Sad Irish losers supporting foreign teams

Helix · 02-05-2009 05:24AM

conorlechance wrote: »

how can you have an affiliation going to the pub and gawking like an amadan at a tv screen week after week?

youre forgetting about the countless people who travel to see their club every week

theyre better fans than you are because they spend more money, and time, to do it... by your logic anyway

Helix · 02-05-2009 05:25AM

Galvasean wrote: »

Yeah I understand and agree with that. I too respect anyone who continues to support a struggling team.

but someone who supports a team who are struggling, and then become successful (like anyone supporting united since the 80s) is worth no respect?

Y2J_MUFC · 02-05-2009 06:16AM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

You have NO right to support these teams. Get a life - your own life.

At the end of the day, I have a right to choose who I support. I think your rant is absolutely pathetic and reeks of narrow minded anti-British sentiment and an underlying argument that's based on pure fantasy. You make wide ranging assumptions about peoples lives which are just ridiculous.

What gives you the right to dictate anything to anybody? Doesn't that go against everything thats Irish? Ireland is a free state, yet, you wish to take away the right of every Irish person to make decisions for themselves because you think we should all follow your narrow minded believes? Laughable.

I have a right to support any team I wish without justification. If this is the pushy anti-British rubbish, "know it all" attitude that's part of the Eircom league (or lower LOI division), I will never, never support it in any way, shape or form.

Perhaps you would like to take away freedom of choice from the Irish constitution while you are at it? Laughable. By trying to turn this into a dictatorship, YOU are the one thats going against everything Irish.

You will also learn that if you try to ram something down peoples throats has quite the opposite effect. I'm free to support whoever I like, so:

Proudly supporting Manchester United since 1985

Win, lose, or draw

Y2J_MUFC · 02-05-2009 06:22AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

From an outsider looking in I have to say the attitude of many (not all) LOI fans is pretty pathetic and completely the wrong way of going about trying to gain popularity to the LOI. Threads like this sum it up imo.

Top post.

Pepe LeFrits · 02-05-2009 10:55AM

What certain LOI fans and other football support-police members fail to understand is that supporting a team means different things for different people. For many, geography is not the defining factor of support for a team. It is arrogant and ignorant to go spouting off about how these fans can't feel any connection to their teams because they don't live in close proximity to the team (or however else they base their support). Just because one LOI fan might put down geographical proximity, drinking in the pub with the manager or being the owner's cousin as the key pillar upon which they build their connection to the club, doesn't mean someone else isn't a real fan if their connection is based on something else.

To the lads who have been on here posting the various reasons why they support: stop. You don't owe them an explanation nor do you need to validate your reasons to them. Judgemental arseholes like these aren't interested in understanding. They have their own narrow view of how things should be and are only out to slag off anyone who doesn't fit. In my experience the vast majority of people who follow foreign teams have very genuine reasons, have been fans for a long time, have a strong 'connection' with the club through going to games, have friends at the ground etc and many other qualifiers that guys like Koloman like to suggest through broad generalisations are not the case.

I find it amusing when the self-annointed 'real' football fans suggest that people should stop supporting foreign teams and support their local team. If they had any clue about what it meant to support a team themselves, they'd know that most football fans can't stop supporting a team. As the imbecile with the big bird avatar alluded to, it's like believing in God. You can't just decide not to. Of course, you get guys who support a foreign team who decide to start going to the LOI too and that's cool if that's your bag. Personally, I went along to a game last year to see what the craic was, and it was a pretty piss poor experience so I haven't gone back.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 11:06AM

Top post Pepe sir. Summed up a lot of what i was trying to argue last night.

For the record I don't believe the LOI is that bad. I have been and will continue to go to a few games but its the attitude of the fans that deters me from going more and becoming more involved.

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 11:11AM

Judgemental arseholes like these aren't interested in understanding.

And people like you are?:rolleyes:

Listen I really don't care as football isn't about filling state of the art stadiums or making it into the Champions League group stages.

My problem is the absolute devotion to English football in this country and the roleplay that goes along with it.

