Nation of emmigrants

conorlechance

so we all know about the story, the irish, the blacks of europe(whatever that means) emmigrated in their boat loads to the new world, mainly to the USA, but also Australia, Argentina, Brazil and Canada and many other new world places but what I want to know do any of you have recent immigrant heritage.

Now i don't mean that your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather was a norman or someone in your family says your relatives stumbled onto shore after the spanish armada crashed in high seas in the west of ireland.

i do, although fairly boring, both my parents are french from rennes, not exciting at all but maby some of you have interesting heritage.

ive never met anyone with any interesting heritage, although one girl in my class had a norwegian grandmother which by irish standards i guess is unique.

Morzadec

French Dad, English Mum. Not very interesting.

But no Irish blood in me at all. Yet no one would question my Irishness or view me as not Irish at all, I was born in Ireland etc...

Friend of mine is as exactly as Irish as me, born here, lived here all her life but her parents are from Hong Kong. So many would assume she is not as Irish or is less Irish or whatever, its funny...

AckwelFoley

Je pense qu'il est exceptionnel que vous avez les parents français et une certaine chose à être très fière de. Du moins quand vous tombez malade vous pouvez aller en France et obtenir une certaine attention médicale décente, une certaine chose que nous manquons ici. La France est un grand pays. Je l'aime et ai été là à beaucoup de beaucoup d'occasions

zuroph

immigrants, Its a trap!!! Don't reply!

AckwelFoley

Morzadec wrote: »

French Dad, English Mum. Not very interesting.

oh i bet its interesting around March when the 6 Nations is being played. Dad turns uber french and mum starts cursing the french.

Any frenchman ive ever spoken to hates 3 things.

Americans, the English and loseing any sporting event to either!

Captain-America

My grandmother is from Kerry. Beat that.

Morzadec

snyper wrote: »

oh i bet its interesting around March when the 6 Nations is being played. Dad turns uber french and mum starts cursing the french.

Any frenchman ive ever spoken to hates 3 things.

Americans, the English and loseing any sporting event to either!

No my Mum has absolutely no interest in the rugger. The only conflict of interests is my Dad trying to decide whether he's going to be French or Irish this year!

Came back from the France Ireland game in Croke Park this year declaring 'we won':rolleyes:

AckwelFoley

Morzadec wrote: »

Came back from the France Ireland game in Croke Park this year declaring 'we won':rolleyes:

lol.

banquo

Captain-America wrote: »

My grandmother is from Kerry. Beat that.

I shall, with this: I have no relationship with Kerry whatsoever.

Captain-America

Ow

GirlInterrupted

My family is Italian/German/Irish, I was born in Italy, have lived in Ireland all my life.

Hagar

My Ma was a Northsider, Dublin 3. Other than that the family are all decent Dublin folk.

baglady

no, but my kids will be half american, lol

phasers

West Philadelphia born and raised

AckwelFoley

phasers wrote: »

West Philadelphia born and raised

..and on a playground is where i spend most of my days

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dr.bollocko

Durty.

Thirdfox

Chinese through and through - though learnt my English in England (was asked "What part of England are you from?" in my first day of uni - I replied "Dublin"). It's a right riot to go around the world and declare "I'm Irish"...and then add, "I don't drink".

I want to tough it out in the Irish economy - but I see many of my Irish friends leaving the country and heading for greener pastures.

Terry

conorlechance wrote: »

so we all know about the story, the irish, the blacks of europe(whatever that means) emmigrated in their boat loads to the new world, mainly to the USA, but also Australia, Argentina, Brazil and Canada and many other new world places but what I want to know do any of you have recent immigrant heritage.

Now i don't mean that your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather was a norman or someone in your family says your relatives stumbled onto shore after the spanish armada crashed in high seas in the west of ireland.

i do, although fairly boring, both my parents are french from rennes, not exciting at all but maby some of you have interesting heritage.

ive never met anyone with any interesting heritage, although one girl in my class had a norwegian grandmother which by irish standards i guess is unique.

We were enslaved by the British, in the same way black people were at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Britain_and_Ireland#Transportation

In recent times it was used to refer to the Catholics of NI.

