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DTT Commercial Multiplexes (was OneVision, Boxer etc...)

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  • #242
    bob11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭bob11


    watty wrote: »
    I don't believe there are any extra free channels on Onevision.

    RTE1, RTE2, TV3, TG4, OTV are not extra channels. That's what we get anyway if no-one takes it up.

    Eventually an RTE24, RTE kids/Education/Extra and IrishFilm channels (free), no slower or faster if payTV launched


    Hi Watty,

    According to the document they are offering Extra Free channels

    http://www.bci.ie/DTT/one_vision/app1.pdf


    "We propose to offer our customers a mixture of free-to-air and pay channels. In addition to the four (or more) free channels on the PSB multiplex, our customers will be able to access six more for a free suite of at least ten channels."


    "Viewer perspective: It’s May 2012, Roger sees an ad from the Digital Ireland Group (Section
    3.10.1.h) informing him that his analogue transmitter in Carlow is shutting down and therefore he
    will not be able to receive his Irish terrestrial channels after August 2012. He goes to a retailer and
    purchases digital receiver equipment that has the Digital Ireland Group logo on it and goes home
    to plug the box in. Straight away Roger is able to receive the four Irish FTA channels as well as the
    six free channels provided by OneVision. Should Roger wish to upgrade to the Basic / Premium
    pack he can either phone the OneVision sales desk with his card number or go online to enter his
    details and he will receive the services ordered within the hour."


  • #243
    tretle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭tretle


    watty wrote: »
    I don't believe there are any extra free channels on Onevision.

    RTE1, RTE2, TV3, TG4, OTV are not extra channels. That's what we get anyway if no-one takes it up.

    Eventually an RTE24, RTE kids/Education/Extra and IrishFilm channels (free), no slower or faster if payTV launched

    According to their application there are 6 extra channels provided over fta by them not including what is provided on the RTENL free mux so I dont think its a matter of faith, apparently it is supposed to be possible to fit 12 channels per mux so although they said they are offering six fta it makes me wonder if rte can offer 12 on the RTENL free to air mux. If that is the case then it would be possible to have 18 fta channels.


  • #244
    tretle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭tretle


    Elmo wrote: »
    6 FTA channels

    RTÉ ONE
    RTÉ TWO
    TV3
    TG4
    OTV (if it happens)
    IFB Channel (if it happens)

    Boxer didn't know Lucy Gaffney didn't know that they had decided on a Film Channel hence it didn't go into their docmentation. Since RTÉ will be running the PSB Mux they didn't put it in their documentation.

    3e
    3Xpose (if it happens)
    3Today (if it happens)

    Are all part of the 9.99 package.

    I hope your Brother in Law bets you that One Vision won't be seen.

    Regardless of our views of the tv3 group, they have one of the highest viewed channels in Ireland, even over sky when the Irish viewer has an enormous amount of channels to choose from they are still in the top three in terms of Irish viewers.


  • #245
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    bob11 wrote: »
    Hi Watty,

    According to the document they are offering Extra Free channels

    http://www.bci.ie/DTT/one_vision/app1.pdf


    "We propose to offer our customers a mixture of free-to-air and pay channels. In addition to the four (or more) free channels on the PSB multiplex, our customers will be able to access six more for a free suite of at least ten channels."


    "Viewer perspective: It’s May 2012, Roger sees an ad from the Digital Ireland Group (Section
    3.10.1.h) informing him that his analogue transmitter in Carlow is shutting down and therefore he
    will not be able to receive his Irish terrestrial channels after August 2012. He goes to a retailer and
    purchases digital receiver equipment that has the Digital Ireland Group logo on it and goes home
    to plug the box in. Straight away Roger is able to receive the four Irish FTA channels as well as the
    six free channels provided by OneVision. S"

    Who pays for the free channels and where do they come from.

    My argument is that *IN REALITY* given the current financial constraints and the change in circumstances if there is no Pay TV, that WHATEVER number of free Digital channels there are, it will not be much different if Onevision does launch or if no-one takes up PayTV contract.


    I think if there is no radio on a Mux, given current "state of the art" then 14 channels is possible. If they used more power they can use more QAM and have maybe even 20 channels.


