Are you xenophobe?

palaver

That is, do you think that foreigners in this country are the root of all the misery and misgivings you feel at the moment? That you would be better off without all the foreigners over here?

A friend, a foreigner himself, asked the other day if the Irish are turning (turning? were'nt they ever? :rolleyes:) xenophobe regarding the economic crisis. He read AH comments and got the impression that foreigners, or the official term: non-nationals, are blamed for everything which is going wrong with this country.

So, are you? Honestly?

javaboy

Nope. I am a Xenuphobe though. Can't walk down O'Connell street without getting asked to take a personality test these days. :mad:

Gazza22

Fcuk yeah...damn fordiners tkn ar jbs bud





Really? No

Acacia

palaver wrote: »

He read AH comments ...

That was his first mistake. You should tell him that most things posted on AH are light-hearted, and on the off-chance that they are serious, the poster in question is usually , how shall I put it, a muppet...

Seriously, though why did he base his opinion in the whole country based on an internet forum? Not denying that there is an element of xenophobia in some parts of Irish society...like anywhere.

Gazza22

javaboy wrote: »

Nope. I am a Xenuphobe though. Can't walk down O'Connell street without getting asked to take a personality test these days. :mad:

Same :mad: It's always the same guy too, i mutter no and the reply is always the same "But it will be good for you" a with a sick Tom Cruise smile

arse..biscuits

Acacia wrote: »

Seriously, though why did he base his opinion in the whole country based on an internet forum?

Thats what foreigners do

Galvasean

Heck yeah, ever since that Ridley Scott film in '79

Blush_01

Nope, but I know plenty of people who are. I had an argument with a drunk on a bus once regarding his xenophobic attitude - it was hilarious, actually.

I'm anti-sponger, regardless of creed, breed or sexual orientation. I find people who see welfare as a career choice despicable. Other than that, I couldn't give a toss who you are or what you do, pretty much.

Quint

Please, think of the poor swans

Acacia

arse..biscuits wrote: »

Thats what foreigners do

Yah, they also duk our jawbs, ate our swans,etc,etc.

...but at least they're good-looking. :pac:


I think that pretty much sums up how the typical fordiner thread goes in AH.

staker

Does that include the all those people from Grance? the Grench?

I don't have any feelings of misery or misgivings. . .

kwestfan08

palaver wrote: »

That is, do you think that foreigners in this country are the root of all the misery and misgivings you feel at the moment? That you would be better off without all the foreigners over here?

A friend, a foreigner himself, asked the other day if the Irish are turning (turning? were'nt they ever? :rolleyes:) xenophobe regarding the economic crisis. He read AH comments and got the impression that foreigners, or the official term: non-nationals, are blamed for everything which is going wrong with this country.

So, are you? Honestly?

Emm I doubt the offical term is non-national, isn't everybody is from somwhere i.e they have a nationality

mike65

Hate the Xenos I does, hate them.

palaver

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Emm I doubt the offical term is non-national, isn't everybody is from somwhere i.e they have a nationality

Yeah sure, but did it sink in among the general public?

Non-national is the official term for actually 'bloody foreigners'. That's a fact.
A gentrified term doesn't mean that the feeling towards the blow-ins/the aliens/the foreigners is any different.

rediguana

My mum hates the foreigners since unemployment shot up. I can only debate the point with her when I'm drunk, as it gets too annoying too fast.

kwestfan08

palaver wrote: »

Yeah sure, but did it sink in among the general public?

Non-national is the official term for actually 'bloody foreigners'. That's a fact.
A gentrified term doesn't mean that the feeling towards the blow-ins/the aliens/the foreigners is any different.

The official term with who?, racists?

ShooterSF

palaver wrote: »

That is, do you think that foreigners in this country are the root of all the misery and misgivings you feel at the moment? That you would be better off without all the foreigners over here?

A friend, a foreigner himself, asked the other day if the Irish are turning (turning? were'nt they ever? :rolleyes:) xenophobe regarding the economic crisis. He read AH comments and got the impression that foreigners, or the official term: non-nationals, are blamed for everything which is going wrong with this country.

So, are you? Honestly?

Hmm before this I didn't understand the word xenophobe (looked it up) Surely an irrational fear of foreigners requires people not to try and rationalise it. You can't become xenophobic from an economic crisis any more than arachnophobia surely?

banquo

Given that we have a ridiculous history of emmigration, I think that any Irish person with the attitude of ''bloody immigrants'' is a selfish moron.

Schism

I'll just leave this here

ShooterSF

banquo wrote: »

Given that we have a ridiculous history of emmigration, I think that any Irish person with the attitude of ''bloody immigrants'' is a selfish moron.

Given that we were oppressed by the british for 800 years I think anyone who befriends an english man is a selfish moron*

*I don't really I was just showing your logic makes little sense.

tony1kenobi

No OP we are not xenophobes.....your mate got the wrong end of the stick completely.

What he/she needs to do is learn English properly and/or fcuk off back to where he/she came from.

