For those who don't vote

BennyLava

Shut the F@#k up

I'm sick of listening to people give out about the state of the country, who when asked tell you they don't/ have never voted.

Your not entitled to an opinion, shut up:mad:

I have voted in every election local/national/EU and every referendum in the last 15 years since I got the vote. I have never given FF a first preference, and probably never will, and that's because I dislike their style of politics.

The corruption has been there for a long time for those who care to see

I have a right to an opinion, if you don't vote you don't

petes

I don't vote. Fcukin countrys in a mess though. I blame the politicians!

Local-womanizer

We leave the voting to all yous and look at what yous have done:mad:

m@cc@

Ranting and Raving => http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1193

Mr.Lizard

You do realise that all these people who 'don't vote' are actually closet Fianna Fail voters? That's how they win everytime despite no-one seemingly supporting them.

holly1

What would happen if nobody voted???

Iang87

holly1 wrote: »

What would happen if nobody voted???

i'd win, don't vote

although there'd be one funny ****er right as the stations are about to close who'd run in and decide everything

monkey9

BennyLava wrote: »

Shut the F@#k up

I'm sick of listening to people give out about the state of the country, who when asked tell you they don't/ have never voted.

Your not entitled to an opinion, shut up:mad:

I have voted in every election local/national/EU and every referendum in the last 15 years since I got the vote. I have never given FF a first preference, and probably never will, and that's because I dislike their style of politics.

The corruption has been there for a long time for those who care to see

I have a right to an opinion, if you don't vote you don't

No, you shut up!!

meditraitor

I vote but I do not see how anyones choice not to vote reduces the value of their opinion!

Corruption is not a purely politics based solution to greed, its across the spectrum.
It is part of human nature that some will try to profit at the hands of others and the utopian ideals of those who have formed ethics and morals which are anti corruption might not even be true human nature so who is to say it is wrong to profit at a cost to another.
We are animals after all and providing for yourself and your family takes presidence.

PS
Fianna Fail are cnuts.<

javaboy

meditraitor wrote: »

I vote but I do not see how anyones choice not to vote reduces the value of their opinion!

You're obviously not a politician so.

Mr.Lizard

Voting is mandatory in Australia yet they still had to suffer John Howard for 11 years.

Riddle101

Everyone has a right to their opinion reguardless of whether they vote or not, they are entitled to express how angry they are. Not to mention maybe there's a reason for someone not voting, maybe some people have become so disilusioned by Irish poltics in general that they feel there is no point in voting because their is no good outcome. There have been times when i felt that way simply because I'm unhappy with the candidates we have to vote for.

Quazzie

I don't care what your post says OP because it is obvious your vote/opinion doesn't count

gurramok

People will vote when it suits their pockets.

Expect a large turnout at the next election as they realise they are losing money by not voting.

m@cc@

Does this also apply for say...for instance, Zimbabwe? I'm fairly sure I know a few people who have an opinion on that.

Hephaestus

FG, Irelands second largest political party has almost identical policies to FF.

It would have made f**k all difference if FG or any other party had control of government because all the parties are concerned about is winning elections & then staying in power by any means necessary.

What we need is an overhall of the entire political system.

IMHO there's no point in venting your fury at non voters - save it for the FF brigade when they knock on your door lookin for votes

handsomecake

ive never voted because none of any of the parties pre election mandates impressed me. no party instilled me with confidence etc.

people voted fianna fail in the last election with the general consensus being "better the devil you know" so ff were voted in again.
but cowan is just a boil on the same arsehole.


why should you side with someone if your not fully happy with them.

javaboy

handsomecake wrote: »

ive never voted because none of any of the parties pre election mandates impressed me. no party instilled me with confidence etc.

I wasn't exactly blown away by any of the manifestos either but would you not at least vote for the least unimpressive one? I mean they can't all be equally bad. So why not use your vote to at least keep the worst party out?