  • #246
    tretle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭tretle


    I don't really see the point in offering radio over DTT, why not just offer it over dab and be done with it. Use DTT for what it is meant to be used for, Digital Terrestrial Television.


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  • #247
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    tretle wrote: »
    I don't really see the point in offering radio over DTT, why not just offer it over dab and be done with it. Use DTT for what it is meant to be used for, Digital Terrestrial Television.

    I disagree. I believe radio should be offered. It is incredibly handy. If the infrastructure for DTT is there then why waste money on DAB.


  • #248
    tretle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭tretle


    Because from what I have heard the infrastructure for dab is already here too, No-one I know ever uses their sky box to listen to radio channels, in fact I would love for statistics to be released on the amount of people that actually use that functionality before they decide to offer radio stations indefinitely.


  • #249
    bugfreebob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭bugfreebob


    tretle wrote: »
    Because from what I have heard the infrastructure for dab is already here too, No-one I know ever uses their sky box to listen to radio channels, in fact I would love for statistics to be released on the amount of people that actually use that functionality before they decide to offer radio stations indefinitely.

    I must disagree. I always use my combo sat/DTT receiver to listen to radio when at home. The quality on Free-to-air satellite is excellent. It means that I only have one tuner plugged into the stereo, with one remote for and hi-fi quality audio for TV & Radio. Best of all, I can pause/record radio to hard disk just like TV. The recorded radio takes up almost no space on disk, so I have regular programmes recording periodically. Personally, I wouldn't have any need for a DAB radio in the house.


  • #250
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I love the way the name of this thread changes.

    But surely it should be titled.

    Boxer gone: OneVision in or EasyTV ready??? but is the Freeview model the next step.


  • #251
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Talks about Talks as these things were called back in the 1990s :cool:

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/onevision-sets-sights-on-paidfor-tv-project-1726759.html
    A CONSORTIUM backed by TV3, Setanta and Eircom is set to meet the broadcasting regulator "early next week" after the group took the surprise decision to begin talks on rolling Ireland's next generation of paid-for TV.
    The trio's 'OneVision' originally came in second place in last July's high-stakes battle for the TV contract.
    But the group was given another shot at the project after the first-placed contender handed back the contract almost two weeks ago, citing the changed "economic circumstances".
    The Broadcasting Commission of Ireland (BCI) has made it clear to OneVision that they can only go ahead with the project on the basis they originally proposed in July.
    Ahead of this week's meeting, several sources close to the consortium indicated that OneVision was "unlikely" to go ahead on the July basis, given the changes in the commercial environment since then.
    But the group yesterday surprised observers by issuing a statement declaring it had decided to begin "negotiations" with the BCI on the launch of the new paid-for TV platform, known as DTT.
    "While recognising that the timelines for the DTT project have shifted and the economic environment has deteriorated the consortium remains positive about DTT and is ready to engage with the BCI to move the project forward," the statement said.
    "All recognise the strategic importance of the DTT project to Irish broadcasting and to ensuring diversity of choice and content to Irish television viewers."
    Sources at the BCI said the commission was "quietly optimistic" for OneVision to take over the tender. The two sides will have their first face-to-face meeting "early next week".


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  • #252
    tretle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭tretle


    I just got an email back from the minister for communications yesterday :( Apparently he has no idea that boxer pulled out :/ Kinda makes you wonder.


  • #253
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    A CONSORTIUM backed by TV3, Setanta and Eircom is set to meet the broadcasting regulator "early next week" after the group took the surprise decision to begin talks on rolling Ireland's next generation of paid-for TV.
    The trio's 'OneVision' originally came in second place in last July's high-stakes battle for the TV contract.
    But the group was given another shot at the project after the first-placed contender handed back the contract almost two weeks ago, citing the changed "economic circumstances".
    The Broadcasting Commission of Ireland (BCI) has made it clear to OneVision that they can only go ahead with the project on the basis they originally proposed in July.
    Ahead of this week's meeting, several sources close to the consortium indicated that OneVision was "unlikely" to go ahead on the July basis, given the changes in the commercial environment since then.
    But the group yesterday surprised observers by issuing a statement declaring it had decided to begin "negotiations" with the BCI on the launch of the new paid-for TV platform, known as DTT.
    "While recognising that the timelines for the DTT project have shifted and the economic environment has deteriorated the consortium remains positive about DTT and is ready to engage with the BCI to move the project forward," the statement said.
    "All recognise the strategic importance of the DTT project to Irish broadcasting and to ensuring diversity of choice and content to Irish television viewers."
    Sources at the BCI said the commission was "quietly optimistic" for OneVision to take over the tender. The two sides will have their first face-to-face meeting "early next week".

