Laws passed never enforced!!

brian ireland · 16-05-2009 11:44PM #1

I was in the city center today(Dublin). i was standing on the corner of moore street. I was gobsmacked to see a man with a pit-bull dog standing in front of me and to his left the Garda. The dog had no muzzle on its mouth. The guard was looking at the dog like he was admiring it. i am sure this dog should be muzzled in a public place!!!!! this is just one law made but obviously not enforced. how many more are there? Lights on yer bike? litter laws. What do you think?

ciano1 · 16-05-2009 11:47PM

Statutory Rape Ftw !

SV · 16-05-2009 11:51PM

Why should "this dog" in particular be muzzled? Would you say the same if it was a little jack russell?

Pherekydes · 16-05-2009 11:52PM

Speeding!

I was on the M4 today and I saw loads of cars driving under the limit. :mad:

seanybiker · 16-05-2009 11:54PM

hey leaves the lights on bikes alone. You probably have a car with the mad indicators that are same colour when on and off. Ya hussy ya lol. Dogs rule. Maybe the cop was staring the dog out.

Odysseus · 16-05-2009 11:57PM

Motorbike using bus lanes. Thankfull this is rarely enforced in fact I had cops advise me to use it as it can be safer than filtering through traffic.

brian ireland · 17-05-2009 12:00AM

SV wrote: »

Why should "this dog" in particular be muzzled? Would you say the same if it was a little jack russell?

A simple point could be its Law!!

http://www.irishdogs.ie/information/Control%20of%20Dogs.htm

brian ireland · 17-05-2009 12:07AM

seanybiker wrote: »

hey leaves the lights on bikes alone. You probably have a car with the mad indicators that are same colour when on and off. Ya hussy ya lol. Dogs rule. Maybe the cop was staring the dog out.

i understand you 100% and there was me thinking saturday smelt like friday

Borneo Fnctn · 17-05-2009 12:14AM

SV wrote: »

Why should "this dog" in particular be muzzled? Would you say the same if it was a little jack russell?

Well... which one would you rather fight?

Corb · 17-05-2009 12:19AM

Provisional drivers not allowed drive on their own. Yeah the odd person has gotten in trouble over it but in general there's still thousands doing it and getting away with it.

Half the laws in this country that are passed aren't enforced.

Sharpshooter · 17-05-2009 12:21AM

brian ireland wrote: »

I was in the city center today(Dublin). i was standing on the corner of moore street. I was gobsmacked to see a man with a pit-bull dog standing in front of me and to his left the Garda. The dog had no muzzle on its mouth. The guard was looking at the dog like he was admiring it. i am sure this dog should be muzzled in a public place!!

Maybe the Garda also owned a pit-bull and that was his reason for admiring the dog.

When are people going to learn that a dog is only as good as it's master trains it.

Pit-Bull's get a bad rep because of isolated cases making the news.

All dogs will bite if they are hurt by someone or teased unmercifully as children sometimes have a habit of doing,not realising the consequences.

Good owners know if their dog is trustworthy or not.

brian ireland · 17-05-2009 12:27AM

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Maybe the Garda also owned a pit-bull and that was his reason for admiring the dog.

When are people going to learn that a dog is only as good as it's master trains it.

Pit-Bull's get a bad rep because of isolated cases making the news.

All dogs will bite if they are hurt by someone or teased unmercifully as children sometimes have a habit of doing,not realising the consequences.

Good owners know if their dog is trustworthy or not.

???? And?? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b79_1231386454
will we wait until this happens?
Anyway my point is not about dogs its about laws that are LAW and not enforced. So. Its law and you can't argue with that fact. why are they not enforced?

brianthebard · 17-05-2009 12:33AM

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Maybe the Garda also owned a pit-bull and that was his reason for admiring the dog.

When are people going to learn that a dog is only as good as it's master trains it.

Pit-Bull's get a bad rep because of isolated cases making the news.

