Laws passed never enforced!!

brian ireland

I was in the city center today(Dublin). i was standing on the corner of moore street. I was gobsmacked to see a man with a pit-bull dog standing in front of me and to his left the Garda. The dog had no muzzle on its mouth. The guard was looking at the dog like he was admiring it. i am sure this dog should be muzzled in a public place!!!!! this is just one law made but obviously not enforced. how many more are there? Lights on yer bike? litter laws. What do you think?

ciano1

Statutory Rape Ftw !

SV

Why should "this dog" in particular be muzzled? Would you say the same if it was a little jack russell?

Pherekydes

Speeding!

I was on the M4 today and I saw loads of cars driving under the limit. :mad:

seanybiker

hey leaves the lights on bikes alone. You probably have a car with the mad indicators that are same colour when on and off. Ya hussy ya lol. Dogs rule. Maybe the cop was staring the dog out.

Odysseus

Motorbike using bus lanes. Thankfull this is rarely enforced in fact I had cops advise me to use it as it can be safer than filtering through traffic.

brian ireland

SV wrote: »

Why should "this dog" in particular be muzzled? Would you say the same if it was a little jack russell?

A simple point could be its Law!!



http://www.irishdogs.ie/information/Control%20of%20Dogs.htm

brian ireland

seanybiker wrote: »

hey leaves the lights on bikes alone. You probably have a car with the mad indicators that are same colour when on and off. Ya hussy ya lol. Dogs rule. Maybe the cop was staring the dog out.

i understand you 100% and there was me thinking saturday smelt like friday

Borneo Fnctn

SV wrote: »

Why should "this dog" in particular be muzzled? Would you say the same if it was a little jack russell?

Well... which one would you rather fight?

Corb

Provisional drivers not allowed drive on their own. Yeah the odd person has gotten in trouble over it but in general there's still thousands doing it and getting away with it.

Half the laws in this country that are passed aren't enforced.

Sharpshooter

brian ireland wrote: »

I was in the city center today(Dublin). i was standing on the corner of moore street. I was gobsmacked to see a man with a pit-bull dog standing in front of me and to his left the Garda. The dog had no muzzle on its mouth. The guard was looking at the dog like he was admiring it. i am sure this dog should be muzzled in a public place!!

Maybe the Garda also owned a pit-bull and that was his reason for admiring the dog.

When are people going to learn that a dog is only as good as it's master trains it.

Pit-Bull's get a bad rep because of isolated cases making the news.

All dogs will bite if they are hurt by someone or teased unmercifully as children sometimes have a habit of doing,not realising the consequences.

Good owners know if their dog is trustworthy or not.

brian ireland

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Maybe the Garda also owned a pit-bull and that was his reason for admiring the dog.

When are people going to learn that a dog is only as good as it's master trains it.

Pit-Bull's get a bad rep because of isolated cases making the news.

All dogs will bite if they are hurt by someone or teased unmercifully as children sometimes have a habit of doing,not realising the consequences.

Good owners know if their dog is trustworthy or not.

???? And?? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b79_1231386454
will we wait until this happens?
Anyway my point is not about dogs its about laws that are LAW and not enforced. So. Its law and you can't argue with that fact. why are they not enforced?

brianthebard

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Maybe the Garda also owned a pit-bull and that was his reason for admiring the dog.

When are people going to learn that a dog is only as good as it's master trains it.

Pit-Bull's get a bad rep because of isolated cases making the news.

Certain breeds legally have to be muzzled. Its an either or situation, easily done for the owner and easily enforced for the guards (fairly clear if a muzzle is being used or not). If guards won't enforce small things like this then what about the bigger ones? People wonder why there's been a loss of respect for the guards, well its things like this that cause it.

chin_grin

Let me see, considering the kind of "men" who would walk pit-bulls would you still have a face after you told one that they were breaking the law? I think that'd be a case of "avoid eye contact and keep walking".

