Nation of emmigrants

conorlechance · 28-04-2009 06:46PM #1

so we all know about the story, the irish, the blacks of europe(whatever that means) emmigrated in their boat loads to the new world, mainly to the USA, but also Australia, Argentina, Brazil and Canada and many other new world places but what I want to know do any of you have recent immigrant heritage.

Now i don't mean that your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather was a norman or someone in your family says your relatives stumbled onto shore after the spanish armada crashed in high seas in the west of ireland.

i do, although fairly boring, both my parents are french from rennes, not exciting at all but maby some of you have interesting heritage.

ive never met anyone with any interesting heritage, although one girl in my class had a norwegian grandmother which by irish standards i guess is unique.

Morzadec · 28-04-2009 06:52PM

French Dad, English Mum. Not very interesting.

But no Irish blood in me at all. Yet no one would question my Irishness or view me as not Irish at all, I was born in Ireland etc...

Friend of mine is as exactly as Irish as me, born here, lived here all her life but her parents are from Hong Kong. So many would assume she is not as Irish or is less Irish or whatever, its funny...

AckwelFoley · 28-04-2009 06:53PM

Je pense qu'il est exceptionnel que vous avez les parents français et une certaine chose à être très fière de. Du moins quand vous tombez malade vous pouvez aller en France et obtenir une certaine attention médicale décente, une certaine chose que nous manquons ici. La France est un grand pays. Je l'aime et ai été là à beaucoup de beaucoup d'occasions

zuroph · 28-04-2009 06:55PM

immigrants, Its a trap!!! Don't reply!

AckwelFoley · 28-04-2009 07:21PM

Morzadec wrote: »

French Dad, English Mum. Not very interesting.

oh i bet its interesting around March when the 6 Nations is being played. Dad turns uber french and mum starts cursing the french.

Any frenchman ive ever spoken to hates 3 things.

Americans, the English and loseing any sporting event to either!

Captain-America · 28-04-2009 07:30PM

My grandmother is from Kerry. Beat that.

Morzadec · 28-04-2009 07:37PM

snyper wrote: »

oh i bet its interesting around March when the 6 Nations is being played. Dad turns uber french and mum starts cursing the french.

Any frenchman ive ever spoken to hates 3 things.

Americans, the English and loseing any sporting event to either!

No my Mum has absolutely no interest in the rugger. The only conflict of interests is my Dad trying to decide whether he's going to be French or Irish this year!

Came back from the France Ireland game in Croke Park this year declaring 'we won':rolleyes:

AckwelFoley · 28-04-2009 07:45PM

Morzadec wrote: »

Came back from the France Ireland game in Croke Park this year declaring 'we won':rolleyes:

lol.

banquo · 28-04-2009 07:55PM

Captain-America wrote: »

My grandmother is from Kerry. Beat that.

I shall, with this: I have no relationship with Kerry whatsoever.

Captain-America · 28-04-2009 08:05PM

Ow

GirlInterrupted · 28-04-2009 08:14PM

My family is Italian/German/Irish, I was born in Italy, have lived in Ireland all my life.

Hagar · 28-04-2009 08:16PM

My Ma was a Northsider, Dublin 3. Other than that the family are all decent Dublin folk.

baglady · 28-04-2009 08:17PM

no, but my kids will be half american, lol

phasers · 28-04-2009 08:44PM

West Philadelphia born and raised

AckwelFoley · 28-04-2009 09:10PM

phasers wrote: »

West Philadelphia born and raised

..and on a playground is where i spend most of my days

.>.>
<.<.

dr.bollocko · 28-04-2009 09:12PM

Durty.

Thirdfox · 28-04-2009 09:13PM

Chinese through and through - though learnt my English in England (was asked "What part of England are you from?" in my first day of uni - I replied "Dublin"). It's a right riot to go around the world and declare "I'm Irish"...and then add, "I don't drink".

I want to tough it out in the Irish economy - but I see many of my Irish friends leaving the country and heading for greener pastures.

Terry · 28-04-2009 09:33PM

conorlechance wrote: »

so we all know about the story, the irish, the blacks of europe(whatever that means) emmigrated in their boat loads to the new world, mainly to the USA, but also Australia, Argentina, Brazil and Canada and many other new world places but what I want to know do any of you have recent immigrant heritage.

Now i don't mean that your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather was a norman or someone in your family says your relatives stumbled onto shore after the spanish armada crashed in high seas in the west of ireland.

i do, although fairly boring, both my parents are french from rennes, not exciting at all but maby some of you have interesting heritage.

ive never met anyone with any interesting heritage, although one girl in my class had a norwegian grandmother which by irish standards i guess is unique.

We were enslaved by the British, in the same way black people were at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Britain_and_Ireland#Transportation

In recent times it was used to refer to the Catholics of NI.

Hazys · 28-04-2009 09:40PM

Terry wrote: »

We were enslaved by the British, in the same way black people were at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Britain_and_Ireland#Transportation

In recent times it was used to refer to the Catholics of NI.

TBF Blacks may have had slavery worse than we did

ejmaztec · 28-04-2009 09:46PM

I come from from a long line of celts - at least that's what I think my drunken father said.

Mr Benevolent · 28-04-2009 09:59PM

We were enslaved by the British, in the same way black people were at the same time.

