How far would you go to defend yourself & your home?

Holsten · 21-05-2009 02:30PM

If I could get away with it I'd have no problem killing any scumbag who came into my house.

The way I see it, when you break into someone elses home, you should give up all your rights, including the right to live.

stovelid · 21-05-2009 02:35PM

Obsidian wrote: »

I would have no qaulms about doing anything to protect my family, whether it means losing my freedom or not.

Meaning you'd do a long stretch and deprive your family of a father just because some junkie was trying to rob a rack of CDs from downstairs.

Lot of huffing and puffing on this thread.

Hamiltonion · 21-05-2009 02:37PM

Ada Steep Munchies wrote: »

Why?

The legend that is Padraig Nally is not locked up? Cant see why people would disagree with shooting someone who is trying to rob/hurt you or your family.

As soon as anyone steps foot on your property with the intent to damage/steal you should have to right to do whatever you believe to be nessessary to protect your property as well as your safety. Would be an awful lot less break ins if every 4 out of 5 perpetrators was shot dead. Its a pragmatic issue, not an idealist one

Manic Moran · 21-05-2009 02:40PM

Sparks wrote: »

. While using one that is to hand in extremis is not a crime, Manic's "preperations" are illegal in Ireland.

Sparks is, of course, quite correct. That's why I said that the US has not restricted our abilities to defend ourselves. You guys in Ireland are on your own. Go complain to your TD.

NTM

WillieCocker · 21-05-2009 02:41PM

stovelid wrote: »

Meaning you'd do a long stretch and deprive your family of a father just because some junkie was trying to rob a rack of CDs from downstairs.

Lot of huffing and puffing on this thread.

Problem is you never know if it's a cd, your car or your life they are after.
Fair enough anyone who challenges a burglar downstairs is asking for it.

But if you have children, it's far harder to make banging noises upstairs and hope for the best than to use a weapon if no one is leaving the house in a hurry.

Sparks · 21-05-2009 02:46PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Sparks is, of course, quite correct. That's why I said that the US has not restricted our abilities to defend ourselves. You guys in Ireland are on your own. Go complain to your TD.

Any chance folks could wait for a little while before doing that? Right now we're trying to not see handguns banned outright for target shooting by pointing out that we shoot paper targets on closely controlled ranges, under licences which are quite rigorously monitored by the Gardai. A few dozen folks from the intertubes writing in to ask to be allowed to shoot random strangers for knocking on their door would probably not help us keep our sports.

johnny_knoxvile · 21-05-2009 02:56PM

stovelid wrote: »

Meaning you'd do a long stretch and deprive your family of a father just because some junkie was trying to rob a rack of CDs from downstairs.

Lot of huffing and puffing on this thread.

do a long stretch haha thats hilarious.

Its not huffing and puffing, its the truth, even though you may not agree with it.

Fighting Irish · 21-05-2009 02:58PM

Shout from the top of the stairs that you have a gun and the cops have been called. If someone starts to come up the stairs i'd shoot, no problem

johnny_knoxvile · 21-05-2009 03:01PM

I'd play skanger pitch n' put!... FOUR!!

CiaranC · 21-05-2009 03:06PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Sparks is, of course, quite correct. That's why I said that the US has not restricted our abilities to defend ourselves. You guys in Ireland are on your own. Go complain to your TD.

NTM

Luckily for us, the fact that we havent armed the entire population to the teeth means that if a junkie breaks into your house to rob your stereo, he doesnt need to bring a gun with him.

Our junkies are smarter than that.

He'd just sell the gun to buy his gear.

LD 50 · 21-05-2009 03:10PM

Biggins wrote: »

What ever it takes to keep my wife and kids safe. No if's or buts - no hesitations.

=

Rhyme wrote: »

Kill everyone.

+1 (i've no kids or wife/SO though.)
I have a stash of knives and assorted blades that I keep beside the bed,

CiaranC · 21-05-2009 03:19PM

LD 50 wrote: »

I have a stash of knives and assorted blades that I keep beside the bed,

Do you pose in front of the mirror in a ninja mask with them?

You do dont you?

kildara · 21-05-2009 03:22PM

Biggins wrote: »

What ever it takes to keep my wife and kids safe. No if's or buts - no hesitations.

Yep, me too.

I'd then be having a serious chat to the wife to ask why she kept kids a secret from me.

Naos · 21-05-2009 03:29PM

the_syco wrote: »

So if you're in a one floor house, like a bungalow, you're f**ked, yeah?

When the alarm doesn't arm at 4am, I grab a knife, and check all the windows, doors, etc. Waiting at the top of the stairs never enters my train of thought.

=-=

Unless you beat them to a pulp at the top of the stairs, there'll be no proof that they even came up the stairs, thus you face time behind bars. You get surprised whilst watching TV, and the route to the stairs is blocked, and you defend yourself, you face time behind bars. You beat them to a pulp, put them into the boot of your car, and drop them off with half a roll of duct tap, you'll probably still face time behind bars.

Moral of the story: dead men don't tell tales. Anything else, you'll face time behind bars.

You can always drag him up the stairs afterwards and then it's your word, as a good upstanding member of society against his, as a scumbag who's more than likely been in trouble with the law.

