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Ireland 1989 v Ireland 2009
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i cant remember 1989
Summer holidays in letterfrack caravan park, all over sun burn and all sorts of things that turn into beds.Busses to Ulster Final replays.
Holidays before that were on caravans. The joys of caravans.
That was posh then, now it means something else.
The only major difference in those videos is the cars. All the buildings in the background look more or less the same. I was fairly shocked that you'd easily mistake the 84 video for modern times if there where no cars in it.BlitzKrieg wrote: »comparison (sort of)
Coolock 1984:
(thank you monkeyfudge)
Coolock 2008
A sum up of the problems from both sides
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i cant remember 1989
84, 88 and 89 were great Summers. 84 in particular.Disease Ridden wrote: »Wasnt around for '89 myself, but my brother says the 80's were a brilliant time to be a child, despite the fact that things were tight; apparently it was really sunny during the summers back then, but maybe thats his selective memory?! I'd say it wasn't too bad; at least then if you had wealth, the wealth was solid and you could buy one of those old classy fuel-inefficient E class mercedes!Heh heh... (I don't get it 
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I remember being in Darndale in the early 80's and seeing crap like that. It's nothing new.BlitzKrieg wrote: »comparison (sort of)
Coolock 1984:
(thank you monkeyfudge)
Coolock 2008
A sum up of the problems from both sides
See above.In saying how bad the 80s was at least there was a sense of community,
there's **** all of that in Ireland these days.
You will always get areas where people don't give a ****.
I'm just lucky enough to live in a place where people do care.0 -
84, 88 and 89 were great Summers. 84 in particular.
Ah right, I'm sure he would have scattered memories of the summers of '88 and '89 as he was six in '88. He has fond memories of playing football on the street with the other kids in the area and going inside for kia ora and biscuits afterwards!
Another thing. Everyone says that they never went abroad in the 80's? My older siblings and parents went to Spain 2 or 3 times over the course of the 80's and my dad wasn't making a killing or anything! They say it was cheap enough with a bit of saving, no?
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and you ended up in Maine? Your geography teacher must have been ace.
Yup and very happy here. It's a long time since 1989 and sometimes life will take you where it wants to take you. Now I am a senior vice president of a technology company, it's a little different to when I used to pick stones in the pissing rain.0 -
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Holy flurking shnit! Well done!Now I am a senior vice president of a technology company
Your story is one of considerable enough hardship for a western country (ok, it could be WAY worse, but it's still pretty tough-going). It just seems bizarre for, in the greater scheme of things, a relatively recent time. At 34 you're probably ancient to a lot of posters here, but realistically you're quite young, and that just seems like a life for a person a lot older than you.
Did you end up going to college?0 -
No jobs for smelly foreigners!Auvers wrote:Any chance of a jobHoly flurking shnit! Well done!
Your story is one of considerable enough hardship for a western country (ok, it could be WAY worse, but it's still pretty tough-going). It just seems bizarre for, in the greater scheme of things, a relatively recent time. At 34 you're probably ancient to a lot of posters here, but realistically you're quite young, and that just seems like a life for a person a lot older than you.
Did you end up going to college?
Ireland jumped 30 years in the space of 10 during the 90's. A lot of people don't seem to realize that. Ireland of the 1970's and 1980's was not unlike America of the 1950's. I have never considered myself to have experienced hardship as such as I don't know if we can even fathom what true hardship is. But growing up it did take me a while to understand that not everyones life is like my families. Other families had cars, they had VCR's and they go out and do things.
I did go to a local regional technical college and lasted a year before I dropped out. I was on a vocational grant which put 15 quid into my pocket every week which wasn't enough to even cover the bus fare to get there. Because I lived in the country I had to work farm jobs which paid very little and I became the stereo typical angry young man because my life consisted of college, thumbing lifts everywhere and working to pay for my room at home. I dropped out to take a job driving a forklift in a warehouse.
I did go back and spend 2 years getting a certificate by doing night courses while working full time. I eventually landed a job in the field I love by banging on doors and offering to work for less money that I made driving a forklift. That job required me to have to travel 15 miles to work and I had no way to get there so I offered to travel with a lorry driver I knew and load his lorry for him at the warehouse in exchange for dropping me to my office. This obviously meant some very long days. I would have been 19 then and making 9k a year. I remember a lot of this like it was yesterday, but inbetween then and now not so much.0 -
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Understood. But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing that others don't have faith. It should be down to the individual. Before, there was too much emphasis on everyone literally singing off the same hymn-sheet, whether they wanted to or not. Now things are veering more in the direction of religion being an individual thing, which is better (in my opinion).Sgt Hartman wrote: »Fair enough. I know people must accept and face up to the reality of situations but I also believe that prayer can be a great comfort to people in troubling times. For example, there was a fantastic local priest who provided great comfort and support to my Mam the time she had breast cancer. My Mam's faith and strength certainly helped her during this period and I believe it played a big part in her getting through it.
