Stereotyping

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-04-2009 04:57PM #1

I've noticed a rout of two kinda things on boards lately.

Stereotyping and moaning about stereotyping.

Firstly, the thread about people giving out about the Irish being stereotyped as "paddies" and, in more general (if you'll pardon the paradox) with regard to alcoholism.

Then, you bring up a liberal thread as happened recently with hippies, and suddenly people are making wild guesses and labeling them "crusties" and "smelling of piss" ...

... from the same poeple who gave out about stereotyping in the first place!

Now, I don't want to trun this thread into an anti-Irish debate or an anti-hippy debate (or an anti-anything debate), but who is it okay for someone to complain about stereotyping and then stereotype away themsleves, five minutes later...?

Answers on a postcard...

AnonoBoy · 08-04-2009 05:00PM

Hippies and Crusties are two different things.

Was it the same people doing the complaining as the stereotyping?

08-04-2009 05:00PM

how dare you stereotype us all as a bunch of stereotypers?!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-04-2009 05:03PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Hippies and Crusties are two different things.

Was it the same people doing the complaining as the stereotyping?

In fairness, no, I don't think so, but that wasn't the point I got from that thread.

Back on topic; this is just an example. There were others: culchies, for example, Germans is another one, Americans... And I'm pretty sure the people who complain about the "paddy" jibe are usually the ones to moan about others.

Degsy · 08-04-2009 05:06PM

I love the way people think moving abroad imbues them with some sort of galactic wisdom.

javaboy · 08-04-2009 05:08PM

Degsy wrote: »

I love the way people think moving abroad imbues them with some sort of galactic wisdom.

Take it to PM.

AnonoBoy · 08-04-2009 05:09PM

Degsy wrote: »

I love the way people think moving abroad imbues them with some sort of galactic wisdom.

Stop stereotyping people who emigrate Degsy.

Dudess · 08-04-2009 05:11PM

No offence Ikky, but you've made your stance clear on racial stereotyping, yet I've seen you bitching about Ireland and how you're ashamed to be Irish and that the Irish are a bunch of bigots and you're glad to be gone from here etc... ironic no?

This isn't an attack - I generally agree with you on most stuff but that's one thing that has struck me. I have found it from others who take a very left-wing stance on most stuff also.

I also find, especially over in Politics, there are those of a left-wing persuasion who seem to make a point of dismissing anything remotely republican/nationalist (from reasonable people, not the usual 'ra heads) as "chucky"/"shinner" ranting and then fawn at the altar of unionism in order to show how enlightened they are. These same people will then be appalled by Israel.

seanybiker · 08-04-2009 05:13PM

i dont really mind the paddy thing. Its not really hurtful to call someone paddy. Unless your an ugly woman I suppose.

Biggins · 08-04-2009 05:13PM

I sometimes stereotype myself as a complete twat.
I doubt few will argue with that one! LOL

Degsy · 08-04-2009 05:18PM

Stereotyping has its uses and is usually based in reality anyway.
Maybe not ALL hippies stink to high heaven but MOST of them do.
Other fun stereotypes with a grain of truth:
*Fat people are jolly
*red haired people are bad tempered
*Mental people have abnormal strength
*Country people are mean,especially those from cavan
*All travellers like Elvis
*Old people are useless and moan all the time
*French women are smelly
*german women have haory armpits and are good cardplayers
*Japanese people are capable of great cruelty
*Irish people are drunkards
*Nigerians are dishonest
*canadians are boring
*Americans are loud and stupid
*truck drivers are murderers or at least,rapists
*Fat women try harder
*adult men with ponytails are sexually abnormal
and a few others....stereotypes make the world go round!

Mr.Lizard · 08-04-2009 05:20PM

Degsy wrote: »

*All travellers like Elvis

Never heard that one before? Must be because the both have a life expectancy of 42.

AnonoBoy · 08-04-2009 05:25PM

Degsy wrote: »

*All travellers like Joe Dolan

He's their Elvis.

Rob_l · 08-04-2009 05:28PM

stereotype is a funny word

stereotype
1798, "method of printing from a plate," from Fr. stéréotype (adj.) "printing by means of a solid plate of type," from Gk. stereos "solid" (see sterile) + Fr. type "type." Noun meaning "a stereotype plate" is from 1817. Meaning "image perpetuated without change" is first recorded 1850, from the verb in this sense, which is from 1819. Meaning "preconceived and oversimplified notion of characteristics typical of a person or group" is recorded from 1922. Stereotypical is attested from 1949.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-04-2009 05:31PM

Dudess wrote: »

No offence Ikky, but you've made your stance clear on racial stereotyping, yet I've seen you bitching about Ireland and how you're ashamed to be Irish and that the Irish are a bunch of bigots and you're glad to be gone from here etc... ironic no?

This isn't an attack - I generally agree with you on most stuff but that's one thing that has struck me. I have found it from others who take a very left-wing stance on most stuff also.

I also find, especially over in Politics, there are those of a left-wing persuasion who seem to make a point of dismissing anything remotely republican/nationalist (from reasonable people, not the usual 'ra heads) as "chucky"/"shinner" ranting and then fawn at the altar of unionism in order to show how enlightened they are. These same people will then be appalled by Israel.