Look at the soccer forum, its laughable 'mancs' 'scousers' and everything that goes along with it by people not even from there. Its pathetic. Like you hate Liverpool why? Because you think you should. lmao How much better would it be to go into school or work and have people having a bit of banter over Derry City and Finn Harps or Bohs and Shamrock Rovers like they do in every other country bar Asian ones rather than talking crap about ****ing Liverpool and Manchester United? The mind boggles.

Its easy for people to roll off nonsense like 'hints of anti-british sentiment' and 'its a free country', nobody is telling you you can't or shouldn't support these teams, its just like religion I find it laughable so i'm not deriding you as a person just your mindset when it comes to supporting a foreign(which nearly always happens to be English or Scottish) team.

As I said earlier in the thread, in this country we are dealing with people like 'xinthecity' who I quote from the soccer forum:

'foreign owners are ruining football here' You couldn't make it up.

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 11:15AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Top post Pepe sir. Summed up a lot of what i was trying to argue last night.

For the record I don't believe the LOI is that bad. I have been and will continue to go to a few games but its the attitude of the fans that deters me from going more and becoming more involved.

Bohemians match last night I spotted the following jerseys and other stuff like jumpers:

Barcelona
Roma
AC Milan
Liverpool
Inter
Arsenal
PSG
Ireland
Celtic

The hostile thing is an illusion, as I said we want MORE fans, what do people expect happens when they show up at games? Its the same when you show up at your token premiership game a season, does anyone say anything to you? Obviously not, LOI fans are far more aware than any anglophiles I know. Some of the most interesting people can be met at LOI grounds, far more than down the pub anyway.

SYLT · 02-05-2009 11:18AM

AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »

But do you not exchange money to get these said pints of erdinger or do they give you them for free? Therefore 'supporting' that fine beer-making establishment?

Whats the difference I'm at a bit confused...

:rolleyes:

Big difference between drinking a beer and supporting a football team, supporting a football team is a life-long commitment.

The Volt · 02-05-2009 11:23AM

EVERTON TIL I DIE

You can't decide that for me. It costs me as much to go see one game as it costs a local to see maybe ten games. I'm no 'barstooler' as such, I have an Everton tattoo and Liverpool as a city is like my second home. This debate has been going on for years and yes I do support Eircom League Soccer passionately, I have an SRFC season ticket but I'm as deeply attached to my PL team for my own reasons, like everyone else. We shouldn't have to justify those reasons to anybody. Either you're passionate about it or well, you just don't understand and frankly, dont matter.

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 11:23AM

Y2J_MUFC wrote: »

At the end of the day, I have a right to choose who I support. I think your rant is absolutely pathetic and reeks of narrow minded anti-British sentiment and an underlying argument that's based on pure fantasy. You make wide ranging assumptions about peoples lives which are just ridiculous.

What gives you the right to dictate anything to anybody? Doesn't that go against everything thats Irish? Ireland is a free state, yet, you wish to take away the right of every Irish person to make decisions for themselves because you think we should all follow your narrow minded believes? Laughable.

I have a right to support any team I wish without justification. If this is the pushy anti-British rubbish, "know it all" attitude that's part of the Eircom league (or lower LOI division), I will never, never support it in any way, shape or form.

Perhaps you would like to take away freedom of choice from the Irish constitution while you are at it? Laughable. By trying to turn this into a dictatorship, YOU are the one thats going against everything Irish.

You will also learn that if you try to ram something down peoples throats has quite the opposite effect. I'm free to support whoever I like, so:
Proudly supporting Manchester United since 1985

Win, lose, or draw

As I said before, you CAN support anyone the hell you want. Just like you CAN wear anything the hell you want, you CAN defend any lifestyle choice you want - It still does not mean people will respect you for it.

Not once did I state anything Anti-British, or "anti-foreign" Read the posts, or is it too much work for you (I know the Oirish Sun is much quicker to read)

Why Man Utd? - That is the question. WTF have you got to do with Manchester? Is it that you randomly, or were instructed to, chose a team and stuck to them?

