For those who don't vote

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 16-04-2009 01:04PM

BennyLava wrote: »

Shut the F@#k up

I'm sick of listening to people give out about the state of the country, who when asked tell you they don't/ have never voted.

Your not entitled to an opinion, shut up:mad:

I have voted in every election local/national/EU and every referendum in the last 15 years since I got the vote. I have never given FF a first preference, and probably never will, and that's because I dislike their style of politics.

The corruption has been there for a long time for those who care to see

I have a right to an opinion, if you don't vote you don't

You STFU, and GTFO...

I don't vote, but this year I will, if things are going good I won't vote again for anothre 10 years. I have every entitlement to an opinion on everything, and I mean EVERYTHING...

Thrill · 16-04-2009 01:06PM

regob wrote: »

how can we ensure the best people are put into the position of helping these people?

By exterminating all politicians.

luckylucky · 16-04-2009 01:08PM

regob wrote: »

and who can help them in there survival? what is needed for nthis help to be provided? how can we ensure the best people are put into the position of helping these people?

Have you ever actually been in that situation...if not then maybe it's you who should stfu. A long time ago now, thankfully, I was in that situation. The dole was nothing like the amount you got now. I struggled and I actually went hungry a few times. I couldn't afford bus fare/train fares to go to Cork to vote, especially since it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to who got elected.. tbh much of a muchness in Ireland at that time anyway. And if you do find yourself in that sort of situation you really got much more basic priorities and anyone who tells you otherwise has never been there as far as I'm concerned.

In general I think people should make a reasonable effort to vote at least btw.

deadhead13 · 16-04-2009 01:09PM

The real problem is that our two main parties should in fact should be the one party. There are no real difference in the politics of FF and FG. They exist because of a 80 year old conflict and generations of people voting along family lines.

There is a illusion of an alternative, but in reality a majority FG government isn't going to be a hell of alot different from a FF led one.

luckylucky · 16-04-2009 01:13PM

deadhead13 wrote: »

The real problem is that our two main parties should in fact should be the one party. There are no real difference in the politics of FF and FG. They exist because of a 80 year old conflict and generations of people voting along family lines.

There is a illusion of an alternative, but in reality a majority FG government isn't going to be a hell of alot different from a FF led one.

Yeah I agree it's just a question of different personalities. there's no real need for them to be 2 different parties anymore imo either, not that there's any likelihood for them to become one party anytime soon, way too many vested interests for that to happen.

BennyLava · 16-04-2009 01:23PM

ManFromAtlantis wrote: »

in your opinion : does one have the right to vote ? or have to vote ?

In my opinion, one has the right to vote or not, that is your choice

but if one chooses not to then, you don't have the right to voice an opinion on the results/outcome
It's a cop out to say "there're all the same, so there's no point in voting"

Democracy is a mess of a system, but its better than the alternatives out there.
If you don't like your choices, vote for the one you dislike the least, at least then the ones you really hate are denied your vote and don't benefit from your apathy.

handsomecake · 16-04-2009 01:34PM

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

The toll is optional and is not a monopoly

click here for alternate route

dont be so supercilious. it takes 90 mins to go via maynooth and dunboyne. it takes 40 mins on m50. over the course of a week between petrol and the subsequent tiredness its not worth it. id appreciate if you were not so patronising. ive tried all the options. i dont want to give them a cent of my money.id take an alternate if it was better

Capt'n Midnight · 16-04-2009 01:39PM

holly1 wrote: »

What would happen if nobody voted???

Then no one would be elected, but that won't ever happen because even if the public did not vote then all the politicians and their cronies would still vote, with the most votes going to the party with the most candidates and the most cronies.

luckylucky · 16-04-2009 01:40PM

BennyLava wrote: »

In my opinion, one has the right to vote or not, that is your choice

but if one chooses not to then, you don't have the right to voice an opinion on the results/outcome
It's a cop out to say "there're all the same, so there's no point in voting"

Democracy is a mess of a system, but its better than the alternatives out there.
If you don't like your choices, vote for the one you dislike the least, at least then the ones you really hate are denied your vote and don't benefit from your apathy.

I agree that to say "there're all the same, so there's no point in voting" is a cop-out, but there can be genuine reasons for people not voting like the one I pointed out, or even simply that you were way too sick to vote on election day etc etc. So to say you should STFU if you didn't vote is way too black and white imo.

BennyLava · 16-04-2009 01:50PM

My "rant" was aimed at those who don't vote when they have the opportunity to, not those who can't for a legitimate reason

If someone is to sick to vote, they have a hell of a lot more important things to worry about, than what gob@#ite is running the country.

Those who can but choose to abstain then bitch and moan about the result should keep their mouths shut.

If you don't like what's happening get off your arse and vote next time:D

Otacon · 16-04-2009 01:59PM

BennyLava wrote: »

If someone is to sick to vote, they have a hell of a lot more important things to worry about, than what gob@#ite is running the country.

If anything, it should matter more to them! That gobsh!te is responsible for the hospital you go to.

Ddad · 16-04-2009 02:08PM

Both of my grandfathers risked their lives so that I have the opportunity to vote. I agree with many of the earlier posters that many of the candidates in Ireland are gobdaws who'd be better suited to running a country pub than this country. I also agree that the electorate have been betrayed by these people.

However, it is important that we remember that casting our vote is the fundamental basis of our own freedom. We are really lucky to live in a country with a free government, free press and freedom to travel. To a great extent the right to vote has delivered this to us.

As to the right to not vote; well, captain fantastic George W got in by less than 200 votes in Florida for a finish. In Ireland, many candidstes get elected to the Dail on less than 100 votes so bear that in mind. The choice to not vote only faciltates poor governance.

Mr.David · 16-04-2009 02:11PM

Ddad wrote: »

I agree with many of the earlier posters that many of the candidates in Ireland are gobdaws who'd be better suited to running a country pub than this country.

Absolutely not.

If they cannot run the country properly, they should not be let anywhere near running a pub....

Ddad · 16-04-2009 02:30PM

Mr.David wrote: »

Absolutely not.

If they cannot run the country properly, they should not be let anywhere near running a pub....

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