was blind drunk? No, so do not use emule.

Zapho · 28-05-2009 09:48AM

BrokenSpiral wrote: »

I'm using eMule.

I've just been through my downloads and I have no movies, mp3's or games downloading, just TV series!!!!

My guess is that they've seen my 50 gig's of traffic in the last month and have just sent it out to everyone with high usage trying to scare us!

I can't imagine that the TV company in the states are worried about my downloading of Lost and Prison Break!!!!!!!!

How could the ISP, or anyone else for that matter, actually know what specific files I was downloading?!

I'd assume they just saw that typical eMule traffic was coming from your ip address making the assumption that no one really uses p2p clients to just downloaded the nightly builds of various linux distros!

I'm pretty annoyed that Irish ISPs allowed themselves to be bullied into being copyright cops by American record labels.

28-05-2009 10:14AM

Zapho wrote: »

I'd assume they just saw that typical eMule traffic was coming from your ip address making the assumption that no one really uses p2p clients to just downloaded the nightly builds of various linux distros!

I'm pretty annoyed that Irish ISPs allowed themselves to be bullied into being copyright cops by American record labels.

Dont assume because it makes an ass...etc etc. UTV dont monitor data packets, the action was and always is initiated by a third party who monitor and record ip address' that connect to hosts sharing illegal material on the various p2p protocols.

O'Coonassa · 28-05-2009 10:25AM

hightower1 wrote: »

What your doing is illegal, plain and simple. No matter who actually did the downloading it was through your connection and its your responsibility to make sure that no one does that.

The contract you signed does say your not allowed do this... you signed it and breached the contract by doing so.

If you have a copyright on something can I go around enforcing it without your say so? Seems like that's what UTV are doing here. OP you should get more info from them, ask what copyright they think you've breached and when.

BaconZombie · 28-05-2009 10:37AM

Well the RIAA, MPAA and BPI have been doing that for years.

O'Coonassa wrote: »

If you have a copyright on something can I go around enforcing it without your say so? Seems like that's what UTV are doing here. OP you should get more info from them, ask what copyright they think you've breached and when.

Zascar · 28-05-2009 10:43AM

david7536 wrote: »

We should all just shake our heads and walk away......EMULE?? Are you serious? :eek:
The only people who use that are the MPIAA, RIAA and you.

LOL.

28-05-2009 10:48AM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Following that logic:

This Image which contains a copyrighted logo is on UTV's homepage so when you visit there homepage you are downloading the copyright image without the consent of the owner.

That's a completely inaccurate comparison. The copyright holder has made that image available to you by posting it on their publicly accessible website

Cabaal · 28-05-2009 11:41AM

28064212 wrote: »

That's a completely inaccurate comparison. The copyright holder has made that image available to you by posting it on their publicly accessible website

Where as the copyright holder did not make their movie accessible via a P2P source, a unauthorized third party did and you downloaded it from them

It doesn't matter if you didn't upload the file elsewhere after or during the download its still illegal

vibe666 · 28-05-2009 11:41AM

Zapho wrote: »

...no one really uses p2p clients to just downloaded the nightly builds of various linux distros!

speak for yourself. I just downloaded installed the latest version of Linux Mint 7 yesterday and it's great.

I was thinking about the whole copyright 'thing' and it's been a good 10+ years since this all started back in the day with napster and the like and I can't help think that if the record companies and other copyright holders had looked at it and seen the signs back then they could have taken a different stance and seen that people wanted new ways to get their music etc. and provided a legal way for their customers to do that at the right price.

I'm not under any illusions, I've no doubt that there would still be piracy out there, it was there before the internet was even born and isn't going anywhere and tbh is one of the frontrunners when it comes to new technology, but i think if given the choice back then when the majority of people were still happily paying for albums on CD, most people would have gone for it and this whole mainstream piracy for the everyman thing could have been (to a large extent) avoided.

unfortunately, now people have had a good taste of 'free' music, movies,TV shows and software online, it's going to be very hard to get them to break the habit.