What makes you PROUD to support Man Utd as a matter of interest?
Why would that make you proud?
Does that deserve honourable recognition and respect?
Is that what you would describe as an achievement?

Well if thats a proud achievement for a grown man like yourself, you'll have a very simple empty, unrewarding life my friend.

SYLT · 02-05-2009 11:27AM

Y2J_MUFC wrote: »

Proudly supporting Manchester United since 1985
Win, lose, or draw

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Do you know what support means?! Do you know that genuine Man United fans HATE people like you. You are out-pricing the loyal Man United fans from seeing THEIR team play just because your a gloryhunter. It must be ****e to "support" a team when other fans hate you.

"Win, lose, or draw" Wow arnt you a hero :rolleyes:

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 11:27AM

Voltwad wrote: »

EVERTON TIL I DIE

You can't decide that for me. It costs me as much to go see one game as it costs a local to see maybe ten games. I'm no 'barstooler' as such, I have an Everton tattoo and Liverpool as a city is like my second home. This debate has been going on for years and yes I do support Eircom League Soccer passionately, I have an SRFC season ticket but I'm as deeply attached to my PL team for my own reasons, like everyone else. We shouldn't have to justify those reasons to anybody. Either you're passionate about it or well, you just don't understand and frankly, dont matter.

There is nothing to justify about supporting an English team, good on you, my second team are stade rennais because both my grandparents are from rennes. i try to make it to a few games a season but i know that they are not my team as I can't possibly give them my full support in the way I can my local team.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 11:27AM

conorlechance wrote: »

Bohemians match last night I spotted the following jerseys and other stuff like jumpers:

Barcelona
Roma
AC Milan
Liverpool
Inter
Arsenal
PSG
Ireland
Celtic

The hostile thing is an illusion, as I said we want MORE fans, what do people expect happens when they show up at games? Its the same when you show up at your token premiership game a season, does anyone say anything to you? Obviously not, LOI fans are far more aware than any anglophiles I know. Some of the most interesting people can be met at LOI grounds, far more than down the pub anyway.

Hostile? Not sure I said that. The attitude im talking about is the whole high and mighty thing a select few bunch of people have. Calling people barstoolers but yet you are happy for them to sit in 'YOUR' ground with shirts of these teams that you are happy to rant about on the net.

And whenever i'm home I go to watch UTD play. I sit with my family (who have season tickets) and know the people who sit around us as they too are regulars.

Im explaining to you that you are going about getting more fans completely the wrong with with these pathetic rants that constantly come up. The attitude that a lot of you show is one of the reasons why the LOI will struggle.

Paul Tergat · 02-05-2009 11:29AM

SYLT wrote: »

[/CENTER]
:D:D:D:D:D:D

Do you know what support means?! Do you know that genuine Man United fans HATE people like you. You are out-pricing the loyal Man United fans from seeing THEIR team play just because your a gloryhunter. It must be ****e to "support" a team when other fans hate you.

"Win, lose, or draw" Wow arnt you a hero :rolleyes:

This is exactly what I am talking about.

Who are you to say he is not a genuine fan? and if you refer to the people of manchester who support Utd hating Irish Utd fans then you are SO FAR OFF THE MARK. Think before you post please!

SYLT · 02-05-2009 11:30AM

Voltwad wrote: »

EVERTON TIL I DIE

You can't decide that for me. It costs me as much to go see one game as it costs a local to see maybe ten games. I'm no 'barstooler' as such, I have an Everton tattoo and Liverpool as a city is like my second home.

Honestly, are you taking the piss?

SYLT · 02-05-2009 11:35AM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

This is exactly what I am talking about.

Who are you to say he is not a genuine fan? and if you refer to the people of manchester who support Utd hating Irish Utd fans then you are SO FAR OFF THE MARK. Think before you post please!

Quick look at his Location and it tells me. I have talked to many genuine united fans and they all hate the plastic paddys. Go to a FC United game and you will see.

So please tell me, how am I off the mark?