    What part of that article do you want to highlight? BCI are still in negotiations.


  • #254
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Apogee wrote: »
    In UPC marketing terms, a radio station is considered a channel. A scan of the Cork cable output shows a total of 118 TV stations and 37 radio stations over 11 muxes.

    The geographical variation is due to lower bandwidth on MMDS - typically carrying a total of 87 TV and 37 radio over 13 muxes.

    82 channels in the Second package provided by UPC. I did not count the Radio stations. However I did count The Den, 6 languages for EuroNews (which should be on the one channel) and Setanta Ireland on 401.


  • #255
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Onevision propose to vary the offering that got them scored second out of three last july AND by negotiations , I give this a fortnight !

    Realistically the other lot have to be granted any similar variances too .


  • #256
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    tretle wrote: »
    I just got an email back from the minister for communications yesterday :( Apparently he has no idea that boxer pulled out :/ Kinda makes you wonder.

    I wonder about this, tretle, because one newspaper report had him telling RTÉ to press ahead regards of the pull out by boxer and that PSB MUX should be rolled out by September 2009 and that it was disappointment that the commercial service may not be rolled out at the same time.

    I am think some fool of a civil servant replied to your email. This isn't an excuse if he doesn't know but I just wonder who replied to your email.


  • #257
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    tretle wrote: »
    According to their application there are 6 extra channels provided over fta by them not including what is provided on the RTENL free mux so I dont think its a matter of faith, apparently it is supposed to be possible to fit 12 channels per mux so although they said they are offering six fta it makes me wonder if rte can offer 12 on the RTENL free to air mux. If that is the case then it would be possible to have 18 fta channels.

    I'm guessing that the six channels are FTV rather then FTA. That is they are encrypted and you have to have Onevision specific equipment to receive them, but they won't work in any generic camless MPEG4 receiver.

    Also I think transmitting radio channels of DTT is a complete waste, internet radio is now cheap and gives you vastly more choice. No point in wasting valuable spectrum on it.


  • #258
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    bk wrote: »
    I'm guessing that the six channels are FTV rather then FTA. That is they are encrypted and you have to have Onevision specific equipment to receive them, but they won't work in any generic camless MPEG4 receiver.

    Also I think transmitting radio channels of DTT is a complete waste, internet radio is now cheap and gives you vastly more choice. No point in wasting valuable spectrum on it.

    FTV provided you sign up for 12 months and then you can cancel :(

    6 extra services could be also Radio Stations not TV Channels as pointed out by Apollgee and UPC's marketing of their Digital services. :(


  • #259
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    egad bk I think you are on to something there with the FTV not FTA play .

    Think ..BBC1 BBC2 ITV1 C4 BBCnews24 , one other news .... for €150 one off payment gets you a Nagra box with card as long as you register the card of course and show id.

    Then you can top up the FTV to a sub of sorts as you wish , even if only for a month at christmas ...or watch a PPV event !

    Based on normal telco principles any sim that is live in a given 1 year period ...even if topped up once and used for a week ....is counted as a subscriber

    Hmmm :)


  • #260
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭Apogee


    There is no mention in the text of either restricting the six channels or making them FTV, although it's mostly a statement of intent as opposed to anything concrete. However, making then FTV would act as a strong incentive for people to buy official boxes with the CAM included, rather than purely free-to-air receivers.
    In order to drive early adoption of the DTT platform we intend to provide a range of free to air channels. These channels will typically cover general entertainment, documentaries and travel/lifestyle content. We have allocated six slots in our channel line-up to carry these FTA channels on our commercial multiplexes. OneVision has secured heads of terms/letters of interest and support from the major content providers of these channels. Until such time as licences are awarded it is not practical for these companies to develop individual channel propositions, but strong interest has been received and we are confident that these will prove popular offerings, as they will be freely available and not conditional on subscription to our pay service. At this point, the identities of the parties must remain confidential at their own request. This will serve as an excellent bonus to those consumers switching to the platform to view the PSB MUX Channels. We believe that this extra free content will encourage consumers to consider the broader range of pay content available on OneVision. We are also assigning four slots in our multiplexing plans for radio content. We aim to facilitate the two national commercial stations (Today FM and Newstalk 106) and will allocate the remaining slots on a fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory basis.

