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imeddyhobbs · 16-05-2009 01:10AM #1

Every time the Garda ERU attend a bank or cash in transit robbery someone dies?

galwayguy22 · 16-05-2009 01:11AM

Well if they're dead they can't rob no more.

SoupyNorman · 16-05-2009 01:11AM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Every time the Garda ERU attend a bank or cash in transit robbery someone dies?

Only two I can think of..today and the post office robbery in Lusk a few years ago.

truecrippler · 16-05-2009 01:14AM

And if it's true; you're saying it's a bad thing?

About time that scum like those that have been shot/killed get to know that if they play a risky game, someones gonna get shot/killed.

truecrippler · 16-05-2009 01:14AM

SoupyNorman wrote: »

Only two I can think of..today and the post office robbery in Lusk a few years ago.

Was the Lusk robbery not last year?

edit: Was 2005... jahsus that flew in lol xD.

imeddyhobbs · 16-05-2009 01:18AM

truecrippler wrote: »

And if it's true; you're saying it's a bad thing?

About time that scum like those that have been shot/killed get to know that if they play a risky game, someones gonna get shot/killed.

Ok,Lets make a long story short.

The state has a shoot to kill policy in these situations?

truecrippler · 16-05-2009 01:22AM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Ok,Lets make a long story short.

The state has a shoot to kill policy in these situations?

Hmmm ok... Rapists, Murderers and other wrong doers alike get sh!t sentences in this country? I say shoot them.

The culprits in the shooting yesterday apparently had sawn-off shotguns. Shoot them, if they die, they die.

TheZohanS · 16-05-2009 01:24AM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Every time the Garda ERU attend a bank or cash in transit robbery someone dies?

I would say false.

The ERU are only called in as a last resort.

The Pontiac · 16-05-2009 01:26AM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Every time the Garda ERU attend a bank or cash in transit robbery someone dies?

False.

imeddyhobbs · 16-05-2009 01:28AM

Rapists,Murders,bankers Bla Bla Bla

The Garda were watching these people and this was a targeted operation by the state,The state autorities laid in wait for these jackasses to present themselfs and thats when the state fired the first shot.The state gets so near and it gets so far but it doesnt know where the lines are,Everything is mishandled.

Karoma · 16-05-2009 01:30AM

Nobody really gives a **** if scum get shot while the scum are being scumbags- true or false?

truecrippler · 16-05-2009 01:30AM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Rapists,Murders,bankers Bla Bla Bla

The Garda were watching these people and this was stated by Paul Williams today on the RTE News at one today

Minister Ahern said: 'Today's incident is a reminder of the dangers faced by members of An Garda Síochána in carrying out their duties and their courage in confronting those dangers'.

Go on the Garda!!!

Sharpshooter · 16-05-2009 01:35AM

truecrippler wrote: »

Hmmm ok... Rapists, Murderers and other wrong doers alike get sh!t sentences in this country? I say shoot them.

The culprits in the shooting yesterday apparently had sawn-off shotguns. Shoot them, if they die, they die.

I agree, I know who I would want to come out unscathed.

TheZohan wrote: »

I would say false.

The ERU are only called in as a last resort.

Exactly, they are the last resort in an emergency and are trained in what they do.
Again if it came down to who should be still alive after a confrontation I want it to be one of the ERU team.

marcsignal · 16-05-2009 01:37AM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Rapists,Murders,bankers Bla Bla Bla

The Garda were watching these people and this was a targeted operation by the state.

Go the State !! :pac:

seanybiker · 16-05-2009 01:38AM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Every time the Garda ERU attend a bank or cash in transit robbery someone dies?

Jerry macabes family might disagree with that.

Pherekydes · 16-05-2009 01:38AM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Every time the Garda ERU attend a bank or cash in transit robbery someone dies?

Maybe ask a question like, "Every time there's an armed robbery someone dies?"

Can we have a Pole?

5'12" and legs up to here, please.

Ghost Train · 16-05-2009 01:47AM

Well the global death rate is quite high... people around the world die every few seconds, so technically true, anytime anybody does anything somebody dies... but more usually than not the death and the action being done don't relate to each other.

Also if you're going to rob a bank there is a risk it might not end up well for you

marcsignal · 16-05-2009 01:49AM

if the police never arrived, and you or me were standing between these people and their getaway, they would shoot you like a fucking dog.:cool:

imeddyhobbs · 16-05-2009 01:49AM

seanybiker wrote: »

Jerry macabes family might disagree with that.

?

minidazzler · 16-05-2009 01:58AM

False simply because of your ignorance, Do you think this is only the second time they have led an operation like this? Usually arrests are made, sometimes the crims think they will be smart about it, because the cops here never shoot anyone. And then those scumbags realise that on a long enough timeline, survival rate is 0.

imeddyhobbs · 16-05-2009 02:04AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Maybe ask a question like, "Every time there's an armed robbery someone dies?"

Obvious answer is no

imeddyhobbs · 16-05-2009 02:42AM

The reason that i am interested in this is because in 1986 i was walking home from school and i came across the garda shooting bank robbers in Athy,I also had the misfortune of being in Portlaois hospital some years back when the ERU killed one of their own men in Abbeyleix,My sister was diagnosed with cancer that same day but i got to see another family ripped apart at the hands of the state ,They killed another innocent man,Thats the killing part..