Holsten

Honestly, yes.. yes I am.

pierrot

People in general are afraid of the unknown. Like a baby making strange. Some take it a bit further.

allimac

YES

live2thewire

good god no. tbh i couldnt associate with someone who is xenephobic because its a sign of a fairly boring person. i go to leeson st and we have different nationalities there and its fun.

its baggage i can do without

ejmaztec

Feckin Xenophobes should feck off back to Xenophobia! We don't want their kind here...bastards.

Capt'n Midnight

Paradoxically I hate Zeno.

Tar.Aldarion

No, I hate more Irish people than foreign people

useful_contacts

Gazza22 wrote: »

Fcuk yeah...damn fordiners tkn ar jbs bud





Really? No

someone was watching south park tonight;)

Darragh29

We had problems in this country long before we had a large immigrant population. Check out this link... I find it hard to believe that this is going on in Ireland and is being openly admitted to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

Tar.Aldarion

Darragh29 wrote: »

We had problems in this country long before we had a large immigrant population. Check out this link... I find it hard to believe that this is going on in Ireland and is being openly admitted to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

cork tbh

donmeister

Darragh29 wrote: »

We had problems in this country long before we had a large immigrant population. Check out this link... I find it hard to believe that this is going on in Ireland and is being openly admitted to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

Jesus thats ****ing crazy,honest hard working colored taxi driver's being blatantly discriminated against! Its like 1960's America!

As other people have said given Ireland's history of immigration,being xenophobic is idiotic,but I think with the current state of affairs people who have become recently unemployed will obviously start to become disillusioned....for one, 20% of state benefits go to foreign nationals...

Mr.Lizard

I would be Xeno of particular forgieners eg Africans who in many cases are lazy and looking for a free ride but then on the other hand I am not Xeno of other foriegners who come here and try to work hard eg Asians and Eastern Europeans.

Same thing applies to Irish people. I am Xeno of particular Irish people eg Tracker-Knackers who in many cases are lazy and looking for a free ride but then on the other hand I am not Xeno of other Irish people who try to work hard eg .... errr ..... never mind....

mike65

Cork Teddy boy? :eek:

Nodin

Darragh29 wrote: »

We had problems in this country long before we had a large immigrant population. Check out this link... I find it hard to believe that this is going on in Ireland and is being openly admitted to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQ-OpypVmA

Ye, remember that. Anyone in cork taking a taxi, don't take his. If he asks say one of his sideburns looks foriegn.

ShooterSF

I do love how not letting in non-nationals becomes a colour issue. Surely there are white one's too.

Victor_M

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

I would be Xeno of particular forgieners eg Africans who in many cases are lazy and looking for a free ride but then on the other hand I am not Xeno of other foriegners who come here and try to work hard eg Asians and Eastern Europeans.

Same thing applies to Irish people. I am Xeno of particular Irish people eg Tracker-Knackers who in many cases are lazy and looking for a free ride but then on the other hand I am not Xeno of other Irish people who try to work hard eg .... errr ..... never mind....

+1^ What he tried to say.

If they are here for the handouts then yes I am, if they are here to work (legally or not I couldn't care less as long as they are prepared to work) and make a better life for themselves and their family's , then they have my utmost respect.

Same applies to lazy Irish vs hard working Irish too though, so maybe xenophobia isn't the best description for it.

lazygoodfornothingaphobia is what I suffer from.

Dudess

palaver wrote: »

That is, do you think that foreigners in this country are the root of all the misery and misgivings you feel at the moment?

No. Perhaps the number of people coming in needs to be controlled as the economy can't cope with too many, but immigrants themselves can't be blamed for this.
People who moan about the foreigners "taking our jobs" are idiots - and lazy. Desperate to find a group they can blame for economic woes. These immigrants are let in - why shouldn't they take advantage if the opportunity presents itself? Same with immigrants who it's felt sponge off the state (much of those stories I'd doubt tbh) - don't blame them if it's easy to do so, blame the system.
People can be selective about the "foreigners" they pick on too - usually they mean non English speaking/non white/non western/people from poorer countries. English/Australian/American/Canadian/Kiwi/South African/Dutch/German tend not to be targets. It's basically just a dislike of the new, the unusual...
Someone I know was complaining about her Kiwi mate not getting a visa renewal "and it's because of all the eastern Europeans" :rolleyes:. If she wasn't so ignorant on this matter, she'd realise those EU citizen eastern Europeans have more right to be here than her mate.

A friend, a foreigner himself, asked the other day if the Irish are turning (turning? were'nt they ever? :rolleyes:) xenophobe

Some Irish people have always been xenophobes, not "the Irish".

Nodin

ShooterSF wrote: »

I do love how not letting in non-nationals becomes a colour issue. Surely there are white one's too.

In the bulletin that was broadcast on the day, there was an interview with a number of members of the Cork drivers union. Unless Eastern Europe is now a province of lreland, its fairly clear that "non-national" doesn't nessecarily mean non-national.

