Are you xenophobe?

Tar.Aldarion · 09-04-2009 03:07AM

Darragh29 wrote: »

We had problems in this country long before we had a large immigrant population. Check out this link... I find it hard to believe that this is going on in Ireland and is being openly admitted to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

cork tbh

donmeister · 09-04-2009 03:11AM

Darragh29 wrote: »

We had problems in this country long before we had a large immigrant population. Check out this link... I find it hard to believe that this is going on in Ireland and is being openly admitted to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

Jesus thats ****ing crazy,honest hard working colored taxi driver's being blatantly discriminated against! Its like 1960's America!

As other people have said given Ireland's history of immigration,being xenophobic is idiotic,but I think with the current state of affairs people who have become recently unemployed will obviously start to become disillusioned....for one, 20% of state benefits go to foreign nationals...

Mr.Lizard · 09-04-2009 09:49AM

I would be Xeno of particular forgieners eg Africans who in many cases are lazy and looking for a free ride but then on the other hand I am not Xeno of other foriegners who come here and try to work hard eg Asians and Eastern Europeans.

Same thing applies to Irish people. I am Xeno of particular Irish people eg Tracker-Knackers who in many cases are lazy and looking for a free ride but then on the other hand I am not Xeno of other Irish people who try to work hard eg .... errr ..... never mind....

mike65 · 09-04-2009 09:57AM

Cork Teddy boy? :eek:

Nodin · 09-04-2009 10:32AM

Darragh29 wrote: »

We had problems in this country long before we had a large immigrant population. Check out this link... I find it hard to believe that this is going on in Ireland and is being openly admitted to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

Ye, remember that. Anyone in cork taking a taxi, don't take his. If he asks say one of his sideburns looks foriegn.

ShooterSF · 09-04-2009 10:54AM

I do love how not letting in non-nationals becomes a colour issue. Surely there are white one's too.

Victor_M · 09-04-2009 11:10AM

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

I would be Xeno of particular forgieners eg Africans who in many cases are lazy and looking for a free ride but then on the other hand I am not Xeno of other foriegners who come here and try to work hard eg Asians and Eastern Europeans.

Same thing applies to Irish people. I am Xeno of particular Irish people eg Tracker-Knackers who in many cases are lazy and looking for a free ride but then on the other hand I am not Xeno of other Irish people who try to work hard eg .... errr ..... never mind....

+1^ What he tried to say.

If they are here for the handouts then yes I am, if they are here to work (legally or not I couldn't care less as long as they are prepared to work) and make a better life for themselves and their family's , then they have my utmost respect.

Same applies to lazy Irish vs hard working Irish too though, so maybe xenophobia isn't the best description for it.

lazygoodfornothingaphobia is what I suffer from.

Dudess · 09-04-2009 11:13AM

palaver wrote: »

That is, do you think that foreigners in this country are the root of all the misery and misgivings you feel at the moment?

No. Perhaps the number of people coming in needs to be controlled as the economy can't cope with too many, but immigrants themselves can't be blamed for this.
People who moan about the foreigners "taking our jobs" are idiots - and lazy. Desperate to find a group they can blame for economic woes. These immigrants are let in - why shouldn't they take advantage if the opportunity presents itself? Same with immigrants who it's felt sponge off the state (much of those stories I'd doubt tbh) - don't blame them if it's easy to do so, blame the system.
People can be selective about the "foreigners" they pick on too - usually they mean non English speaking/non white/non western/people from poorer countries. English/Australian/American/Canadian/Kiwi/South African/Dutch/German tend not to be targets. It's basically just a dislike of the new, the unusual...
Someone I know was complaining about her Kiwi mate not getting a visa renewal "and it's because of all the eastern Europeans" :rolleyes:. If she wasn't so ignorant on this matter, she'd realise those EU citizen eastern Europeans have more right to be here than her mate.

A friend, a foreigner himself, asked the other day if the Irish are turning (turning? were'nt they ever? :rolleyes:) xenophobe

Some Irish people have always been xenophobes, not "the Irish".

Nodin · 09-04-2009 11:19AM

ShooterSF wrote: »

I do love how not letting in non-nationals becomes a colour issue. Surely there are white one's too.