ScumLord

I go in and vote for the independent or one of the smaller parties usually SF. Do vote, just vote any body but FF or FG their just as bad.

handsomecake

javaboy wrote: »

I wasn't exactly blown away by any of the manifestos either but would you not at least vote for the least unimpressive one? I mean they can't all be equally bad. So why not use your vote to at least keep the worst party out?

your post is indicative of whats wrong with the country. you settling for least worst rather then the best.
we should be more like the french ,burn cars out and riot when we dont get what we want.

i dont want to pay more tax,i spent 14 hours in a+e with a broken thumb recently. this should be routine,in and out in an hour. i pay over 1000 euros a year to use the m50 on my way to work. there is no alternative viable route from naas to the airport.i bought a dulux paint pod in b&q in newry for 20 english pounds,its 52 euro in b&q in naas a mile from my house.i cant get a loan from the bank but my tax has to pay for keeping them in business( and i dont even own a house or have a chance of getting one now because of the sins of others even though im on 60k). my grandparents medical card was means tested after donkeys years of paying tax.we pay the highest mobile phone tariffs in europe. this country is not serving me at all. it is cheaper to own a car then use public transport,cheaper to fly to cork then get the train, i could go on and on.

this country is broken,the government dont serve me satisfactorily,and you want me to settle for it as it is the lesser of two evils. **** that

regob

BennyLava wrote: »

Shut the F@#k up

I'm sick of listening to people give out about the state of the country, who when asked tell you they don't/ have never voted.

Your not entitled to an opinion, shut up:mad:

I have voted in every election local/national/EU and every referendum in the last 15 years since I got the vote. I have never given FF a first preference, and probably never will, and that's because I dislike their style of politics.

The corruption has been there for a long time for those who care to see

I have a right to an opinion, if you don't vote you don't

thank god someone speaks sense

Quazzie

handsomecake wrote: »

i pay over 1000 euros a year to use the m50 on my way to work. there is no alternative viable route from naas to the airport

The toll is optional and is not a monopoly

click here for alternate route

luckylucky

regob wrote: »

thank god someone speaks sense

As in speaking sense that one shoe fits all. So tell me if you are from the 'country' struggling and/or unemployed, living in flatland in Dublin and moving around between flats - so there's little or no point in having your vote transferred, and can't afford to go home to vote - should you shut da fcuk up too!

toiletduck

BennyLava wrote: »

I have a right to an opinion, if you don't vote you don't

I've never agreed with this. So because someone decides not to vote for any of the local gombeens and exercise their right not to vote, they should keep quiet? Personally I think the right not to vote and spoil a ballot paper are important.

ManFromAtlantis

BennyLava wrote: »

Shut the F@#k up

I'm sick of listening to people give out about the state of the country, who when asked tell you they don't/ have never voted.

Your not entitled to an opinion, shut up:mad:

I have voted in every election local/national/EU and every referendum in the last 15 years since I got the vote. I have never given FF a first preference, and probably never will, and that's because I dislike their style of politics.

The corruption has been there for a long time for those who care to see

I have a right to an opinion, if you don't vote you don't

in your opinion : does one have the right to vote ? or have to vote ?

Mr.David

handsomecake wrote: »

you settling for least worst rather then the best.
we should be more like the french ,burn cars out and riot when we dont get what we want.

i dont want to pay more tax,i spent 14 hours in a+e with a broken thumb recently. this should be routine,in and out in an hour. i pay over 1000 euros a year to use the m50 on my way to work. there is no alternative viable route from naas to the airport.i bought a dulux paint pod in b&q in newry for 20 english pounds,its 52 euro in b&q in naas a mile from my house.i cant get a loan from the bank but my tax has to pay for keeping them in business( and i dont even own a house or have a chance of getting one now because of the sins of others even though im on 60k). my grandparents medical card was means tested after donkeys years of paying tax.we pay the highest mobile phone tariffs in europe. this country is not serving me at all. it is cheaper to own a car then use public transport,cheaper to fly to cork then get the train, i could go on and on.

this country is broken,the government dont serve me satisfactorily,and you want me to settle for it as it is the lesser of two evils. **** that

Eh....the "least worst" is the best.....

