Stereotyping

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I've noticed a rout of two kinda things on boards lately.

Stereotyping and moaning about stereotyping.

Firstly, the thread about people giving out about the Irish being stereotyped as "paddies" and, in more general (if you'll pardon the paradox) with regard to alcoholism.

Then, you bring up a liberal thread as happened recently with hippies, and suddenly people are making wild guesses and labeling them "crusties" and "smelling of piss" ...

... from the same poeple who gave out about stereotyping in the first place!

Now, I don't want to trun this thread into an anti-Irish debate or an anti-hippy debate (or an anti-anything debate), but who is it okay for someone to complain about stereotyping and then stereotype away themsleves, five minutes later...?

Answers on a postcard...

AnonoBoy

Hippies and Crusties are two different things.

Was it the same people doing the complaining as the stereotyping?

how dare you stereotype us all as a bunch of stereotypers?!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Hippies and Crusties are two different things.

Was it the same people doing the complaining as the stereotyping?

In fairness, no, I don't think so, but that wasn't the point I got from that thread.

Back on topic; this is just an example. There were others: culchies, for example, Germans is another one, Americans... And I'm pretty sure the people who complain about the "paddy" jibe are usually the ones to moan about others.

Degsy

I love the way people think moving abroad imbues them with some sort of galactic wisdom.

javaboy

Degsy wrote: »

I love the way people think moving abroad imbues them with some sort of galactic wisdom.

Take it to PM.

AnonoBoy

Degsy wrote: »

I love the way people think moving abroad imbues them with some sort of galactic wisdom.

Stop stereotyping people who emigrate Degsy.

Dudess

No offence Ikky, but you've made your stance clear on racial stereotyping, yet I've seen you bitching about Ireland and how you're ashamed to be Irish and that the Irish are a bunch of bigots and you're glad to be gone from here etc... ironic no?

This isn't an attack - I generally agree with you on most stuff but that's one thing that has struck me. I have found it from others who take a very left-wing stance on most stuff also.

I also find, especially over in Politics, there are those of a left-wing persuasion who seem to make a point of dismissing anything remotely republican/nationalist (from reasonable people, not the usual 'ra heads) as "chucky"/"shinner" ranting and then fawn at the altar of unionism in order to show how enlightened they are. These same people will then be appalled by Israel.

seanybiker

i dont really mind the paddy thing. Its not really hurtful to call someone paddy. Unless your an ugly woman I suppose.

Biggins

I sometimes stereotype myself as a complete twat.
I doubt few will argue with that one! LOL

Degsy

Stereotyping has its uses and is usually based in reality anyway.
Maybe not ALL hippies stink to high heaven but MOST of them do.
Other fun stereotypes with a grain of truth:
*Fat people are jolly
*red haired people are bad tempered
*Mental people have abnormal strength
*Country people are mean,especially those from cavan
*All travellers like Elvis
*Old people are useless and moan all the time
*French women are smelly
*german women have haory armpits and are good cardplayers
*Japanese people are capable of great cruelty
*Irish people are drunkards
*Nigerians are dishonest
*canadians are boring
*Americans are loud and stupid
*truck drivers are murderers or at least,rapists
*Fat women try harder
*adult men with ponytails are sexually abnormal
and a few others....stereotypes make the world go round!

Mr.Lizard

Degsy wrote: »

*All travellers like Elvis

Never heard that one before? Must be because the both have a life expectancy of 42.

AnonoBoy

Degsy wrote: »

*All travellers like Joe Dolan

He's their Elvis.