MoodyMedic · 02-05-2009 11:37AM

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

For many, geography is not the defining factor of support for a team. It is arrogant and ignorant to go spouting off about how these fans can't feel any connection to their teams because they don't live in close proximity to the team

.....To the lads who have been on here posting the various reasons why they support: stop. You don't owe them an explanation nor do you need to validate your reasons to them.

....most football fans can't stop supporting a team. .

I think you should rewrite that as "For many Irish". How many actual people from Manchester City go purchasing Bayern Munich jerseys and fly to Germany to Bayern matches? Zero. They have pride.

I really do want to hear the validations as to why people support various random winning teams they have no moral right to. Thats what discussion boards are all about. They don't have to stop discussing this.

Most fans feel guilty stopping supporting a team, but as I said before, I'd have the highest respect for a man who actually questioned his irrational loyalty to a sporting club he has no link to. Why can't you stop supporting a team? You do not have to support any club.

tororosso · 02-05-2009 11:39AM

totally agree with you on this. Listening to people in work coming out with "we'll beat the scum at the weekend" is just mind boggling!!! Or a guy claiming to be a Man U supporter to a colleague who says he supports Liverpool: "We'll beat you scouser" etc.....pathetic stuff altogether. Not a soccer fan but I do watch most sport on the tv and never understood why Irish people are so averse to supporting their own national leagues as opposed to following the English league! I think it has something to do with the past 30-40 years of media coverage here (think British newspapers in this country with the tag "Irish" added for good measure) that has fostered the normalisation of supporting foreign teams so vehemently. It is possibly very attractive to support teams like Man U and Liverpool bacause of the success attached to these clubs; There are so many other reasons why Irish people support Celtic so vehemently and there's another tread in that subject so its best left alone. It is ironic that the weakness of soccer in Ireland (what I mean is low attendances and support for local teams etc) has nothing to do with rival codes of sport eg IRFU, GAA and more to do with the obsession with foreign based successful dynasties...

conorlechance wrote: »

And people like you are?:rolleyes:

Listen I really don't care as football isn't about filling state of the art stadiums or making it into the Champions League group stages.

My problem is the absolute devotion to English football in this country and the roleplay that goes along with it.

Look at the soccer forum, its laughable 'mancs' 'scousers' and everything that goes along with it by people not even from there. Its pathetic. Like you hate Liverpool why? Because you think you should. lmao How much better would it be to go into school or work and have people having a bit of banter over Derry City and Finn Harps or Bohs and Shamrock Rovers like they do in every other country bar Asian ones rather than talking crap about ****ing Liverpool and Manchester United? The mind boggles.

Its easy for people to roll off nonsense like 'hints of anti-british sentiment' and 'its a free country', nobody is telling you you can't or shouldn't support these teams, its just like religion I find it laughable so i'm not deriding you as a person just your mindset when it comes to supporting a foreign(which nearly always happens to be English or Scottish) team.

As I said earlier in the thread, in this country we are dealing with people like 'xinthecity' who I quote from the soccer forum:

'foreign owners are ruining football here' You couldn't make it up.

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 12:18PM

This sums it up brilliantly.

There are plenty of leagues all over Europe which are mush worse in standard than LOI and the clubs are well supported by the locals. You see, the Irish are a simple folk and are easily led by media and mass marketing. Whoever presented them with the most flashing lights, wins their hearts.

Pepe LeFrits · 02-05-2009 12:24PM

conorlechance wrote: »

And people like you are?:rolleyes:

... not someone who calls people mindless and ignorant for believing in God.

MoodyMedic wrote: »

As I said before, you CAN support anyone the hell you want.

Not genuinely. You can't choose what team you have an emotional connection to. I've supported my team since I was little, and no team can compete with that now.

conorlechance · 02-05-2009 12:34PM

I would bet I have much more reason to have an emotional connection with rennais than you do with your (english?) club, yet I support my local team as i know it would be foolish for me to say i support them as watching streams on the internet isn't support. my dad would be a rennes fan first but he still goes to finn harps regulary. Surely its obvious that the feeling of being at a match in the thick of the support is far better than gawking at sky sports? you can never feel what drogheda united fans felt against dynamo kyiv or allborg fans against manchester city, its an alien experience to you.