If you want to burn out a car, start with your own, then you wont have to pay 1000euro a year for the m50. Why not even stay in the car whilst it burns?

You could be a burning ember of hope for the country, a modern Bobby Sands laying down your life to better your country.

Oh wait, you dont vote......

regob

luckylucky wrote: »

As in speaking sense that one shoe fits all. So tell me if you are from the 'country' struggling and/or unemployed, living in flatland in Dublin and moving around between flats - so there's little or no point in having your vote transferred, and can't afford to go home to vote - should you shut da fcuk up too!

yes

Turd Ferguson

Voting is pointless. It would have made no difference who was in charge of the country, they would still fuck it up. All Irish politicians are thieving cunts that care more about their own wages and their own positions than the welfare of the country.

javaboy

handsomecake wrote: »

your post is indicative of whats wrong with the country. you settling for least worst rather then the best.

Think of it like evolution. If party A is crap, party B is crappier and party C is crappiest, I will vote for party A.

Here's why:
Parties B and C are worse than party A so even though I don't like party A all that much, they're still better than the alternative.
If parties B and C realise that the way to get elected is to be less crappy like A, they might just try a little harder. Survival of the fittest and all that jazz. So A, B and C will all compete to be less crappy until eventually they cross over into the realm of "good".

Your attitude is what's wrong with this country. Your attitude to voting will never change things. Ever.

we should be more like the french ,burn cars out and riot when we dont get what we want.

But we have got what we want. We as a country wanted FF for years. Burning cars and rioting now is just childish. If the majority wanted a different party in power, they were free to vote them in at any of the elections.

If it's only a minority that wanted FF out, then tough. Welcome to democracy.

luckylucky

regob wrote: »

yes

No.

We can all do retarded one line answers. :rolleyes:

Someone in that situation has got more important things in their mind like their very survival.

regob

luckylucky wrote: »

No.

We can all do retarded one line answers. :rolleyes:

Someone in that situation has got more important things in their mind like their very survival.

and who can help them in there survival? what is needed for nthis help to be provided? how can we ensure the best people are put into the position of helping these people?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

BennyLava wrote: »

Shut the F@#k up

I'm sick of listening to people give out about the state of the country, who when asked tell you they don't/ have never voted.

Your not entitled to an opinion, shut up:mad:

I have voted in every election local/national/EU and every referendum in the last 15 years since I got the vote. I have never given FF a first preference, and probably never will, and that's because I dislike their style of politics.

The corruption has been there for a long time for those who care to see

I have a right to an opinion, if you don't vote you don't

You STFU, and GTFO...

I don't vote, but this year I will, if things are going good I won't vote again for anothre 10 years. I have every entitlement to an opinion on everything, and I mean EVERYTHING...

Thrill

regob wrote: »

how can we ensure the best people are put into the position of helping these people?

By exterminating all politicians.

luckylucky

regob wrote: »

and who can help them in there survival? what is needed for nthis help to be provided? how can we ensure the best people are put into the position of helping these people?

Have you ever actually been in that situation...if not then maybe it's you who should stfu. A long time ago now, thankfully, I was in that situation. The dole was nothing like the amount you got now. I struggled and I actually went hungry a few times. I couldn't afford bus fare/train fares to go to Cork to vote, especially since it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to who got elected.. tbh much of a muchness in Ireland at that time anyway. And if you do find yourself in that sort of situation you really got much more basic priorities and anyone who tells you otherwise has never been there as far as I'm concerned.

In general I think people should make a reasonable effort to vote at least btw.

deadhead13

The real problem is that our two main parties should in fact should be the one party. There are no real difference in the politics of FF and FG. They exist because of a 80 year old conflict and generations of people voting along family lines.