Rob_l

stereotype is a funny word

stereotype
1798, "method of printing from a plate," from Fr. stéréotype (adj.) "printing by means of a solid plate of type," from Gk. stereos "solid" (see sterile) + Fr. type "type." Noun meaning "a stereotype plate" is from 1817. Meaning "image perpetuated without change" is first recorded 1850, from the verb in this sense, which is from 1819. Meaning "preconceived and oversimplified notion of characteristics typical of a person or group" is recorded from 1922. Stereotypical is attested from 1949.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dudess wrote: »

No offence Ikky, but you've made your stance clear on racial stereotyping, yet I've seen you bitching about Ireland and how you're ashamed to be Irish and that the Irish are a bunch of bigots and you're glad to be gone from here etc... ironic no?

This isn't an attack - I generally agree with you on most stuff but that's one thing that has struck me. I have found it from others who take a very left-wing stance on most stuff also.

I also find, especially over in Politics, there are those of a left-wing persuasion who seem to make a point of dismissing anything remotely republican/nationalist (from reasonable people, not the usual 'ra heads) as "chucky"/"shinner" ranting and then fawn at the altar of unionism in order to show how enlightened they are. These same people will then be appalled by Israel.

Hang on - I've never said I'm ashamed to be Irish! I find Ireland to be a mostly conformist country (an opinion, not a fact), which is why I moved abroad, but I do take exception to poeple who think Ireland is beyond criticism and people who automatically assume that, by moving abroad, I think I'm better than everyone else:
Wtf??
I only did it because I cannot achieve what I want to achieve in Ireland.

AnonoBoy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I only did it because I cannot achieve what I want to achieve in Ireland.

And how did your boyfriend take it when you got down on one knee?

Dudess

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Hang on - I've never said I'm ashamed to be Irish!

I was sure you had done - or at least agreed with someone who said they were. I apologise. I've definitely seen you criticise Irish society though.

I find Ireland to be a mostly conformist country (an opinion, not a fact), which is why I moved abroad, but I do take exception to poeple who think Ireland is beyond criticism and people who automatically assume that, by moving abroad, I think I'm better than everyone else

Oh I'm not having a go at you for moving abroad, or accusing you of thinking you're better than anyone else.

The_Minister

Degsy wrote: »

Stereotyping has its uses and is usually based in reality anyway.
Maybe not ALL hippies stink to high heaven but MOST of them do.
Other fun stereotypes with a grain of truth:
*Fat people are jolly
*red haired people are bad tempered
*Mental people have abnormal strength
*Country people are mean,especially those from cavan
*All travellers like Elvis
*Old people are useless and moan all the time
*French women are smelly
*german women have haory armpits and are good cardplayers
*Japanese people are capable of great cruelty
*Irish people are drunkards
*Nigerians are dishonest
*canadians are boring
*Americans are loud and stupid
*truck drivers are murderers or at least,rapists
*Fat women try harder
*adult men with ponytails are sexually abnormal
and a few others....stereotypes make the world go round!

Rational Discrimination is what you are referring to (Weird, I already had to link this in another thread today).

karen3212

All I want to know is, do I have to pay for a stamp for teh postcard?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dudess wrote: »

Oh I'm not having a go at you for moving abroad, or accusing you of thinking you're better than anyone else.

True, that was a general opinion. There wsa one guy who tired to have me banned for daring to criticise Ireland. I know I've been anti-conservatrism, but that's me and I make no apologies for it. Anti-Ireland, possibly, in harsher times, but it's more the conservative and anti-anytihing-alternative-to-the-mainstrem aspects of it that get me. Part of me still feels that I had to move abroad rather than choosing to,

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

karen3212 wrote: »

All I want to know is, do I have to pay for a stamp for teh postcard?

Unfortunately, yes. But I accept carrier pigeon also!

Dudess

Hey, nothing wrong with criticising aspects of Irish society. LOL at whoever that guy was.
Actually, please get rid of your location so that the next time some genius says "well if you don't like it, why don't you gtfo??!!" you can politely advise them you've done so.

karen3212

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Unfortunately, yes. But I accept carrier pigeon also!

Grand so, I'll be going the carrier pigeon route. I'll wait to see if I need further instructions as to destination, I'm not sure your location details are sufficient, but I'll check with the pigeon first.