In the bulletin that was broadcast on the day, there was an interview with a number of members of the Cork drivers union. Unless Eastern Europe is now a province of lreland, its fairly clear that "non-national" doesn't nessecarily mean non-national.

Dudess · 09-04-2009 11:22AM

Victor_M wrote: »

If they are here for the handouts then yes I am

I'd be far more pissed off at whomever is giving those handouts than at their recipients...

ScumLord · 09-04-2009 11:29AM

I have a serious irrational fear of foreigners. Whenever I hear a foreign accent I get so scared I start screaming and will desperately try to get out of there by any means, even if it means jumping trough windows. It's ruined my life, I can't watch tv for fear of hearing some French or English accent.

ShooterSF · 09-04-2009 11:34AM

ScumLord wrote: »

I have a serious irrational fear of foreigners. Whenever I hear a foreign accent I get so scared I start screaming and will desperately try to get out of there by any means, even if it means jumping trough windows. It's ruined my life, I can't watch tv for fear of hearing some French or English accent.

First example of "xenophobia"

Victor_M · 09-04-2009 11:34AM

Dudess wrote: »

I'd be far more pissed off at whomever is giving those handouts than at their recipients...

Oh I am, but I can't help it if the majority of this country is stupid enough to keep voting them in!

luckylucky · 09-04-2009 11:42AM

Dudess wrote: »

Some Irish people have always been xenophobes, not "the Irish".

It's always the ones who have problems with people who are different, be they from another country, another continent or just from another part of the country who are usually the ones who have the least reason to look down upon someone else. I think people who are Xenophobes, CulchiePhobes, DubaPhobes, CorkaPhobes or any other type of bigot (besides bigotophobes :P) have deep down low self esteem and deflect this by their dislike and fear of people different than them.

That's not to say that it's not understandable why people would be p'd off if foreigners are anyone else are taking the p1$$ vis-a-vis dole and other benefits. All though xenophobes obviously jump on that bandwagon, it doesn't mean havng concerns in that area makes you a xenophobe.

ShooterSF · 09-04-2009 11:51AM

Interesting. Could you elaborate on what connections you see from low self-esteem to xenophobia?

Vegeta · 09-04-2009 12:10PM

Did you ever do it by accident and then feel like sh1t afterwards?

I was sitting in my friends car down the street from a motor factors about a month ago. My friend was in there buying the required to service his car. Staring off into the distance there was a tap on the window beside me. It was a scruffily dressed Asian man and he was waving around what looked like a window cleaning tool.

To my utter embarrassment I blurted out, "No thanks I don't want my windows cleaned"

Then in perfect English he asked for directions to the motor factors. He wanted to buy replacement wiper blades for his car.

I felt like an absolute cnut and burned with shame over it

I laughed at myself a bit but I was/am a bit worried over it.

Iang87 · 09-04-2009 12:16PM

will someone please think of the children!!

seriously though am prob would be classed in that xenophobe thingy, i'm fully of the belief you should get your own house in order before trying to sort out evryone elses. that where i think we got failed by the government, whilst i dont blame the foreigners they're doing exactly wat any other people would do

live2thewire · 09-04-2009 12:23PM

Iang87 wrote: »

will someone please think of the children!!

seriously though am prob would be classed in that xenophobe thingy, i'm fully of the belief you should get your own house in order before trying to sort out evryone elses. that where i think we got failed by the government, whilst i dont blame the foreigners they're doing exactly wat any other people would do

short sighted. our house was apparently above order 2 years ago. with xenephobia it has nothing to do with economy or anything, its just a blatant dislike for 'foreigners'(hate that word) for absolutely no reason. i know most of ya grew up in no immigrant ireland but if you just knew these people you would think different

ShooterSF · 09-04-2009 12:29PM

Iang87 wrote: »

will someone please think of the children!!

seriously though am prob would be classed in that xenophobe thingy, i'm fully of the belief you should get your own house in order before trying to sort out evryone elses. that where i think we got failed by the government, whilst i dont blame the foreigners they're doing exactly wat any other people would do

Feel d same, though it's not xenophobic maybe closer to nationalist.

luckylucky · 09-04-2009 12:37PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

Interesting. Could you elaborate on what connections you see from low self-esteem to xenophobia?