Meh, give an Irish person a chance to blame someone else and they'll seize it in both hands. Ireland was nothing until the Vikings and then the English 'invaded'. We took on their mannerisms, technology and customs and gradually grew out of grubbing around in the dirt for 'tatos and rabbits. Ireland was in the Stone Age until well into the second millennium. Ireland was also the last European country to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Industrial Revolution. If it wasn't for England we'd be the same as Portugal - and not the nice touristy parts either. Most of Portugal is a serious sh!thole, and that's what we'd be if not for the influence of our next door neighbour, good and bad, we depend on them and always have. So enough of this 800 year sh!te, let's just admit we have everything in common with the UK. And don't bother calling me pro- or anti-English, because I'm neither. They exist, and so do we.

And we weren't enslaved compared to the blacks and Aborigines, who were killed and cut up for dogfood in Australia. The history of Australia is just sickening.

Terry · 28-04-2009 10:01PM

Hazys wrote: »

TBF Blacks may have had slavery worse than we did

Give me percentages.

1 in every 80 Irish people were used as slaves during that time. That doesn't take the Van Diemen's land thing into account either.

I think there may have been more black people on the entire African continent that there was Irish people on our fair isle.

Terry · 28-04-2009 10:13PM

Confab wrote: »

Meh, give an Irish person a chance to blame someone else and they'll seize it in both hands. Ireland was nothing until the Vikings and then the English 'invaded'. We took on their mannerisms, technology and customs and gradually grew out of grubbing around in the dirt for 'tatos and rabbits.

Nice take on history there.
So the Vikings and English were masters of technology back then?
Or were they still burning witches at the stake?

As for potatoes, well the English got them at the same time as us (1536, during which time we were under British rule, although not part of Britain).

Ireland was in the Stone Age until well into the second millennium. Ireland was also the last European country to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Industrial Revolution.

We were under British rule during the industrial revolution.
We were not allowed to own anything under their laws.

And we weren't enslaved compared to the blacks and Aborigines, who were killed and cut up for dogfood in Australia. The history of Australia is just sickening.

That's murder and not slavery.

Fratton Fred · 28-04-2009 10:20PM

Terry wrote: »

Give me percentages.

1 in every 80 Irish people were used as slaves during that time. That doesn't take the Van Diemen's land thing into account either.

I think there may have been more black people on the entire African continent that there was Irish people on our fair isle.

The Irish made up a massive 24% of all prisoners deported to Australia.

You might want to read this

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/03/18/day.shtml

I would like to add that the reason for the slave uprising on Saint Patrick's day was that the black african slave's Irish masters would all be too pissed to fight back:D

And this book looks quite good.

http://www.jmr.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/ConJmrBookReview.180/outputRegister/lowhtml although probably not good if you like wallowing in self pity.

conorlechance · 28-04-2009 10:22PM

The Irish did not take on British customs, in fact I would think that it wasn't until the advent of television that 'we' became like the British. I do agree today though, there is definetly so much simularity between the two but there is very different vibes off the countries as a whole.

Irelands location has had a lot to do with its lack of development, Iceland is a country very similar(although probably has more going against it) Climate, geographical isolation stuff like that can't have helped its development, although having said that Dublin was one of the most important ports in the middle ages.

BrianpOkerBoru · 28-04-2009 10:27PM

Hazys wrote: »

TBF Blacks may have had slavery worse than we did

So true, my take on it is genetics that were all so far removed from the rest of europe we are almost like blacks to them intresting if true eh.
Look it up maybe you may have to google brittish genetic makeup but if you do you may find out that most anceint peoples from both this isle and that other one with that german queen on it are in fact not a bunch of european celts or anything like them but just plain old something else.

stepbar · 28-04-2009 10:36PM

My mum married 15 miles down the road so I guess I have SFA all heritage associated with my family. However, my grandad's folk all moved to America in the 1800's and with that I have lots of distant cousins in same. That's about the height of it.

asdasd · 28-04-2009 10:39PM

this was an interesting thread until the "blacks of yurup" silliness.

anyway - tipp and kerry. beat that

Shacklebolt · 28-04-2009 10:49PM

Confab wrote: »

Meh, give an Irish person a chance to blame someone else and they'll seize it in both hands. Ireland was nothing until the Vikings and then the English 'invaded'.

Two points here-

1. Ireland was regarded as a major centre for learning and knowlege throughout Europe during this time period not the backwater you are implying.

2. Yes we were invaded-your little commas seem to be doubting the accuracy of the term but thats exactly what it was, an invasion.

Morzadec · 28-04-2009 10:49PM

asdasd wrote: »

this was an interesting thread until the "blacks of yurup" silliness.

anyway - tipp and kerry. beat that

Lol. To say it went off-topic is a bit of an understatement!

However very interesting discussion nonetheless. FrattonFred's links very interesting.

Makes you think that Ireland today (while frequently playing the victim colonised card a lot) has seemingly benefited from the slave trade and colonisation to a degree not all that far apart from your France's, England's, Germany's etc...

Kind of makes Damien Dempsey lines of 'Colony' seem slightly hollow:-

'We suffered with the Indians in Asia,
Aboriginal Australia,
The African people' etc....

ejmaztec · 28-04-2009 10:51PM

Terry wrote: »

As for potatoes, well the English got them at the same time as us (1536, during which time we were under British rule, although not part of Britain)

Yep, before the Vikings arrived, it was 24/7 potato famine, and they couldn't even take their minds off having no spuds by having a ciggie.:eek:

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