The_Minister

karen3212 wrote: »

Grand so, I'll be going the carrier pigeon route. I'll wait to see if I need further instructions as to destination, I'm not sure your location details are sufficient, but I'll check with the pigeon first.

Just make him wear a really, really big magnet.

karen3212

The_Minister wrote: »

Just make him wear a really, really big magnet.

Damn pigeons, he doesn't seem to be able to understand why he needs such extra weight?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AnonoBoy wrote: »

And how did your boyfriend take it when you got down on one knee?

Not sure I follow...?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dudess wrote: »

Hey, nothing wrong with criticising aspects of Irish society. LOL at whoever that guy was.
Actually, please get rid of your location so that the next time some genius says "well if you don't like it, why don't you gtfo??!!" you can politely advise them you've done so.

Oh, that doesn't need to happen, before I get the GTFO abuse, I assure you.

The_Minister

AnonoBoy wrote: »

And how did your boyfriend take it when you got down on one knee?

Deep.

live2thewire

did you know that germans are actually funny people. the stereotype that there not came from british propaganda

Killaqueen!!!

Whatever about the Irish being drunkards, those damn albanians are vacuous and sh1te at small talk!

(I should really watch Dara o brian dvd again...)

ejmaztec

live2thewire wrote: »

did you know that germans are actually funny people. the stereotype that there not came from british propaganda

Throwing German humour and their stereotypical view of the Poles as being thieves, this was a Media Markt ad that got pulled after complaints from the Poles.

can't get it to embed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkmkh6NfS1g

karen3212

live2thewire wrote: »

did you know that germans are actually funny people.

Efficient working machines, which is why I'm very surprised they still haven't caught Ikky Poo playing all hours on the internet.

luckylucky

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Back on topic; this is just an example. There were others: culchies, for example, Germans is another one, Americans... And I'm pretty sure the people who complain about the "paddy" jibe are usually the ones to moan about others.

Sometimes the way a certain element of Dubs talk about culchies it's almost as if they forget that there's more culchies on boards than they are dubs. I've even seen some mods say they hate culchies (not sure if it's even tongue-in-cheek)
Americans are an easy target imo and it's overdone alright. Dubya Bush did a lot of damage to their rep. Imo America has some of the nicest people in the world but some of their people let them down. Germans - not sure if you are just referring to a joke, albeit an ill-advised one that I shouldn't have made or was there more. If it was just that then it would be a bit of a stretch to say that Germans have come in for a lot of sterotyping.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Hang on - I've never said I'm ashamed to be Irish! I find Ireland to be a mostly conformist country (an opinion, not a fact), which is why I moved abroad, but I do take exception to poeple who think Ireland is beyond criticism and people who automatically assume that, by moving abroad, I think I'm better than everyone else:
Wtf??

I do think you come across as being ashamed to be Irish also. I have not seen you say one positive thing about Ireland. I remember you specifically for that reason. I think very few people here would really think Ireland is beyond criticism. They are plenty of things that you can rightly criticise the country for - but to have it all one way traffic from one of our own so to speak can be a bit galling. Yes it is true there are a lot of bad thigns about Ireland...Ireland is expensive. It's not as well organised as Germany. The roads are f'in terrible. Portugal, a much poorer country, has far superior roads (mind you the quality of driving is dire) and a cheap and excellent train system. The biggest thing that Ireland has going for it imo are it's people, maybe not as much as in the past but I think we still are a friendly gregarious people, we also have become a much more educated and dynamic people. See, counter-balances. I wouldn't usually do these type of criticisms even though I don't think Ireland is perfect, it's just because there's plenty of our own people all too willing to put the boot in, perhaps you see it the opposite way and see not enough criticism and that's why you only say negative stuff?