But, mmyep I can see how it's annoying.

rejkin

theres a reason certain dogs are meant to have muzzles,because they're the dogs that have enough strength in their jaws to bite clean through your leg or neck unlike small dogs which could harm you but wont severely harm you

chin_grin

rejkin wrote: »

theres a reason certain dogs are meant to have muzzles,because they're the dogs that have enough strength in their jaws to bite clean through your leg or neck unlike small dogs which could harm you but wont severely harm you

Or the fact that they're a status symbol amongst skangers to make em look 'ard when they in fact look British (and also 'ard). Eejits. The skangers, not the British.

Sharpshooter

brianthebard wrote: »

Certain breeds legally have to be muzzled. Its an either or situation, easily done for the owner and easily enforced for the guards (fairly clear if a muzzle is being used or not). If guards won't enforce small things like this then what about the bigger ones? People wonder why there's been a loss of respect for the guards, well its things like this that cause it.

Yes I can see your point and the OPs.
I was just giving my take on his OP.

But cross bred dogs also can be dangerous depending on which breed is crossed with another.

I agree that Pit Bulls can cause terrible damage I am just saying that they are not all like that and it is usually down to who owns the dog as to how it turns out.

brian ireland

Sharpshooter wrote: »

agree that Pit Bulls can cause terrible damage I am just saying that they are not all like that and it is usually down to who owns the dog as to how it turns out.

SO if the owner is an asshole and beats his dog every day. He problelly y won't put a muzzle on him or her. Then he takes it to Moore street and?? what next?

Anyways as i said this is not about dogs, Its about laws passed and not enforced

Sharpshooter

brian ireland wrote: »

SO if the owner is an asshole and beats his dog every day. He problelly y won't put a muzzle on him or her. Then he takes it to Moore street and?? what next?

Anyways as i said this is not about dogs, Its about laws passed and not enforced

You so did not get what I was saying.
You yourself brought up the subject in your OP.
But yes I know where you are coming from RE Laws.

tony1kenobi

jackpalance wrote: »

Well... which one would you rather fight?

I'd rather fight a pitbull.....if you are gonna have a fight there may as well be a fight in it.

I'd batter a pitbull in a fight.

pebbles21

is it also law for a dog owner to have a licence for the dog too ?or is this another law never enforced?

brian ireland

tony1kenobi wrote: »

I'd rather fight a pitbull.....if you are gonna have a fight there may as well be a fight in it.

I'd batter a pitbull in a fight.

WTF?

brian ireland

pebbles21 wrote: »

is it also law for a dog owner to have a licence for the dog too ?or is this another law never enforced?

Have to admit I think we bought a license for our dog when he was born and, seriously we never thought of it again,

RATM

tony1kenobi wrote: »

I'd rather fight a pitbull.....if you are gonna have a fight there may as well be a fight in it.

I'd batter a pitbull in a fight.

Use the forks, the forks!

SV

The reason the law isn't enforced re: dog muzzles is because it's a bloody ridiculous law.
Same with all the laws that aren't enforced.

RacoonQueen

pebbles21 wrote: »

is it also law for a dog owner to have a licence for the dog too ?or is this another law never enforced?

Shhhhh....lets pretend dog licences don't exist. :pac:

They must seriously be the silliest law? Money making racket is all they really are, and you're meant to get a new one every year? :rolleyes:

Padraig Mor

SV wrote: »

The reason the law isn't enforced re: dog muzzles is because it's a bloody ridiculous law.
Same with all the laws that aren't enforced.

Ahh.....so we only have to obey the laws we like? Nice one!

Wertz

SV wrote: »

The reason the law isn't enforced re: dog muzzles is because it's a bloody ridiculous law.
Same with all the laws that aren't enforced.

So what's the point in draughting half this bullsh*t into the statute books then? The legislative arm of the governement has spent who-knows how much on all this legislation in the past decade, banning this, taxing that, prohibiting the other, but yet when it comes down to enforcement, garda resources either aren't there or the force themselves don' see fit to enforcing that particular statute.
Dangerous dogs are neither here nor there and there's far too many people in this thread focusing on that issue. There was a perceived problem about certain breeds of dog followed by public outcry...legislation is passed, the governemnt look good and look like they're protecting the public....but yet a couple of years on the enforcement is lax or non-existent.
Whatr sort of message does that send about all our laws...what's the point in having them, if no-one bothers to do somehting about it when they're broken?