Btw are you asking me out of interest or because you think I'm talking crap?

It's Just something I've noted people who have inferiority complexes in order to make themselves feel better label people who are different than them. My longest experience of living somewhere where I wasn't from is Dublin. I spent 9 years there and I enjoyed my time there for the most part. I found by and large it was the scanger types who were the most anti-culchie, often overheard some of them saying 'bleedin culchies' or some such stuff followed by inane laughter. Whereas Dubs in general, although reading Boards and seeing all the Cork haters makes me think different, seemed beyond a few more-or-less harmless culchie/corkie comments seemed to have no particular issues with me, maybe it helped that even though I never ran down Cork, I wasn't one for banging on about the fact that I was from Cork also, it's an important part of who I am but not the whole part.

This Corkophobia/culchieaphobia is basically akin to Xenophobia. Basically if you can't see beyond the superficial side of where someone is from and see their individuality then I think it's more of a bad indication of oneself rather than that person. If you can see beyond it and still don't like them for valid reasons or you just don't click with them then that's fair enough of course, you can't like everybody after all.

Hmm sorry not the best explanation of it in the world I know, but it's clear in my own mind

ShooterSF wrote: »

Feel d same, though it's not xenophobic maybe closer to nationalist.

Yip there is a difference. Unfortunately the two can get mixed up sometimes, as being nationalistic can appear to be xenophobic, though it's not necessarily the case.

ShooterSF · 09-04-2009 12:46PM

luckylucky wrote: »

Btw are you asking me out of interest or because you think I'm talking crap?

It's Just something I've noted people who have inferiority complexes in order to make themselves feel better label people who are different than them. My longest experience of living somewhere where I wasn't from is Dublin. I spent 9 years there and I enjoyed my time there for the most part. I found by and large it was the scanger types who were the most anti-culchie, often overheard some of them saying 'bleedin culchies' or some such stuff followed by inane laughter. Whereas Dubs in general, although reading Boards and seeing all the Cork haters makes me think different, seemed beyond a few more-or-less harmless culchie comments seemed to have no particular issues with me, maybe it helped that even though I never ran down Cork, I wasn't one for banging on about the fact that I was from Cork also, it's an important part of who I am but not the whole part.

This Corkophobia/culchieaphobia is basically akin to Xenaphobia. Basically if you can't see beyond the superficial side of where someone is from and see their individuality then I think it's more of a bad indication of oneself rather than that person. If you can see beyond it and still don't like them for valid reasons or you just don't click with them then that's fair enough of course, you can't like everybody after all.

Hmm sorry not the best explanation of it in the world I know, but it's clear in my own mind

No, I was curious if it was an off the cuff statement. You make a fair point but I don't know if it is a self esteem issue. That's why I asked. I feel it's more a dislike of other unknown cultures maybe even fear. Most xenophobes I've met (not that it's a large handful) think a large selection of Muslims are dangerous and Africans liars and cheats. In that fear xenophobia is born. IMO of course.

inforfun · 09-04-2009 02:53PM

Darragh29 wrote: »

We had problems in this country long before we had a large immigrant population. Check out this link... I find it hard to believe that this is going on in Ireland and is being openly admitted to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

Every time when i see that guy i feel young again.
Early 80's we had this couple on TV in Holland, taking the piss out those types

bozirob · 09-04-2009 03:09PM

Are you xenophobe?

interesting question but let me ask you here and let me ask the "Irish" how many of you have non irish friends, becuase that is the stem which nurtures the xenophobe tree a tree which through vast misconceptions and mis understandings labels and attacks others however different they may be with a hostile reaction.