Gummy Panda

Degsy wrote: »

*Fat people are jolly
*red haired people are bad tempered
*Mental people have abnormal strength
*Country people are mean,especially those from cavan
*All travellers like Elvis
*Old people are useless and moan all the time
*French women are smelly
*german women have haory armpits and are good cardplayers
*Japanese people are capable of great cruelty
*Irish people are drunkards
*Nigerians are dishonest
*canadians are boring
*Americans are loud and stupid
*truck drivers are murderers or at least,rapists
*Fat women try harder
*adult men with ponytails are sexually abnormal

That is not true.

Dudess

luckylucky wrote: »

I've even seen some mods say they hate culchies (not sure if it's even tongue-in-cheek)

That might have been me. I don't hate people who come from the country, but yes, I do hate those people who are kinda summed up by professional culchies like Hector, Pat Shortt, that Daithi tosser who does the weather (well not literally "hate" but they irk me definitely). What significance does it being said by a mod have though?

luckylucky

Dudess wrote: »

That might have been me. I don't hate people who come from the country, but yes, I do hate those people who are kinda summed up by professional culchies like Hector, Pat Shortt, that Daithi tosser who does the weather (well not literally "hate" but they irk me definitely). What significance does it being said by a mod have though?

I wasn't actually thinking of you or in fact any AH Mod. In an ideal world type forum which doesn't exist Mods would be impartial, in the real world I guess being a Mod doesn't preclude one from being as prejudiced as the next person. Hmm so yeah suppose it doesn't make a difference.

Dudess

Well moderators here are expected not to say offensive stuff, just as with members. But expressing a somewhat controversial opinion is fair game, once it's backed up.
And moderators are members outside of the forums they moderate.

Degsy

Bloody hell this thread is boring.

FlutterinBantam

Maybe you should go to hot sexxxy badaaaas XXXXX(Fill in any city you like there son,they are all the same)

Ignore people who try to dis Ireland,it's just as good and just as bad as anywhere slse.

Morag

Does every thrid thread on this place turn into people bitching about the mods ?

Sterotypes are short hand for people with sloppy thinking.

Yes
Theyre stereotypes
There must be more to life
All your life youre dreaming
And then you
Stop dreaming
From time to time you know you should be
Going on another bender

Degsy

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Maybe you should go to hot sexxxy badaaaas XXXXX(Fill in any city you like there son,they are all the same)

Ignore people who try to dis Ireland,it's just as good and just as bad as anywhere slse.

I suppose if you cant hack it in ireland you try to convince yourself that wherever you end up is better...
I had a friend who moved to london,never shut up tellling everybody how great it was and how stupid they were for staying in irelan and how he had it made and blah blah blah.
I went over to see him on my way back from france and i can safely say i've never seen a bigger kip.
You could see the sky through gaps in his bedroom ceiling,he shared the house with a bunch of arseholes and his fabulous job was nailing up signs for estate agents in all kinds of weather.
The grass is always greener on the other side untill you see it for yourself,then you have to make sure nobody else sees it and find out you're fooling yourself..

FlutterinBantam

Guess you are right there Degs,when someone tries to "big up"a place you can always be sure there is a story behind it.

That kind of crack might have worked in the 1990s when people didn't know any better,but hey, here we are in 2009 and naive punters still think anybody gives a fcuk.

I knew a guy, very talented person indeed who went to Hamburg in the 90s and kept boring us with the so called lifestyle,turns out the fcuker worked for the crowd who run the autobahns replacing burnt out bulbs in the Mway lights at night.still tried to convince everyone that he was in the centre of the universe, but we only laughed at him.

The_Minister

Degsy wrote: »

Bloody hell this thread is boring.

Wait until the right person reads my link and explodes.:D

Acacia

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Firstly, the thread about people giving out about the Irish being stereotyped as "paddies" and, in more general (if you'll pardon the paradox) with regard to alcoholism.

Then, you bring up a liberal thread as happened recently with hippies, and suddenly people are making wild guesses and labeling them "crusties" and "smelling of piss" ...