FearDark

SV wrote: »

Why should "this dog" in particular be muzzled? Would you say the same if it was a little jack russell?

Um maybe because a jack russell cant put its whole mouth around a childs head, or yours for that matter.

Karoma

tony1kenobi wrote: »

I'd rather fight a pitbull.....if you are gonna have a fight there may as well be a fight in it.

I'd batter a pitbull in a fight.

I have a webcam, some cash, and some interested Japanese businessmen who would be interested in developing this idea further. PM pls k thx.

SV

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Ahh.....so we only have to obey the laws we like? Nice one!

Where did I say that?
Hmm

Wertz wrote: »

So what's the point in draughting half this bullsh*t into the statute books then? The legislative arm of the governement has spent who-knows how much on all this legislation in the past decade, banning this, taxing that, prohibiting the other, but yet when it comes down to enforcement, garda resources either aren't there or the force themselves don' see fit to enforcing that particular statute.
Dangerous dogs are neither here nor there and there's far too many people in this thread focusing on that issue. There was a perceived problem about certain breeds of dog followed by public outcry...legislation is passed, the governemnt look good and look like they're protecting the public....but yet a couple of years on the enforcement is lax or non-existent.
Whatr sort of message does that send about all our laws...what's the point in having them, if no-one bothers to do somehting about it when they're broken?

Yeah, they'll pass the law alright..
As far as I can see ( and it has always been like this ) the laws are only there to prosecute in the worst of cases. Yes, perhaps most cases might have been prevented if the dogs had been muzzled in the first places but that's the way Ireland is with these kind of laws.

For example it was like the provo license law, not a word was said..until you did something stupid on the road and then they'd go through you. Maybe the stupidity and/or accident would have been prevented if the person wasn't on the road in the first place but..

FearDark wrote: »

Um maybe because a jack russell cant put its whole mouth around a childs head, or yours for that matter.

I have a pitbull, it can barely fit it's mouth around my arm.


However, if the whole argument is that only dogs who can fit their mouths around your head are the ones that need muzzling then I guess there's a lot of dogs that need muzzles that are never even mentioned.


None of these dogs are inherently evil or prone to attack. They're just bred like that, it's thanks to the media that they have a bad reputation for themselves.
Also, ANY dog will attack if it's provoked and will do just as much damage too.

rubadub

Jaywalking is not often enforced. My mates brother was done for it on the N11. I have seen a garda actively assisting children to jaywalk in the exact same place where he was done for it, bitch should have been done for aiding and abetting! There was a pedestrian flyover right over where she was doing it.

[-0-]

People driving without seat belts.
Bus drivers driving while on their phones.
Learner drivers driving without a full license driver, with no nct. So much for that Law on the first of May.

Capt'n Midnight

No NCT, been law for ages only change is the penalty went up.

Unaccompanied Learner Drivers, been the law since before before a lot of you were born , only seems to be enforced if there are other charges pressed as well

Learners on Motorways

Bankrupting Bervely

Taxi drivers using Hazard warning lights and not using hand signals when their indicators aren't functional.



Laws on Fraud esp. by bankers
All the wrong doing exposed by the tribunals

msg11

Jay walking.

Drunks Jay walking.

Executive Steve

msg11 wrote: »

Jay walking.

Jay has the right to march down the Queen's highway if he so wishes. Do you seek to deny him that right?

Capt'n Midnight

The new blasphemy law, one hopes.

arybvtcw0eolkf

chin_grin wrote: »

Let me see, considering the kind of "men" who would walk pit-bulls would you still have a face after you told one that they were breaking the law? I think that'd be a case of "avoid eye contact and keep walking".

But, mmyep I can see how it's annoying.

Hiya cup cakes

Law's not enforced - well I've never had a TV licence man call to my door despite the TV add's with say they check over 1800 households a month.