CiaranC · 02-05-2009 12:45PM

It has to be said that there are actually irish fans who are season ticket holders at clubs in England and travel twice or three times a month to see them. These are actual football fans. Misguided maybe, few and far between maybe, but football fans nonetheless.

Pepe LeFrits · 02-05-2009 12:46PM

conorlechance wrote: »

I would bet I have much more reason to have an emotional connection with rennais than you do with your (english?) club, yet I support my local team as i know it would be foolish for me to say i support them as watching streams on the internet isn't support. my dad would be a rennes fan first but he still goes to finn harps regulary. Surely its obvious that the feeling of being at a match in the thick of the support is far better than gawking at sky sports? you can never feel what drogheda united fans felt against dynamo kyiv or allborg fans against manchester city, its an alien experience to you.

Wooooooow, your powers of clairvoyance are astonishing! Bang on the money!

You are right on one thing though (I suppose you had to hit upon something eventually), the match experience certainly does beat watching games on telly. I try to get over to the games when I can, but it's not as often as I'd like to though as I don't live in London anymore.

Y2J_MUFC · 02-05-2009 01:30PM

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Why Man Utd? - That is the question. WTF have you got to do with Manchester? Is it that you randomly, or were instructed to, chose a team and stuck to them?

I don't have to justify my team of choice to you. You have beliefs, which I think are an absolute pile of rubbish. You mightn't like people supporting "foreign teams" but at the end of the day, its my team, my choice, and therefore my club.

MoodyMedic wrote: »

Well if thats a proud achievement for a grown man like yourself, you'll have a very simple empty, unrewarding life my friend.

There you go again, making vast sweeping statements about how "empty" someones life is based on one fact, and no other information whatsoever. You know when someone resorts to these kind of assumptions they are clutching at straws.

I think trying to tell people their rights, based on a personal belief, is narrow-minded and absolutely pathetic.

Please answer the following:

Do you think that coming on and calling people "sad losers" is winning friends for the LOI?
Why do you think that people have to justify themselves to you?
Why are you beliefs more valid than anybody else's?
Do you think you can actually stop people supporting the club they love?
Why do we have "NO RIGHT" to support who we like and who sets these "rights". What are they based on? Your beliefs? Law?

MoodyMedic wrote: »

You have NO right to support these teams.

Please, just present one shred of empirical evidence which states I do not have the right to choose who I support.

After reading this thread, I'm proud not to be associate with the League of Ireland in any way, shape or form.

The Volt · 02-05-2009 01:33PM

Great post Y2J_MUFC, disagree with the last bit though, he doesn't represent the LOI thank god.

limericklad87 · 02-05-2009 01:38PM

its okay to support irish people playing a foreign game but not okay to support foreign people playing a foreign game.....

what a crap argument.......

I do hope you have gotten rid of your TV/ PC /Laptop/ Car/Cooker/ Washing because you've invested money in some other country

The Volt · 02-05-2009 01:41PM

limericklad87 wrote: »

its okay to support irish people playing a foreign game but not okay to support foreign people playing a foreign game.....

what a crap argument.......

I do hope you have gotten rid of your TV/ PC /Laptop/ Car/Cooker/ Washing because you've invested money in some other country

you've never bought anything foreign?

02-05-2009 01:44PM

Plenty of Irish people hate football and hurling and would rather watch paint dry than sit through a minute of it

Y2J_MUFC · 02-05-2009 01:46PM

Voltwad wrote: »

Great post Y2J_MUFC, disagree with the last bit though, he doesn't represent the LOI thank god.

My apologies for the last piece. I know he doesn't represent the league, or indeed, he doesn't represent anything bar a ridiculous belief that he has some authority to judge people who do not agree with his opinions.

At the same time, it does completely and utterly turn me off the LoI. I'd like to get some answers to each of those questions I posed.

Sad Irish losers supporting foreign teams

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