Hazys

Terry wrote: »

We were enslaved by the British, in the same way black people were at the same time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Britain_and_Ireland#Transportation

In recent times it was used to refer to the Catholics of NI.

TBF Blacks may have had slavery worse than we did

ejmaztec

I come from from a long line of celts - at least that's what I think my drunken father said.

Mr Benevolent

We were enslaved by the British, in the same way black people were at the same time.

Meh, give an Irish person a chance to blame someone else and they'll seize it in both hands. Ireland was nothing until the Vikings and then the English 'invaded'. We took on their mannerisms, technology and customs and gradually grew out of grubbing around in the dirt for 'tatos and rabbits. Ireland was in the Stone Age until well into the second millennium. Ireland was also the last European country to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Industrial Revolution. If it wasn't for England we'd be the same as Portugal - and not the nice touristy parts either. Most of Portugal is a serious sh!thole, and that's what we'd be if not for the influence of our next door neighbour, good and bad, we depend on them and always have. So enough of this 800 year sh!te, let's just admit we have everything in common with the UK. And don't bother calling me pro- or anti-English, because I'm neither. They exist, and so do we.

And we weren't enslaved compared to the blacks and Aborigines, who were killed and cut up for dogfood in Australia. The history of Australia is just sickening.

Terry

Hazys wrote: »

TBF Blacks may have had slavery worse than we did

Give me percentages.

1 in every 80 Irish people were used as slaves during that time. That doesn't take the Van Diemen's land thing into account either.

I think there may have been more black people on the entire African continent that there was Irish people on our fair isle.

Terry

Confab wrote: »

Meh, give an Irish person a chance to blame someone else and they'll seize it in both hands. Ireland was nothing until the Vikings and then the English 'invaded'. We took on their mannerisms, technology and customs and gradually grew out of grubbing around in the dirt for 'tatos and rabbits.

Nice take on history there.
So the Vikings and English were masters of technology back then?
Or were they still burning witches at the stake?

As for potatoes, well the English got them at the same time as us (1536, during which time we were under British rule, although not part of Britain).

Ireland was in the Stone Age until well into the second millennium. Ireland was also the last European country to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Industrial Revolution.

We were under British rule during the industrial revolution.
We were not allowed to own anything under their laws.

And we weren't enslaved compared to the blacks and Aborigines, who were killed and cut up for dogfood in Australia. The history of Australia is just sickening.

That's murder and not slavery.

Fratton Fred

Terry wrote: »

Give me percentages.

1 in every 80 Irish people were used as slaves during that time. That doesn't take the Van Diemen's land thing into account either.

I think there may have been more black people on the entire African continent that there was Irish people on our fair isle.

The Irish made up a massive 24% of all prisoners deported to Australia.

You might want to read this

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/03/18/day.shtml

I would like to add that the reason for the slave uprising on Saint Patrick's day was that the black african slave's Irish masters would all be too pissed to fight back:D

And this book looks quite good.

http://www.jmr.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/ConJmrBookReview.180/outputRegister/lowhtml although probably not good if you like wallowing in self pity.

conorlechance

The Irish did not take on British customs, in fact I would think that it wasn't until the advent of television that 'we' became like the British. I do agree today though, there is definetly so much simularity between the two but there is very different vibes off the countries as a whole.

Irelands location has had a lot to do with its lack of development, Iceland is a country very similar(although probably has more going against it) Climate, geographical isolation stuff like that can't have helped its development, although having said that Dublin was one of the most important ports in the middle ages.

BrianpOkerBoru

Hazys wrote: »

TBF Blacks may have had slavery worse than we did

So true, my take on it is genetics that were all so far removed from the rest of europe we are almost like blacks to them intresting if true eh.
Look it up maybe you may have to google brittish genetic makeup but if you do you may find out that most anceint peoples from both this isle and that other one with that german queen on it are in fact not a bunch of european celts or anything like them but just plain old something else.

stepbar

My mum married 15 miles down the road so I guess I have SFA all heritage associated with my family. However, my grandad's folk all moved to America in the 1800's and with that I have lots of distant cousins in same. That's about the height of it.

asdasd

this was an interesting thread until the "blacks of yurup" silliness.

anyway - tipp and kerry. beat that

Shacklebolt

Confab wrote: »

Meh, give an Irish person a chance to blame someone else and they'll seize it in both hands. Ireland was nothing until the Vikings and then the English 'invaded'.