... from the same poeple who gave out about stereotyping in the first place!

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Was it the same people doing the complaining as the stereotyping?

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

In fairness, no, I don't think so, but that wasn't the point I got from that thread.
And I'm pretty sure the people who complain about the "paddy" jibe are usually the ones to moan about others.

Sorry, I'm kind of confused here, what are you getting at exactly?

I was on the thread about the ''International Irish bashing..." complaining about Irish people being called ''Paddies''. However, I try my best not to stereotype and judge people as groups, rather than individuals. In fact, a lot of the time time on boards I argue against people making generalizations... so I think you're mistaken to say '' the people who complain about the 'paddy' jibe are usually the ones to moan about others''.

Isn't it that a kind of generalization anyway?:p

Wagon

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I've noticed a rout of two kinda things on boards lately.

Stereotyping and moaning about stereotyping.

Both of these are effective techniques to getting thanks, or weeding out twats who start disagreeing with my word so i can abuse them and make myself feel better and get spanked by Javaboy. On the wrist.
And that's pretty much it really.

live2thewire

Degsy wrote: »

I suppose if you cant hack it in ireland you try to convince yourself that wherever you end up is better...
I had a friend who moved to london,never shut up tellling everybody how great it was and how stupid they were for staying in irelan and how he had it made and blah blah blah.
I went over to see him on my way back from france and i can safely say i've never seen a bigger kip.
You could see the sky through gaps in his bedroom ceiling,he shared the house with a bunch of arseholes and his fabulous job was nailing up signs for estate agents in all kinds of weather.
The grass is always greener on the other side untill you see it for yourself,then you have to make sure nobody else sees it and find out you're fooling yourself..

yes i agree so much but its natural. the way i see it if i say something bad about my hometown its not a negative on dublin or cork or galway(i.e the whole of ireland ) as these places to me are as random as paris london munich etc.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Degsy wrote: »

I suppose if you cant hack it in ireland you try to convince yourself that wherever you end up is better...
I had a friend who moved to london,never shut up tellling everybody how great it was and how stupid they were for staying in irelan and how he had it made and blah blah blah.
I went over to see him on my way back from france and i can safely say i've never seen a bigger kip.
You could see the sky through gaps in his bedroom ceiling,he shared the house with a bunch of arseholes and his fabulous job was nailing up signs for estate agents in all kinds of weather.
The grass is always greener on the other side untill you see it for yourself,then you have to make sure nobody else sees it and find out you're fooling yourself..

"Couldn't hack it"? Couldn't hack what? Not a question of ability, a question living in an artistically limited and narrow-minded society.
And before someone says this is anti-Irish, which I admit it could read, permit me to explain:
I'm a bodypainter. It requires open-minded models and involves nudity. In Ireland, it brings snide remarks and distance. Here, I get interest and volunteers. This is based on experience, not guesswork.

London, I agree, is not a place I would choose to live.

Berlin, I agree, is nor perfect. But it is open and liberal and suits someone who has artistic ambition with an alternative adge. Dublin does not do that in the same way that the Sahara doesn't do snow, but that doesn't mean everyone wants to go skiing.

luckylucky

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Not a question of ability, a question living in an artistically limited and narrow-minded society.
And before someone says this is anti-Irish, which I admit it could read, permit me to explain:
I'm a bodypainter. It requires open-minded models and involves nudity. In Ireland, it brings snide remarks and distance. Here, I get interest and volunteers. This is based on experience, not guesswork.

London, I agree, is not a place I would choose to live.

Berlin, I agree, is nor perfect. But it is open and liberal and suits someone who has artistic ambition with an alternative adge. Dublin does not do that in the same way that the Sahara doesn't do snow, but that doesn't mean everyone wants to go skiing.