Certain breeds legally have to be muzzled. Its an either or situation, easily done for the owner and easily enforced for the guards (fairly clear if a muzzle is being used or not). If guards won't enforce small things like this then what about the bigger ones? People wonder why there's been a loss of respect for the guards, well its things like this that cause it.

chin_grin · 17-05-2009 12:33AM

Let me see, considering the kind of "men" who would walk pit-bulls would you still have a face after you told one that they were breaking the law? I think that'd be a case of "avoid eye contact and keep walking".

But, mmyep I can see how it's annoying.

rejkin · 17-05-2009 12:35AM

theres a reason certain dogs are meant to have muzzles,because they're the dogs that have enough strength in their jaws to bite clean through your leg or neck unlike small dogs which could harm you but wont severely harm you

chin_grin · 17-05-2009 12:37AM

rejkin wrote: »

theres a reason certain dogs are meant to have muzzles,because they're the dogs that have enough strength in their jaws to bite clean through your leg or neck unlike small dogs which could harm you but wont severely harm you

Or the fact that they're a status symbol amongst skangers to make em look 'ard when they in fact look British (and also 'ard). Eejits. The skangers, not the British.

Sharpshooter · 17-05-2009 12:46AM

brianthebard wrote: »

Certain breeds legally have to be muzzled. Its an either or situation, easily done for the owner and easily enforced for the guards (fairly clear if a muzzle is being used or not). If guards won't enforce small things like this then what about the bigger ones? People wonder why there's been a loss of respect for the guards, well its things like this that cause it.

Yes I can see your point and the OPs.
I was just giving my take on his OP.

But cross bred dogs also can be dangerous depending on which breed is crossed with another.

I agree that Pit Bulls can cause terrible damage I am just saying that they are not all like that and it is usually down to who owns the dog as to how it turns out.

brian ireland · 17-05-2009 12:53AM

Sharpshooter wrote: »

agree that Pit Bulls can cause terrible damage I am just saying that they are not all like that and it is usually down to who owns the dog as to how it turns out.

SO if the owner is an asshole and beats his dog every day. He problelly y won't put a muzzle on him or her. Then he takes it to Moore street and?? what next?

Anyways as i said this is not about dogs, Its about laws passed and not enforced

Sharpshooter · 17-05-2009 12:56AM

brian ireland wrote: »

SO if the owner is an asshole and beats his dog every day. He problelly y won't put a muzzle on him or her. Then he takes it to Moore street and?? what next?

Anyways as i said this is not about dogs, Its about laws passed and not enforced

You so did not get what I was saying.
You yourself brought up the subject in your OP.
But yes I know where you are coming from RE Laws.

tony1kenobi · 17-05-2009 12:57AM

jackpalance wrote: »

Well... which one would you rather fight?

I'd rather fight a pitbull.....if you are gonna have a fight there may as well be a fight in it.

I'd batter a pitbull in a fight.

pebbles21 · 17-05-2009 12:58AM

is it also law for a dog owner to have a licence for the dog too ?or is this another law never enforced?

brian ireland · 17-05-2009 12:59AM

tony1kenobi wrote: »

I'd rather fight a pitbull.....if you are gonna have a fight there may as well be a fight in it.

I'd batter a pitbull in a fight.

WTF?

brian ireland · 17-05-2009 01:01AM

pebbles21 wrote: »

is it also law for a dog owner to have a licence for the dog too ?or is this another law never enforced?

Have to admit I think we bought a license for our dog when he was born and, seriously we never thought of it again,

RATM · 17-05-2009 02:07AM

tony1kenobi wrote: »

I'd rather fight a pitbull.....if you are gonna have a fight there may as well be a fight in it.

I'd batter a pitbull in a fight.

Use the forks, the forks!

SV · 17-05-2009 08:23AM

The reason the law isn't enforced re: dog muzzles is because it's a bloody ridiculous law.
Same with all the laws that aren't enforced.