Cabaal · 28-05-2009 11:44AM

Zapho wrote: »

I'm pretty annoyed that Irish ISPs allowed themselves to be bullied into being copyright cops by American record labels.

ISP's in Ireland and for that matter in alot of countrys have been sending out copyright warning notices for years...this is NOTHING to do with the recent IRMA cases.

The very fact a customer agrees in the T&C's when they signup to an ISP not to download copyright material, send spam etc and then breaks this gives the ISP every right to terminate the customers service

watty · 28-05-2009 11:57AM

Amazon & iTunes sell legal DRM free download music now
Spotify is OWNED by the labels and offers free streamed music.
Nokia offers something, but from week to week they can't make up their mind what it is.

I'd guess they have begun to figure out this Internet thing, now that they have stopped panicing about compact cassettes, Betamax and VHS

mathie · 28-05-2009 12:02PM

vibe666 wrote: »

speak for yourself. I just downloaded installed the latest version of Linux Mint 7 yesterday and it's great.

I was thinking about the whole copyright 'thing' and it's been a good 10+ years since this all started back in the day with napster and the like and I can't help think that if the record companies and other copyright holders had looked at it and seen the signs back then they could have taken a different stance and seen that people wanted new ways to get their music etc. and provided a legal way for their customers to do that at the right price.

I'm not under any illusions, I've no doubt that there would still be piracy out there, it was there before the internet was even born and isn't going anywhere and tbh is one of the frontrunners when it comes to new technology, but i think if given the choice back then when the majority of people were still happily paying for albums on CD, most people would have gone for it and this whole mainstream piracy for the everyman thing could have been (to a large extent) avoided.

unfortunately, now people have had a good taste of 'free' music, movies,TV shows and software online, it's going to be very hard to get them to break the habit.

Amen.

I just looked at a CD on Amazon.
It's 7.98 Sterling for the CD.
Or 7.59 Sterling to download it.

Price. Structure. Up. Ar5e.

Cabaal · 28-05-2009 12:15PM

watty wrote: »

Amazon & iTunes sell legal DRM download music
S

They also sell DRM-Free music too

Cabaal · 28-05-2009 12:16PM

mathie wrote: »

Amen.

I just looked at a CD on Amazon.
It's 7.98 Sterling for the CD.
Or 7.59 Sterling to download it.

Price. Structure. Up. Ar5e.

Factor in shipping as well from Amazon, at the end of the day your still paying for shipping, packaging and artwork etc

Perhaps they are still over priced but the fact that you can buy a DRM single for 99c on iTunes yet people still pirate is a joke as at that price there is no reason to illegally download that one song

vibe666 · 28-05-2009 12:33PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Factor in shipping as well from Amazon, at the end of the day your still paying for shipping, packaging and artwork etc

Perhaps they are still over priced but the fact that you can buy a DRM single for 99c on iTunes yet people still pirate is a joke as at that price there is no reason to illegally download that one song

not legitimately no, but like i said, the common man has a taste for illegal downloads for 'free' now, instead of just computer geeks and it's going to be next to impossible for record companies to put that genie back in the bottle. ©

altor · 28-05-2009 12:37PM

WillieCocker wrote: »

Are you using torrents?

i was looking at that site yesterday.. whats it all about ? is all that software free

CiaranC · 28-05-2009 01:01PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Perhaps they are still over priced but the fact that you can buy a DRM single for 99c on iTunes yet people still pirate is a joke as at that price there is no reason to illegally download that one song

No way am I paying a euro for a single track. Maybe if it was 10 cents or something Id consider it.

Cabaal · 28-05-2009 02:31PM

CiaranC wrote: »

No way am I paying a euro for a single track. Maybe if it was 10 cents or something Id consider it.

If you think so little of the artists music why are you even wasting your time downloading it?

CiaranC · 28-05-2009 02:47PM

Cabaal wrote: »

If you think so little of the artists music why are you even wasting your time downloading it?

Who says I think little of the artists music?

I got a Copyright Infringement Notice from UTV Internet

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