Yes, there are people who will shove every single catholic into the same category as the bad elements, but that's more to do with ignorance than a desire to be trendy. Not all criticism of the catholic church is an indiscriminate attack on catholics - plenty of the church's critics acknowledge there are very decent catholics. I would still however have a problem with the institution - the Vatican essentially... but not decent individuals.Sorry if you believe I was being patronising. I can certainly understand why someone would detest the Church for the complete abuse of it's position in this country over the years but I also believe that you shouldn't paint all us Catholics with the same brush. There are so many good Catholics out there who also abhor what certain elements in our church have done over the years and we make no excuses for it. These evil, hypocritical b@stards had totally abused their positions and destroyed many lives in the process. The fact that it all came out in the open was a fantastic thing as it helped expose the festering cancer that had being eating away at the core of the Church for so long. All I ask for is that decent, good Catholics and Christians who try to make a positive contribution to their societies are treated with some respect and not tarred with the same brush as those who have brought our church into disrepute and who have irreparably damaged it. There seems to be no respect whatsoever given to Christianity nowadays, especially on this forum where Christianity is often subjected to quite offensive mockery and pi$$-taking, hence why I came to the conclusion that some people find it "trendy" to mock Christianity. There's a difference between reasonable criticism and downright sneering/abuse. Would you mock Muslims and treat them all as lunatic terrorists because of the actions of a certain few? That would be seen as Islamophobic. Mock and ridicule Judaism and you are called anti-Semitic. Here's a Wiki link on Christophobia if you want to check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophobia
As I had mentioned, the institution has been irreparably damaged by the actions of the evil and corrupt within it and more should have been done much sooner to eradicate these evils. They practically destroyed themselves in this country by not doing so. I still choose to keep my Catholic faith because I have experienced so much positive work being done by good, decent Catholics in my community and elsewhere. I have faith in these people and in the work they do and I also believe that my life is better for being a member of the church. The whole institution isn't bad. All I ask for is that we are treated with some level of respect and that we are not put on the same pedestal as those individuals in the Church who have destroyed, and continue to destroy our reputation.
And it's as if you're unaware of the abuse muslims and Jews get - they get plenty of it.
Also, some people object to catholics continuing to support the institution of the church after all that has happened, suggesting they convert to another christian denomination. I'm inclined to agree with that - I don't see why it has to be catholicism that Irish christians embrace. I see nothing wrong with a person being a christian.
I think few would oppose your position in that regard.I also believe that condoms are not the entire solution to the AIDS problem in Africa. There are a lot of superstitious beliefs and ignorance among certain African tribes. For example, some tribes believe that having sex with infants may be able to cure them of AIDS. More should be done to fully educate these people so as to scrap these superstitions and more should be done to make treatments more widely available to them. Education is what the people need in order to turn the AIDS epidemic around in the long-term.
Christ, that was only 1994 - things really did change unprecedentedly quickly. I had the middle-class upbringing and college education and I'll be out of work soon - just goes to show you how third level qualifications can be utterly useless.Ireland jumped 30 years in the space of 10 during the 90's. A lot of people don't seem to realize that. Ireland of the 1970's and 1980's was not unlike America of the 1950's. I have never considered myself to have experienced hardship as such as I don't know if we can even fathom what true hardship is. But growing up it did take me a while to understand that not everyones life is like my families. Other families had cars, they had VCR's and they go out and do things.
I did go to a local regional technical college and lasted a year before I dropped out. I was on a vocational grant which put 15 quid into my pocket every week which wasn't enough to even cover the bus fare to get there. Because I lived in the country I had to work farm jobs which paid very little and I became the stereo typical angry young man because my life consisted of college, thumbing lifts everywhere and working to pay for my room at home. I dropped out to take a job driving a forklift in a warehouse.
I did go back and spend 2 years getting a certificate by doing night courses while working full time. I eventually landed a job in the field I love by banging on doors and offering to work for less money that I made driving a forklift. That job required me to have to travel 15 miles to work and I had no way to get there so I offered to travel with a lorry driver I knew and load his lorry for him at the warehouse in exchange for dropping me to my office. This obviously meant some very long days. I would have been 19 then and making 9k a year. I remember a lot of this like it was yesterday, but inbetween then and now not so much.
Of course it was for you - you were aged between 2 and 12 for that decade.89 was great, it was less complicated back in the 80's.
I'm a similar age and loved the 80s too - it was great being a kid then.
But I'm so grateful I wasn't the age I am now.
Yep. And restaurants did ordinary meat and two veg type grub, none of your fancy schmancy meals like today. Well there was nouvelle cuisine in yuppie New York and London, but little or none of that type of culture seeped into Ireland.Going out for a meal was unheard of, the closet you would get would be a bag of chips and that didn't happen too often.
Our house used to get so bloody cold, but it still does, even with insulation and double glazing installed since. We had central heating in the 80s but we used it sparingly.Houses were like freezers, no central heating, no double glazing, old wooden doors with the wind coming through. We would have to stick towels along the bottom to keep the wind out. Getting out of bed in the morning was awful and there was no such thing as a warm shower.
Oh yeah, towels as draft excluders! Yeah, getting out of bed could be awful all right but in fairness, there WAS such thing as a hot shower.
Not rich but doing ok.If you had a landline you were rich.
Ah now, that's going a bit far...All the vegetables grew in the garden and milk came directly from the cow, no cartons or bottles! There were of course cartons and bottles.
The banger with the bits missing from its floor so you could see the road below while it was moving (it was actually quite cool) - that was a regular feature of Irish households in the 80s.Cars also had chokes and you were lucky if the damn thing would start, especially in the winter.
I don't know. The recession may actually CAUSE people to be more concerned about their neighbours. There's a lot of cynicism here with regards to the supposed disappearance of Irish hospitality... I don't think that will ever die completely.But everyone seemed to have time for everyone. Neighbours would call around and if you needed help with something they would be there for you. It will never be like that again.0 -
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