RacoonQueen · 17-05-2009 08:47AM

pebbles21 wrote: »

is it also law for a dog owner to have a licence for the dog too ?or is this another law never enforced?

Shhhhh....lets pretend dog licences don't exist. :pac:

They must seriously be the silliest law? Money making racket is all they really are, and you're meant to get a new one every year? :rolleyes:

Padraig Mor · 17-05-2009 09:03AM

SV wrote: »

The reason the law isn't enforced re: dog muzzles is because it's a bloody ridiculous law.
Same with all the laws that aren't enforced.

Ahh.....so we only have to obey the laws we like? Nice one!

Wertz · 17-05-2009 11:39AM

SV wrote: »

The reason the law isn't enforced re: dog muzzles is because it's a bloody ridiculous law.
Same with all the laws that aren't enforced.

So what's the point in draughting half this bullsh*t into the statute books then? The legislative arm of the governement has spent who-knows how much on all this legislation in the past decade, banning this, taxing that, prohibiting the other, but yet when it comes down to enforcement, garda resources either aren't there or the force themselves don' see fit to enforcing that particular statute.
Dangerous dogs are neither here nor there and there's far too many people in this thread focusing on that issue. There was a perceived problem about certain breeds of dog followed by public outcry...legislation is passed, the governemnt look good and look like they're protecting the public....but yet a couple of years on the enforcement is lax or non-existent.
Whatr sort of message does that send about all our laws...what's the point in having them, if no-one bothers to do somehting about it when they're broken?

FearDark · 17-05-2009 11:51AM

SV wrote: »

Why should "this dog" in particular be muzzled? Would you say the same if it was a little jack russell?

Um maybe because a jack russell cant put its whole mouth around a childs head, or yours for that matter.

Karoma · 17-05-2009 12:27PM

tony1kenobi wrote: »

I'd rather fight a pitbull.....if you are gonna have a fight there may as well be a fight in it.

I'd batter a pitbull in a fight.

I have a webcam, some cash, and some interested Japanese businessmen who would be interested in developing this idea further. PM pls k thx.

SV · 17-05-2009 03:37PM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Ahh.....so we only have to obey the laws we like? Nice one!

Where did I say that?
Hmm

Wertz wrote: »

So what's the point in draughting half this bullsh*t into the statute books then? The legislative arm of the governement has spent who-knows how much on all this legislation in the past decade, banning this, taxing that, prohibiting the other, but yet when it comes down to enforcement, garda resources either aren't there or the force themselves don' see fit to enforcing that particular statute.
Dangerous dogs are neither here nor there and there's far too many people in this thread focusing on that issue. There was a perceived problem about certain breeds of dog followed by public outcry...legislation is passed, the governemnt look good and look like they're protecting the public....but yet a couple of years on the enforcement is lax or non-existent.
Whatr sort of message does that send about all our laws...what's the point in having them, if no-one bothers to do somehting about it when they're broken?

Yeah, they'll pass the law alright..
As far as I can see ( and it has always been like this ) the laws are only there to prosecute in the worst of cases. Yes, perhaps most cases might have been prevented if the dogs had been muzzled in the first places but that's the way Ireland is with these kind of laws.

For example it was like the provo license law, not a word was said..until you did something stupid on the road and then they'd go through you. Maybe the stupidity and/or accident would have been prevented if the person wasn't on the road in the first place but..

FearDark wrote: »

Um maybe because a jack russell cant put its whole mouth around a childs head, or yours for that matter.

I have a pitbull, it can barely fit it's mouth around my arm.

However, if the whole argument is that only dogs who can fit their mouths around your head are the ones that need muzzling then I guess there's a lot of dogs that need muzzles that are never even mentioned.

None of these dogs are inherently evil or prone to attack. They're just bred like that, it's thanks to the media that they have a bad reputation for themselves.
Also, ANY dog will attack if it's provoked and will do just as much damage too.

Laws passed never enforced!!

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