There is a illusion of an alternative, but in reality a majority FG government isn't going to be a hell of alot different from a FF led one.

luckylucky

deadhead13 wrote: »

The real problem is that our two main parties should in fact should be the one party. There are no real difference in the politics of FF and FG. They exist because of a 80 year old conflict and generations of people voting along family lines.

There is a illusion of an alternative, but in reality a majority FG government isn't going to be a hell of alot different from a FF led one.

Yeah I agree it's just a question of different personalities. there's no real need for them to be 2 different parties anymore imo either, not that there's any likelihood for them to become one party anytime soon, way too many vested interests for that to happen.

BennyLava

ManFromAtlantis wrote: »

in your opinion : does one have the right to vote ? or have to vote ?

In my opinion, one has the right to vote or not, that is your choice

but if one chooses not to then, you don't have the right to voice an opinion on the results/outcome
It's a cop out to say "there're all the same, so there's no point in voting"

Democracy is a mess of a system, but its better than the alternatives out there.
If you don't like your choices, vote for the one you dislike the least, at least then the ones you really hate are denied your vote and don't benefit from your apathy.

handsomecake

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

The toll is optional and is not a monopoly

click here for alternate route

dont be so supercilious. it takes 90 mins to go via maynooth and dunboyne. it takes 40 mins on m50. over the course of a week between petrol and the subsequent tiredness its not worth it. id appreciate if you were not so patronising. ive tried all the options. i dont want to give them a cent of my money.id take an alternate if it was better

Capt'n Midnight

holly1 wrote: »

What would happen if nobody voted???

Then no one would be elected, but that won't ever happen because even if the public did not vote then all the politicians and their cronies would still vote, with the most votes going to the party with the most candidates and the most cronies.

luckylucky

BennyLava wrote: »

In my opinion, one has the right to vote or not, that is your choice

but if one chooses not to then, you don't have the right to voice an opinion on the results/outcome
It's a cop out to say "there're all the same, so there's no point in voting"

Democracy is a mess of a system, but its better than the alternatives out there.
If you don't like your choices, vote for the one you dislike the least, at least then the ones you really hate are denied your vote and don't benefit from your apathy.

I agree that to say "there're all the same, so there's no point in voting" is a cop-out, but there can be genuine reasons for people not voting like the one I pointed out, or even simply that you were way too sick to vote on election day etc etc. So to say you should STFU if you didn't vote is way too black and white imo.

BennyLava

My "rant" was aimed at those who don't vote when they have the opportunity to, not those who can't for a legitimate reason

If someone is to sick to vote, they have a hell of a lot more important things to worry about, than what gob@#ite is running the country.

Those who can but choose to abstain then bitch and moan about the result should keep their mouths shut.

If you don't like what's happening get off your arse and vote next time:D

Otacon

BennyLava wrote: »

If someone is to sick to vote, they have a hell of a lot more important things to worry about, than what gob@#ite is running the country.

If anything, it should matter more to them! That gobsh!te is responsible for the hospital you go to.

Ddad

Both of my grandfathers risked their lives so that I have the opportunity to vote. I agree with many of the earlier posters that many of the candidates in Ireland are gobdaws who'd be better suited to running a country pub than this country. I also agree that the electorate have been betrayed by these people.

However, it is important that we remember that casting our vote is the fundamental basis of our own freedom. We are really lucky to live in a country with a free government, free press and freedom to travel. To a great extent the right to vote has delivered this to us.

As to the right to not vote; well, captain fantastic George W got in by less than 200 votes in Florida for a finish. In Ireland, many candidstes get elected to the Dail on less than 100 votes so bear that in mind. The choice to not vote only faciltates poor governance.

Mr.David

Ddad wrote: »

I agree with many of the earlier posters that many of the candidates in Ireland are gobdaws who'd be better suited to running a country pub than this country.

Absolutely not.

If they cannot run the country properly, they should not be let anywhere near running a pub....

Ddad

Mr.David wrote: »

Absolutely not.

If they cannot run the country properly, they should not be let anywhere near running a pub....