Man fear others who are not like him and seeks to bond with his own animalistic nature and group, he feels threatened by others,

i feel that this threat come from lack of the majority offering a friendship hand to a feared minority thus let me ask you again how many of you Irish have non Irish froends and i dont mean an aussie or american friend I mean Nigerian Romanian:eek: type friend and not a pen pal from France

ShooterSF · 09-04-2009 03:17PM

bozirob wrote: »

Are you xenophobe?

interesting question but let me ask you here and let me ask the "Irish" how many of you have non irish friends, becuase that is the stem which nurtures the xenophobe tree a tree which through vast misconceptions and mis understandings labels and attacks others however different they may be with a hostile reaction.

Man fear others who are not like him and seeks to bond with his own animalistic nature and group, he feels threatened by others,

i feel that this threat come from lack of the majority offering a friendship hand to a feared minority thus let me ask you again how many of you Irish have non Irish froends and i dont mean an aussie or american friend I mean Nigerian Romanian:eek: type friend and not a pen pal from France

First. I can read plain unbolded text fine.

I'm not sure I go along with this completely. People will rationalise how they feel and not the other way. So if say Mr Xenophobe (naming coincidence eh? :pac:) meets a Nigerian in work or out and get's talking he'll probably start at the "I don't trust him" level, however if they get along he may become friends. If he's introduced to one by a mate he'll see he has "qualified" with his friend and will be more open to him.
However he's likely to think his new friend is the exception to the rule unless they are very close and he mixes in both circles (i.e. going out with his Nigerian friend's friends). I don't think xenophobes can't have foreign friends as strange as that is.

monkey9 · 09-04-2009 04:33PM

Blush_01 wrote: »

Nope, but I know plenty of people who are. I had an argument with a drunk on a bus once regarding his xenophobic attitude - it was hilarious, actually.

That was your reflection in the window, you alcho!!!

Fiend-Foe · 09-04-2009 06:28PM

I am now.

Just got my haircut and the gob****e messed it up because he couldn't understand what I was saying, told him what I wanted three times and he looked a bit puzzled then he got it and wnt to work. I knew I should have walked once I saw that dumbfounded look in his eyes. People should be able to speak english perfectly if their job involves interacting with the public whatsoever. Now I have to go around with hair I don't want.

Larianne · 09-04-2009 06:33PM

Fiend-Foe wrote: »

I am now.

Just got my haircut and the gob****e messed it up because he couldn't understand what I was saying, told him what I wanted three times and he looked a bit puzzled then he got it and wnt to work. I knew I should have walked once I saw that dumbfounded look in his eyes. People should be able to speak english perfectly if their job involves interacting with the public whatsoever. Now I have to go around with hair I don't want.

There's many hairdressers who speak perfectly good english and still not get a haircut right.

Dudess · 09-04-2009 06:45PM

Fiend-Foe wrote: »

I am now.

Just got my haircut and the gob****e messed it up because he couldn't understand what I was saying, told him what I wanted three times and he looked a bit puzzled then he got it and wnt to work. I knew I should have walked once I saw that dumbfounded look in his eyes. People should be able to speak english perfectly if their job involves interacting with the public whatsoever. Now I have to go around with hair I don't want.

It's outrageous that someone was cynical enough to hire him for a role that involves dealing with the public, yet not having sufficient command of the language.
Presume his employer is paying him **** all...

Blaming the guy himself isn't fair.

Hazys · 09-04-2009 06:46PM

Wont someone please think of the jobs!!!!

Does good-for-nothing, too lazy to work africians tok ur jawbs!!!!

ShooterSF · 09-04-2009 09:45PM

Dudess wrote: »

It's outrageous that someone was cynical enough to hire him for a role that involves dealing with the public, yet not having sufficient command of the language.
Presume his employer is paying him **** all...

Blaming the guy himself isn't fair.

I do find it odd that the minute someone does a bad job and is foreign they're defended to the hilt. Maybe it's a pre-reaction to the hateful posts that come along too. Both sets of posts though are racism.

I'm not pickin on ya dudess (ya'd prob beat me up

) but I see a lot of "positive discrimation" in here and negative. I don't whether it's as I said reactionary or if people actually think like that.

I'm sure I have many opinions that you can't understand someone thinking so just realise the role is reversed atm. The guy has to at least share the blame. If he was Irish in a different country he would, people would complain he should have been less stuborn and learnt their language.

Are you xenophobe?

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