Who do the Teachers think they are fooling?

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Well not the Flutther anyway.

We have these well paid,well conditioned, unsackable professionals,rattling sabres at opposite ends of the country,threatening industrial action and the rest, because of the recent Budget.

WTF

I would suggest that a majority of the taxpaying population would be of the opinion that these cossetted people are overpaid and under worked as it is.

They use the education system to rachet up their "claims" and in my opinion, if they go out on strike they should be locked out and that might soften their cough.

People are losing jobs all over the place and these well paid and well heeled professionals are holding the country to ransom.

Take the fcukers on and lets see what their reaction is if they are locked out.

It's not normal I spend so long on a post but this really got to me. And before I begin, I'm not a teacher but I do have some family and friends in the job.

It's not an amazingly well-paid job: I believe teachers start at around €30k and peak at about €65k after 20-odd years in the job, not amazing by any standard. The starting salary is on a par with most graduate professions, and with the Leaving Certificate points around 470 and rising for most teacher training college courses, you can bet that most graduates from these colleges had plenty of other (more lucrative options) to choose from before they decided to become a teacher.

Yes, the holidays are fantastic and an amazing benefit, but if the kids get holidays, so do teachers. Comes with the job and is a benefit afforded to teachers the world over.

You seem to think that teaching is an easy job - I can tell you this, having seen what teachers go through on a daily basis, rising levels of assaults on teachers and increasingly disinterested parents I wouldn't do it if the starting salary was €100k.

Teachers aren't responsible for this crisis. The government sold this country and everyone in it to a small elite of property developers and everyone, whether via private sector workers' wage cuts and reduced hours, or public sector pension levies is paying the price for something that wasn't of their making.

If you actually took a look at the evidence - for example the yearly Global Competitiveness Reports compiled by the World Economic Forum - you'll see that whatever Ireland's other faults, our education system has always lead the way. In the latest report we ranked 7th of 150 surveyed countries for the quality of our educational system despite serious deficiencies in other areas - independent evidence that our teachers are doing their jobs and doing them damn well to boot.

As for your suggestion that teachers should be locked out - let the parents deal with their kids during the week for as long as teachers do and I can guarantee after a week or so they'll be begging the Government to exempt teachers from the pension levy and re-open the schools.

The villifying of the public sector in the press is a very convenient way for the government to divert attention for their own corruption and mismanagement by creating a scapegoat for the country's problems - and judging from your post it seems to have worked. Perhaps your vitriol would be better directed towards the bankers and the our glorious leaders in Leinster House who caused this whole situation.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

littletiger wrote: »

Because I have a better paid job.

Never said it was easy.

Well paid, to me is an unsackable position, up to 190 days off per year, working hours 0900-1500, index linked cast iron pension. And all the sick leave and concessions that go along with that.

:rolleyes:

See that's the thing. I will happily accept that you won't find any teachers on the breadline or being refused for a mortgage, my point is that, in my view, and on any rational analysis of the cost/benefit ratio of having decent teachers for our kids, they're worth that much.

People on Min wage in retail deal with the public as well and get assaulted by types, don't they deserve to have the same pay as a teacher?

And why can't the teachers strike in June, July or August and not wait till September?
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0415/education.html

Primary school teachers are to engage in rolling industrial action from September

They don't give a sh1t about the kids but only to line their own pockets.:mad:

otwb wrote: »

They start on the second point of the salary scale @35k for some obscure reason and also get 5k for having a degree. They can do the same job for 25 years and retire on 63,361. Where is the 30k worth of added value?

I think most people would agree that someone of 20 years experience in any profession is worth 30k a year more than someone just starting out. Why does a lawyer of 20 years experience earn more than a trainee? Or a consultant more than a junior doctor? Come on mate, that's one argument you can't stand over at all.