I think Berlin, from the little I know and have heard about it would be a great place for the type of work you do (or for just about any type of artistic work), and definitely Dublin wouldn't be. So I can understand why you would be much happier there. There definitely isn't that level of diversity and openness in Ireland for that, but I think with a few exceptions in relatively small cities(which Dublin is in international terms) and small countries that is the norm.

FlutterinBantam

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

"Couldn't hack it"? Couldn't hack what? Not a question of ability, a question living in an artistically limited and narrow-minded society.
And before someone says this is anti-Irish, which I admit it could read, permit me to explain:
I'm a bodypainter. It requires open-minded models and involves nudity. In Ireland, it brings snide remarks and distance. Here, I get interest and volunteers. This is based on experience, not guesswork.

London, I agree, is not a place I would choose to live.

Berlin, I agree, is nor perfect. But it is open and liberal and suits someone who has artistic ambition with an alternative adge. Dublin does not do that in the same way that the Sahara doesn't do snow, but that doesn't mean everyone wants to go skiing.

Preferred Adge Cutler and the Wurzels meself to be honest.

banquo

As a racist, stereotypes make my belief system so much easier.

Terry

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Hang on - I've never said I'm ashamed to be Irish! I find Ireland to be a mostly conformist country (an opinion, not a fact), which is why I moved abroad, but I do take exception to poeple who think Ireland is beyond criticism and people who automatically assume that, by moving abroad, I think I'm better than everyone else:
Wtf??
I only did it because I cannot achieve what I want to achieve in Ireland.

You have posted before in a way that makes you seem to be ashamed to be Irish.
People can be forgiven for thinking that you are ashamed of it by those posts.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

True, that was a general opinion. There wsa one guy who tired to have me banned for daring to criticise Ireland. I know I've been anti-conservatrism, but that's me and I make no apologies for it. Anti-Ireland, possibly, in harsher times, but it's more the conservative and anti-anytihing-alternative-to-the-mainstrem aspects of it that get me. Part of me still feels that I had to move abroad rather than choosing to,

Can you PM me the details of how you know someone tried to get you banned, please?

karen3212 wrote: »

Efficient working machines, which is why I'm very surprised they still haven't caught Ikky Poo playing all hours on the internet.

That's nothing.
There was a guy posting from Germany a few months back and he was posting pics of a scalextric set up in his office. His boss was aware of it too.
It was quite an impressive track too.

Degsy wrote: »

Stereotyping has its uses and is usually based in reality anyway.
Maybe not ALL hippies stink to high heaven but MOST of them do.
Other fun stereotypes with a grain of truth:
*Fat people are jolly
*red haired people are bad tempered
*Mental people have abnormal strength
*Country people are mean,especially those from cavan
*All travellers like Elvis
*Old people are useless and moan all the time
*French women are smelly
*german women have haory armpits and are good cardplayers
*Japanese people are capable of great cruelty
*Irish people are drunkards
*Nigerians are dishonest
*canadians are boring
*Americans are loud and stupid
*truck drivers are murderers or at least,rapists
*Fat women try harder
*adult men with ponytails are sexually abnormal
and a few others....stereotypes make the world go round!

That's complete and utter ****ing bollix.
As a red head I can't ****ing tell you how pissed off that mother****ing cuntbag of a stereotype pisses me off...
Wait...
Dude has a good point.

luckylucky wrote: »

I wasn't actually thinking of you or in fact any AH Mod. In an ideal world type forum which doesn't exist Mods would be impartial, in the real world I guess being a Mod doesn't preclude one from being as prejudiced as the next person. Hmm so yeah suppose it doesn't make a difference.

Dudess wrote: »

Well moderators here are expected not to say offensive stuff, just as with members. But expressing a somewhat controversial opinion is fair game, once it's backed up.
And moderators are members outside of the forums they moderate.

See attachments for proof that mods are only mods in the forums listed in the mini profile thingy on the left.

The first one shows that I can ban Dudess from AH.
The second one shows what happens when I try to ban javaboy from AH.