Hang on - I've never said I'm ashamed to be Irish! I find Ireland to be a mostly conformist country (an opinion, not a fact), which is why I moved abroad, but I do take exception to poeple who think Ireland is beyond criticism and people who automatically assume that, by moving abroad, I think I'm better than everyone else:
Wtf??
I only did it because I cannot achieve what I want to achieve in Ireland.

AnonoBoy · 08-04-2009 05:33PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I only did it because I cannot achieve what I want to achieve in Ireland.

And how did your boyfriend take it when you got down on one knee?

Dudess · 08-04-2009 05:33PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Hang on - I've never said I'm ashamed to be Irish!

I was sure you had done - or at least agreed with someone who said they were. I apologise. I've definitely seen you criticise Irish society though.

I find Ireland to be a mostly conformist country (an opinion, not a fact), which is why I moved abroad, but I do take exception to poeple who think Ireland is beyond criticism and people who automatically assume that, by moving abroad, I think I'm better than everyone else

Oh I'm not having a go at you for moving abroad, or accusing you of thinking you're better than anyone else.

The_Minister · 08-04-2009 05:34PM

Degsy wrote: »

Stereotyping has its uses and is usually based in reality anyway.
Maybe not ALL hippies stink to high heaven but MOST of them do.
Other fun stereotypes with a grain of truth:
*Fat people are jolly
*red haired people are bad tempered
*Mental people have abnormal strength
*Country people are mean,especially those from cavan
*All travellers like Elvis
*Old people are useless and moan all the time
*French women are smelly
*german women have haory armpits and are good cardplayers
*Japanese people are capable of great cruelty
*Irish people are drunkards
*Nigerians are dishonest
*canadians are boring
*Americans are loud and stupid
*truck drivers are murderers or at least,rapists
*Fat women try harder
*adult men with ponytails are sexually abnormal
and a few others....stereotypes make the world go round!

Rational Discrimination is what you are referring to (Weird, I already had to link this in another thread today).

karen3212 · 08-04-2009 05:35PM

All I want to know is, do I have to pay for a stamp for teh postcard?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-04-2009 05:35PM

Dudess wrote: »

Oh I'm not having a go at you for moving abroad, or accusing you of thinking you're better than anyone else.

True, that was a general opinion. There wsa one guy who tired to have me banned for daring to criticise Ireland. I know I've been anti-conservatrism, but that's me and I make no apologies for it. Anti-Ireland, possibly, in harsher times, but it's more the conservative and anti-anytihing-alternative-to-the-mainstrem aspects of it that get me. Part of me still feels that I had to move abroad rather than choosing to,

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-04-2009 05:37PM

karen3212 wrote: »

All I want to know is, do I have to pay for a stamp for teh postcard?

Unfortunately, yes. But I accept carrier pigeon also!

Dudess · 08-04-2009 05:38PM

Hey, nothing wrong with criticising aspects of Irish society. LOL at whoever that guy was.
Actually, please get rid of your location so that the next time some genius says "well if you don't like it, why don't you gtfo??!!" you can politely advise them you've done so.

karen3212 · 08-04-2009 06:05PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Unfortunately, yes. But I accept carrier pigeon also!

Grand so, I'll be going the carrier pigeon route. I'll wait to see if I need further instructions as to destination, I'm not sure your location details are sufficient, but I'll check with the pigeon first.

The_Minister · 08-04-2009 06:15PM

karen3212 wrote: »

Grand so, I'll be going the carrier pigeon route. I'll wait to see if I need further instructions as to destination, I'm not sure your location details are sufficient, but I'll check with the pigeon first.

Just make him wear a really, really big magnet.

karen3212 · 08-04-2009 06:22PM

The_Minister wrote: »

Just make him wear a really, really big magnet.

Damn pigeons, he doesn't seem to be able to understand why he needs such extra weight?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-04-2009 06:26PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

And how did your boyfriend take it when you got down on one knee?

Not sure I follow...?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-04-2009 06:27PM

Dudess wrote: »

Hey, nothing wrong with criticising aspects of Irish society. LOL at whoever that guy was.
Actually, please get rid of your location so that the next time some genius says "well if you don't like it, why don't you gtfo??!!" you can politely advise them you've done so.

Oh, that doesn't need to happen, before I get the GTFO abuse, I assure you.

The_Minister · 08-04-2009 06:30PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

And how did your boyfriend take it when you got down on one knee?

Deep.

live2thewire · 08-04-2009 06:33PM

did you know that germans are actually funny people. the stereotype that there not came from british propaganda

Killaqueen!!! · 08-04-2009 06:45PM

Whatever about the Irish being drunkards, those damn albanians are vacuous and sh1te at small talk!

(I should really watch Dara o brian dvd again...)

ejmaztec · 08-04-2009 06:45PM

live2thewire wrote: »

did you know that germans are actually funny people. the stereotype that there not came from british propaganda

Throwing German humour and their stereotypical view of the Poles as being thieves, this was a Media Markt ad that got pulled after complaints from the Poles.

can't get it to embed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkmkh6NfS1g

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