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wudangclan

Edith Numerous Test wrote: »

Law's not enforced - well I've never had a TV licence man call to my door despite the TV add's with say they check over 1800 households a month.

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your IP has been logged.

arybvtcw0eolkf

wudangclan wrote: »

your IP has been logged.

I no speakie da Engrish, sworry.

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Maddison

Ive been bitten a few times by my Jack Russell & my snake. My two Rotties are as gentle as lambs & have never even growled in my direction.

towel401

most laws make no sense to enforce anyway, they are just passed for political correctness reasons and to shut up some bunch of whingers who can't stand up for themselves. other laws have solved a problematic situation before but make no sense to strictly enforce anymore

arybvtcw0eolkf

Maddison wrote: »

Ive been bitten a few times by my Jack Russell & my snake. My two Rotties are as gentle as lambs & have never even growled in my direction.

I've been bit by a JRT too!.. So has my older dog.

Just reading through this, most people wouldn't know a Pitbull from anyother Bull breed - sometimes even Bully owner's would be hard pressed to say for sure whats a Pitbull.

My older lad, 99% of people would say he's a Pitbull - but his licence says "mixed breed'', so in law he's a mongrel so laws pertaining to muzzles don't apply to him!.

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Tea-a-Maria

SV wrote: »

Why should "this dog" in particular be muzzled? Would you say the same if it was a little jack russell?

Yes,Jack Russells can be nasty little f*ckers too.:pac:

Seriously though,it can happen with any breed of dog.

jcatony

Political corruption, bribery, misappropriation of state funds, cronyism......

fryup

driving whilst using your mobile phone

bitemybanger

jaywalking??

Manic Moran

Jaywalking?

Crossing the road at an unapproved location. Generally only applicable in cities, but I'd like to read the law on that, actually.

As for the OP, I can think of two very obvious reasons why the Gard didn't do anything except admire the dog.

Firstly, I have absolutely no clue what kind of dog is what. Just because you can identify an American Pit Bull crossbreed doesn't mean that I can, or any other individual, be they Garda or not. I have enough trouble telling an Alsatian from a Chihuaha. They're short, have four legs, bark, and smell bad when wet. That's about as far as I can go. Now, I can wax poetic about sub-variants of tanks and firearms, but that's what I have spent my time learning. Seemed more practical to me.

Secondly, you are also assuming that the Garda even knows that the law exists. I didn't. Now, granted, I'm not a Garda, but I'm sure that if you took every law on the books that anyone could possibly violate, and put them into a single, easily transported volume, it would probably be about half the size of the Holy Bible. There's no way on God's green earth that one can remember all of them, and I'm fairly sure the Gardai would concern themselves a bit more with knowing traffic, offensive weapons or robbery laws than spending time studying dog breed identification and knowing that certain breeds need to be muzzled.

By way of example, here's a picture of the California Penal Code. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41NpBNablpL._SS500_.jpg It's about a thousand pages, and contains only criminal offenses which I could run afoul of the police were I to break. Plus, it's only those deemed offenses by the State of California, it doesn't count federal, county or city laws. (Section 599 refers to dangerous dogs. You don't get to firearms until section 12,000 gives you an idea of how many laws are out there). Do you really expect a cop to know everything?

Instead, I recommend you direct your vitriol to politicians who keep passing laws, particularly 'feel-good' ones, for the PR benefit and without much thought to how either it will be enforced, or how it will actually affect anyone.

NTM

Snowie

hey my friend moo is a american pitbull and shes the frinedlest dog in the world

heres a pic

http://tinypic.com/r/rk6gk3/3

Jumpy

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

hey my friend moo is a american pitbull and shes the frinedlest dog in the world

heres a pic

http://tinypic.com/r/rk6gk3/3

Thats because Moo has no front legs! Duh.

Jesus Wept

SV wrote: »

Why should "this dog" in particular be muzzled? Would you say the same if it was a little jack russell?

I would, they are the worst.
They should be made extinct, I haven't encoutered one that didn't bite me/try to bite me.