    As to which channels it would have been, at a guess they were possibly thinking of those listed as "indigenous" in the document (p.107) i.e. 3Today, 3Xposé, Setanta Ireland, Setanta Sports 1, Channel 6 plus Setanta Sports News.

    In the current climate, probably 3 could realistically be expected to go FTA/FTV: Channel 6/3e, Setanta Sports News and maybe Setanta Ireland.
    Elmo wrote: »
    82 channels in the Second package provided by UPC. I did not count the Radio stations. However I did count The Den, 6 languages for EuroNews (which should be on the one channel) and Setanta Ireland on 401.

    There were 73 TV stations listed on the UPC site for the Select package, so if you add in 5/6 additional Euronews variations, the Info channel and any PPV placeholders, it leaves you pretty close on 82.


  • #261
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd say that even if these plans do go ahead, now that TV3 have Channel 6 under their belt, 3Xposé probably won't happen.


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  • #262
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Karsini wrote: »
    I'd say that even if these plans do go ahead, now that TV3 have Channel 6 under their belt, 3Xposé probably won't happen.

    "TV3 That Lorraine Chick 24" is a non runner ....she is leaving .


  • #263
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Apogee wrote: »
    In the current climate, probably 3 could realistically be expected to go FTA/FTV: Channel 6/3e, Setanta Sports News and maybe Setanta Ireland.

    Yeah I would guess that the FTV channel will be

    3e
    Setanta Ireland
    Setanta Sports News
    3 Today (not going to happen)
    City Channel (Why not)
    Bubbly Hits (at the time of publication)
    Channel 6 (at the time of publication)

    Note that most of those channels come from Setanta and The TV3 Group leaving no room for the BCI to license other channels.


  • #264
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    "TV3 That Lorraine Chick 24" is a non runner ....she is leaving .

    Now that you say it,

    I will now refresh those six FTV channels

    TV3 +1
    Setanta Ireland
    Setanta Ireland +1
    3E
    3E+1
    TV3 +2 <<<<< I cann't wait for this one :) Happy Days :D

    Also TV3 could be one of the Six, it might help up take for all of the Coronation Street and Emmerdale viewers.


  • #265
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭Apogee


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    "TV3 That Lorraine Chick 24" is a non runner ....she is leaving .

    And I was so looking forward to it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdOFg_xgjzM


    (apologies but worth seeing again)


  • #266
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,785 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    watty wrote: »
    Even if RTE had offered credit this would have fallen through. It couldn't possibly do anything other than lose about €40M a year.
    Whats your theory on why one vision want to lose at best €40million a year?
    Altruism?


  • #267
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Whats your theory on why one vision want to lose at best €40million a year?
    Altruism?

    Doherty Hanson want to sell The TV3 Group on in about 2 years hopeful sooner says they.

    They currently own 1 National TV service, 1 Cable TV Service, part owners in the DTT commerical MUXs and part owners in Setanta Sports. A nice portfolio of companies. And on 2 occasions The TV3 Group have put in bids for radio services.

    Should a public body lose money for purely altruistic needs?


  • #268
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Whats your theory on why one vision want to lose at best €40million a year?
    Altruism?

    My theory is that Onevision is unlikely to launch.


  • #269
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    watty wrote: »
    My theory is that Onevision is unlikely to launch.

    Ok lets all take a vote right now! In your next post go with your gut feeling on how One Vision will turn out. Will end just like Boxer or will it succeed in launching (just in launching not in anything else).

    I am going to go with:-


    It will Launch.*



    *TV3 as part of their six FTV channels.


  • #270
    elyod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭elyod


    It will not launch.

    Pay TV will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever launch over DTT.


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  • #271
    Koloman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭Koloman


    Elmo wrote: »
    I am think some fool of a civil servant replied to your email.

    It wouldn't be the first time would it!biggrin.gif


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