Dudess

Victor_M wrote: »

If they are here for the handouts then yes I am

I'd be far more pissed off at whomever is giving those handouts than at their recipients...

ScumLord

I have a serious irrational fear of foreigners. Whenever I hear a foreign accent I get so scared I start screaming and will desperately try to get out of there by any means, even if it means jumping trough windows. It's ruined my life, I can't watch tv for fear of hearing some French or English accent.

ShooterSF

ScumLord wrote: »

I have a serious irrational fear of foreigners. Whenever I hear a foreign accent I get so scared I start screaming and will desperately try to get out of there by any means, even if it means jumping trough windows. It's ruined my life, I can't watch tv for fear of hearing some French or English accent.

First example of "xenophobia"

Victor_M

Dudess wrote: »

I'd be far more pissed off at whomever is giving those handouts than at their recipients...

Oh I am, but I can't help it if the majority of this country is stupid enough to keep voting them in!

luckylucky

Dudess wrote: »

Some Irish people have always been xenophobes, not "the Irish".

It's always the ones who have problems with people who are different, be they from another country, another continent or just from another part of the country who are usually the ones who have the least reason to look down upon someone else. I think people who are Xenophobes, CulchiePhobes, DubaPhobes, CorkaPhobes or any other type of bigot (besides bigotophobes :P) have deep down low self esteem and deflect this by their dislike and fear of people different than them.

That's not to say that it's not understandable why people would be p'd off if foreigners are anyone else are taking the p1$$ vis-a-vis dole and other benefits. All though xenophobes obviously jump on that bandwagon, it doesn't mean havng concerns in that area makes you a xenophobe.

ShooterSF

Interesting. Could you elaborate on what connections you see from low self-esteem to xenophobia?

Vegeta

Did you ever do it by accident and then feel like sh1t afterwards?

I was sitting in my friends car down the street from a motor factors about a month ago. My friend was in there buying the required to service his car. Staring off into the distance there was a tap on the window beside me. It was a scruffily dressed Asian man and he was waving around what looked like a window cleaning tool.

To my utter embarrassment I blurted out, "No thanks I don't want my windows cleaned"

Then in perfect English he asked for directions to the motor factors. He wanted to buy replacement wiper blades for his car.

I felt like an absolute cnut and burned with shame over it I laughed at myself a bit but I was/am a bit worried over it.

Iang87

will someone please think of the children!!

seriously though am prob would be classed in that xenophobe thingy, i'm fully of the belief you should get your own house in order before trying to sort out evryone elses. that where i think we got failed by the government, whilst i dont blame the foreigners they're doing exactly wat any other people would do

live2thewire

Iang87 wrote: »

will someone please think of the children!!

seriously though am prob would be classed in that xenophobe thingy, i'm fully of the belief you should get your own house in order before trying to sort out evryone elses. that where i think we got failed by the government, whilst i dont blame the foreigners they're doing exactly wat any other people would do

short sighted. our house was apparently above order 2 years ago. with xenephobia it has nothing to do with economy or anything, its just a blatant dislike for 'foreigners'(hate that word) for absolutely no reason. i know most of ya grew up in no immigrant ireland but if you just knew these people you would think different

ShooterSF

Iang87 wrote: »

will someone please think of the children!!

seriously though am prob would be classed in that xenophobe thingy, i'm fully of the belief you should get your own house in order before trying to sort out evryone elses. that where i think we got failed by the government, whilst i dont blame the foreigners they're doing exactly wat any other people would do

Feel d same, though it's not xenophobic maybe closer to nationalist.

luckylucky

ShooterSF wrote: »

Interesting. Could you elaborate on what connections you see from low self-esteem to xenophobia?

Btw are you asking me out of interest or because you think I'm talking crap?

It's Just something I've noted people who have inferiority complexes in order to make themselves feel better label people who are different than them. My longest experience of living somewhere where I wasn't from is Dublin. I spent 9 years there and I enjoyed my time there for the most part. I found by and large it was the scanger types who were the most anti-culchie, often overheard some of them saying 'bleedin culchies' or some such stuff followed by inane laughter. Whereas Dubs in general, although reading Boards and seeing all the Cork haters makes me think different, seemed beyond a few more-or-less harmless culchie/corkie comments seemed to have no particular issues with me, maybe it helped that even though I never ran down Cork, I wasn't one for banging on about the fact that I was from Cork also, it's an important part of who I am but not the whole part.

This Corkophobia/culchieaphobia is basically akin to Xenophobia. Basically if you can't see beyond the superficial side of where someone is from and see their individuality then I think it's more of a bad indication of oneself rather than that person. If you can see beyond it and still don't like them for valid reasons or you just don't click with them then that's fair enough of course, you can't like everybody after all.

Hmm sorry not the best explanation of it in the world I know, but it's clear in my own mind

ShooterSF wrote: »

Feel d same, though it's not xenophobic maybe closer to nationalist.

Yip there is a difference. Unfortunately the two can get mixed up sometimes, as being nationalistic can appear to be xenophobic, though it's not necessarily the case.