Two points here-

1. Ireland was regarded as a major centre for learning and knowlege throughout Europe during this time period not the backwater you are implying.

2. Yes we were invaded-your little commas seem to be doubting the accuracy of the term but thats exactly what it was, an invasion.

Morzadec

asdasd wrote: »

this was an interesting thread until the "blacks of yurup" silliness.

anyway - tipp and kerry. beat that

Lol. To say it went off-topic is a bit of an understatement!

However very interesting discussion nonetheless. FrattonFred's links very interesting.

Makes you think that Ireland today (while frequently playing the victim colonised card a lot) has seemingly benefited from the slave trade and colonisation to a degree not all that far apart from your France's, England's, Germany's etc...


Kind of makes Damien Dempsey lines of 'Colony' seem slightly hollow:-

'We suffered with the Indians in Asia,
Aboriginal Australia,
The African people' etc....

ejmaztec

Terry wrote: »

As for potatoes, well the English got them at the same time as us (1536, during which time we were under British rule, although not part of Britain)

Yep, before the Vikings arrived, it was 24/7 potato famine, and they couldn't even take their minds off having no spuds by having a ciggie.:eek:

Mr Benevolent

Meh, we love the past. If we put half that effort into thinking about the future we'd be as civilised and advanced as Germany is in 2009.

conorlechance

ah now the germans have their problems, and well at least we don't have school shootings and berlin nazis.

Mr Benevolent

Nah, we just had pointless civil war and half a century of religious suppression.

Anyway, back on topic. I'm emigrating in a few months.

Terry

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The Irish made up a massive 24% of all prisoners deported to Australia.

You might want to read this

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/03/18/day.shtml

I would like to add that the reason for the slave uprising on Saint Patrick's day was that the black african slave's Irish masters would all be too pissed to fight back:D

And this book looks quite good.

http://www.jmr.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/ConJmrBookReview.180/outputRegister/lowhtml although probably not good if you like wallowing in self pity.

I see the sarcasm, but thanks anyway.
24% of British people.
We're not British.

asdasd wrote: »

this was an interesting thread until the "blacks of yurup" silliness.

anyway - tipp and kerry. beat that

Just wanted to clarify the reason.

Shacklebolt wrote: »

Two points here-

1. Ireland was regarded as a major centre for learning and knowlege throughout Europe during this time period not the backwater you are implying.

2. Yes we were invaded-your little commas seem to be doubting the accuracy of the term but thats exactly what it was, an invasion.

This and this:

conorlechance wrote: »

ah now the germans have their problems, and well at least we don't have school shootings and berlin nazis.

We really need a law like the holocaust denial one.
One which prevents Irish people from denying that we were once under the thumb of the British and from saying that the potato famine didn't happen and that we were not used as slaves and that the 800 years thing is a myth.

conorlechance

Confab wrote: »

Nah, we just had pointless civil war and half a century of religious suppression.

Anyway, back on topic. I'm emigrating in a few months.

where

asdasd

Ireland has seemingly benefited from the slave trade and colonisation to a degree not all that far apart from your France's, England's, Germany's etc...

um, no.

FF is obsessed with monserett but it was not an Irish colony. it was tiny, and Ireland - the state, or anyone living here - did not benefit. And the claims of Irish slave ownership are disputed.

Morzadec

asdasd wrote: »

um, no.

FF is obsessed with monserett but it was not an Irish colony. it was tiny, and Ireland - the state, or anyone living here - did not benefit. And the claims of Irish slave ownership are disputed.

What I mean (didn't explain in the post) is that we are living in a first-world country. The only colonised country that can claim this. Coincidence?

I'm saying that the legacy of colonisation still exists. But not for Ireland because we can not be compared to other colonised countries. We were part of a Union (whether willing or not) that was benefitting hugely economically from colonisation. Postcolonial African countries are still economically-speaking (and in other terms, as well politically etc...) dealing with the legacy of colonisation.

The wealth that European countries received from the slave trade is obvious, and the economic exploitation never completely evaporated. Ireland then joined the EU and received a lot of economic benefit from countries' whose wealth was based on this, if you get me.