No pun intended

Damo1174 · 16-05-2009 02:52AM

truecrippler wrote: »

And if it's true; you're saying it's a bad thing?

About time that scum like those that have been shot/killed get to know that if they play a risky game, someones gonna get shot/killed.

Yeh your right. My cousin robbed a bank and killed a pig on the way out. If those cops want to act all tough letting rounds off at ordinary decent criminals who arent out to hurt people then they should be ready to pay the price when we shoot back. Truecrippler its bout time someone had the balls to get up and say that. Well done. +1

minidazzler · 16-05-2009 03:00AM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

The reason that i am interested in this is because in 1986 i was walking home from school and i came across the garda shooting bank robbers in Athy,I also had the misfortune of being in Portlaois hospital some years back when the ERU killed one of their own men in Abbeyleix,My sister was diagnosed with cancer that same day but i got to see another family ripped apart at the hands of the state ,They killed another innocent man,Thats the killing part..

No pun intended

ERU or Armed Gardai, You do know there is a difference, don't you?

You seem to be the common denominator here, not the cops given it's different ones each time. Stay the fcuk away from me!!!!!

evogirl · 16-05-2009 06:23PM

Damo1174 wrote: »

Yeh your right. My cousin robbed a bank and killed a pig on the way out. If those cops want to act all tough letting rounds off at ordinary decent criminals who arent out to hurt people then they should be ready to pay the price when we shoot back. Truecrippler its bout time someone had the balls to get up and say that. Well done. +1

ordainary and decent are not words id use to descibe criminals

Armin_Tamzarian · 16-05-2009 06:29PM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

The reason that i am interested in this is because in 1986 i was walking home from school and i came across the garda shooting bank robbers in Athy.

Well you should have walked back to school and asked them what year it was.
The Athy Bank Robbery you refer to occurred in 1990.

minidazzler · 16-05-2009 06:29PM

evogirl wrote: »

ordainary and decent are not words id use to descibe criminals

An ordinary decent criminal is a criminal who doesn't have any dealings with drugs. Just Robbery and such, but planned robberies where noone gets hurt. Which is fair enough, they are better crimes than shooting young damo for not paying for the gear he bought on tick.

Borneo Fnctn · 16-05-2009 06:36PM

True or false: every time a moron fires a weapon at the Gardai and gets shot dead the lefties assume it was the Guards fault.

minidazzler wrote: »

An ordinary decent criminal is a criminal who doesn't have any dealings with drugs. Just Robbery and such, but planned robberies where noone gets hurt. Which is fair enough, they are better crimes than shooting young damo for not paying for the gear he bought on tick.

I think you have a fairly romantic view of armed robbers. They are bad people and they don't give a toss about the people they traumatize. Being held at gunpoint can destroy your life. People do get physically hurt in armed robberies. There are no Butch Cassidys.

murfie · 16-05-2009 06:49PM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

.........thats when the state fired the first shot............

Do you have a link or know this for sure that this was the case or are you assuming this happened. I would wait till the official report comes out to make your judgements

But in my opinion the gardai did a great job, the bad guys got shot with no innocent bystanders or gardai hurt. Job well done. The question on if they shot first or not is secondary.

Wertz · 16-05-2009 06:52PM

imeddyhobbs wrote: »

Rapists,Murders,bankers Bla Bla Bla

The Garda were watching these people and this was a targeted operation by the state,The state autorities laid in wait for these jackasses to present themselfs and thats when the state fired the first shot.The state gets so near and it gets so far but it doesnt know where the lines are,Everything is mishandled.

Far be it from me to defend the Gardaí, but I have to think that this highly trained unit would have a set list of rules for engagement of suspects, as regards shouting repeated warnings and such before they turn around and open up on gun-toting mebers of the public.
The shoot to kill policy is neither here nor there...as has been mentioned in many threads on Abbeyleix, the gardaí do not have a shoot to wound policy, they will aim for centre mass/torso to make sure of at least disabling the target, rather than shooting to wound and any subsequent miss (that might lead to return fire and or death/injury).

I can see where you're coming from here and I view the actions of gardaí in these situations with some suspicion myself...but I also have to think that if these guys were confronted too early (ie before the robbery), you've got them on few to no charges (none of any consequence) and if the ERU waited, someone may have been shot (them included). In the event of a garda or a bystander being killed, the forum today would be full of "Scum out now" threads and the like.

Suspects are confronted and told to drop their weapons...any further move to the contrary is going to get you shot and rightly so. Chances are these guys are too stupid or gung-ho to drop the gun and they get shot. Once those rules of engagement have been followed, I can't see a problem. It's up the ombudsman now to see if they were. Of course in a situation like this, officers will close ranks and everyone will sing from the same hymn sheet, and any of the other members of the gang won't be believed if they make claims to the contrary of what the ERU members say.

You live by the gun, you die by the gun.
Now if only someone in the force would start shooting bank CEOs...

minidazzler · 16-05-2009 07:06PM

jackpalance wrote: »

I think you have a fairly romantic view of armed robbers. They are bad people and they don't give a toss about the people they traumatize. Being held at gunpoint can destroy your life. People do get physically hurt in armed robberies. There are no Butch Cassidys.

Not a romantic view, but I do think it is a bit better than Drug Dealers. Just an opinion.

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