O'Coonassa · 21-05-2009 03:37PM

I'ma get medieval on they ass

Sean Quagmire · 21-05-2009 03:48PM

O'Coonassa wrote: »

I'ma get medieval on they ass

you've just given Martin Lawrence and idea for his next movie, well done

'DDAAYYUMM'

Sean Quagmire · 21-05-2009 03:51PM

Naos wrote: »

You can always drag him up the stairs afterwards and then it's your word, as a good upstanding member of society against his, as a scumbag who's more than likely been in trouble with the law.

Judging from the sentences handed out to violent criminals these days I would say the upstanding member of society would be creamed in court while anto recovers in hospital awaiting a nice check.

Jesus1222 · 21-05-2009 03:54PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

I have a sidearm and hollow-point ammunition loaded and within arm's reach of the bed.

Is this illegal?

21-05-2009 03:55PM

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

while anto recovers in hospital awaiting a nice check.

Shoot to Kill, then anto wont get a check and he cannot make up a story either so no one to argue with your story of what happened.

twinytwo · 21-05-2009 03:55PM

KerranJast wrote: »

Shooting someone who is trying to hurt your family is A-OK and no judge or jury in the land would convict you once you used appropriate force. Shooting some sap for petty theft is out of order though.

Tut tut the traveler scum that partake in such activites deserve all they get... if its ok for them to rob all before them then the deserve whatever comes their way ... a kick in the ass, or buck shot to the face

twinytwo · 21-05-2009 03:56PM

Jesus1222 wrote: »

Is this illegal?

Not in america.... so long as the side arm is licenced

KerranJast · 21-05-2009 04:00PM

twinytwo wrote: »

Tut tut the traveler scum that partake in such activites deserve all they get... if its ok for them to rob all before them then the deserve whatever comes their way ... a kick in the ass, or buck shot to the face

Thankfully we live in a civilised society where theft isn't a capital crime. If someone steals from you call the Gardai. If you start letting property owners kill thieves or trespassers we'll end up like the States where a lot of people die every year from accidental shootings, mistaken identity or where robbers increasingly arm themselves more heavily to negate homeowners weaponry.

Jesus1222 · 21-05-2009 04:00PM

twinytwo wrote: »

Not in america.... so long as the side arm is licenced

I'm talking about the hollow point ammunition.

21-05-2009 04:06PM

KerranJast wrote: »

If someone steals from you call the Gardai.

Not much good in that though, even if they catch them they will get some pointless suspended sentence or spend about 15 mins in jail before returning to a life of scumbaggery! The lack of knee caps or other body part(possibly a head) from a a few shots or another method would put a end to their life of crime much faster and might discourage ther gob s***e friends also.

KerranJast · 21-05-2009 04:11PM

Ada Steep Munchies wrote: »

Not much good in that though, even if they catch them they will get some pointless suspended sentence or spend about 15 mins in jail before returning to a life of scumbaggery! The lack of knee caps or other body part(possibly a head) from a a few shots or another method would put a end to their life of crime much faster and might discourage ther gob s***e friends also.

No it would just make them turn up to your house and beat the living ****e out of you when your guard was down.

Sparks · 21-05-2009 04:13PM

Jesus1222 wrote: »

Is this illegal?

In Ireland yes, in Indiana no.

Jesus1222 wrote: »

I'm talking about the hollow point ammunition.

There's nothing illegal about hollow point ammunition so long as you're not a soldier. It's actually safer for both target shooting (bullet deforms absorbing energy so it's less likely to richochet off the backstop plate) and for what Manic's talking about (less penetration means the guy three houses down won't be hit by the bullet). Hollowpoints are only illegal for military use (under the Hague convention). They're standard police issue as well in many US states (not sure about here).

Tigger · 21-05-2009 04:22PM

australia

daveob007 · 21-05-2009 04:36PM

Nappy wrote: »

are you guys living in ireland? Didnt realise people had such easy access to guns over here... thats a little worrying... yeah if my family were threatened i think id do whatever i had to but its all very well typing this, id love to see what my actual reaction would be.. I dont think id cower away though...

we do not have easy access to guns over here, we have the stricest gun laws in the world.
and as for having a sidearm beside the bed thats not allowed either.

21-05-2009 04:43PM

KerranJast wrote: »

No it would just make them turn up to your house and beat the living ****e out of you when your guard was down.

I saw Padraig there a few weeks ago and he didnt look like he was on the receiving end of any beatings?

How would they know your guard was down, if they showed up they could risk meeting the same fate?

Overheal · 21-05-2009 04:56PM

Jesus1222 wrote: »

Is this illegal?

Not in the United States. in fact hollow tip is not only legal but safer than Full Metal Jacket, for the improved accuracy and reduced chance of over-penetration and ricochet. Much less chance of stray bystanders being hit. Most hunting jurisdictions actually restrict you to hollow tip and its preferred civilian issue. And for target shooting as well, not only because of accuracy but again, not wanting to obliterate your fancy metal targets with every round. On the indoor gun range with paper targets however I dont think I've seen hollow tip rounds yet.

Sparks beat me to it.

HashSlinging wrote: »

I lock all the ground floor doors every night, its a habit. Dog it kept in doors also, (little miniature jack Russell (very territorial)) as an early warning system.

Locking the doors should not be anything special, and anyone not doing it deserves what they get.

How far would you go to defend yourself & your home?

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