What I'm saying is that, now, in the modern day the legacy of colonisation is having no negative bearing on our country from what I can tell. Instead it can be seen as having ultimately (paradoxically considering the frequent identification with colonised countries) benefitted Ireland, albeit in a very indirect way.

Fratton Fred

asdasd wrote: »

um, no.

FF is obsessed with monserett but it was not an Irish colony. it was tiny, and Ireland - the state, or anyone living here - did not benefit. And the claims of Irish slave ownership are disputed.

Montserrat is a good example of irish hypocrisy tbh. There was a chap called Patrick as well that springs to mind.

Slavery has been around for years and to call the Irish the Blacks of europe is rubbish. If that title belongs to anyone then surely it should belong to the Slavs, where the bloody term came from.

wexican

I'm from Wexford and Clare. Nothing fancy!

Hazys

Terry wrote: »

Give me percentages.

1 in every 80 Irish people were used as slaves during that time. That doesn't take the Van Diemen's land thing into account either.

I think there may have been more black people on the entire African continent that there was Irish people on our fair isle.

99% of Africians were slaves in american between 1500 & 1900 which was more than the 1.25% of Irish people as slaves for a much shorter period in time as slavery was abolished in Europe well before the Americas.

Look how many countries in the Americas that have huge african populations, they didnt get there by going on holidays and never went home. There are more people of african decent around the world than anybody else, the vast majority was because of slavery. The main reason there is so many irish around the world is because of the Famine and not slavery (being treated like sh1t by the british and being 2nd class citizens is terrible but it is still not as bad as slavery)

To compare the extent of slavery between africa and Ireland is just ridiculous.

seanybiker

conorlechance wrote: »

not exciting at all but maby some of you

Im a mc donagh so I presume going back years and years my family where
Knackers ha ha. Me grandfather joined the cops a year after they where formed 1924 i think. My father was a cop. My eldest brother is a cop and my twin brother is going in next week to templemore to become a cop. i think we are a little different than our namesake. Lol

Snowie

dads from liverpool mums from shropshier dads dads dad was from norway, mums dad was welsh....

Rented Mule

Born and raised on the Southside of Chicago, where everyone was the child/grandchild of an immigrant from somewhere.

getz

Terry wrote: »

Nice take on history there.
So the Vikings and English were masters of technology back then?
Or were they still burning witches at the stake?

As for potatoes, well the English got them at the same time as us (1536, during which time we were under British rule, although not part of Britain).


We were under British rule during the industrial revolution.
We were not allowed to own anything under their laws.



That's murder and not slavery.

under british rule-you seem to forget -or you do not want to know, that the british goverment between the 1860s to 1870s was dominated by irish members of parliment 105 of them ,more than england wales or scotland what ever they wanted they could get, so much for [we were not allowed to own anything under THEIR laws]

asdasd

under british rule-you seem to forget -or you do not want to know, that the british goverment between the 1860s to 1870s was dominated by irish members of parliment 105 of them ,more than england wales or scotland what ever they wanted they could get, so much for [we were not allowed to own anything under THEIR laws]

Where do you pick up this rubbish. Clearly Engish MPs dominated parliment in accordance with their population. Why would Ireland want home rule if we dominated the Westminister.

shindig-jp

An emigrant leaves their land to live in another country. The person is emigrating to another country. An immigrant is a person who once resided somewhere else and now lives in your country.


Strange when people are filling out a landing card that they don't know if they are coming or going ..

I'm Irish and immigrated from Japan.

Hagar

getz wrote: »

under british rule-you seem to forget -or you do not want to know, that the british goverment between the 1860s to 1870s was dominated by irish members of parliment 105 of them ,more than england wales or scotland what ever they wanted they could get, so much for [we were not allowed to own anything under THEIR laws]

I'm open to correction on this but of those 105 weren't they almost entirely Englishmen with lands in Ireland being elected as owners of those lands from "rotten borroughs"?

ScumLord

My family tree consists of 800 generations of highly aquaphobic people we're stuck on this damned island!

mike65

Good to see the usual injured/poor me BS being wheeled out again. Any chance the Irish could start looking forward rather than back? Any chance?

FruitLover

conorlechance wrote: »

the irish, the blacks of europe(whatever that means)

It means we have bigger cocks.