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Wrestlemania 25 (Spoilers, Rumours, Speculation, News)

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    CM Punk wins MITB
    Undertaker wins
    JBL stops wrestling
    HHH and Cena champs
    Hardy vs Hardy = meh

    anyone else getting deja vu from this mania


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Jolt2007


    I'll admit this much, it was far better than I expected just for HBK/Taker alone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭overexcitedaj


    well seeing as im up in about 2 hours im off too bed. good company had here if nothing else.
    Oh but staying up was worth it for the HBK match. the rest :(
    Night


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    Ugh, main event sucked badly.
    2 title matches and Cena and HHH win them both, I mean seriously

    That was a pale shadow over my favourite Wrestlemania of all time which was held in the same arena in 2001. It reminded me of Wrestlemania 21 where the real main event involved Shawn Michaels(then versus Kurt Angle) and the title matches were irrelevant. Naturally Cena and HHH were involved in both then as well....
    But none the less it was worth it for that 1 match. Utterly epic. So hats off to Taker and Michaels.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭OrtonViper


    At leat I'm 100 per cent sure Orton will win at Backlash or even before then.

    Uterly dreadfull ppv bar HBK vs. Taker.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    ShawnRaven wrote: »
    Sh*t man, you've been lurking for ages, you need to post more :D

    This show is not going to make me return :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    cooker3 wrote: »
    This show is not going to make me return :(

    To be fair, i wouldn't blame you.
    That said, we talk about more than current stuff that's being shoved down our throats every week.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 16,256 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    HBK/Taker MOTN followed by Hardy vs Hardy , MITB . Legends. Last match was a serious let down , i was hoping when HHH was hitting Orton on the ground i was just praying the ref would DQ him so Orton would win :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    I can't say I was let down by the PPV, for one reason and one reason only.
    I wasn't expecting much in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    CM Punk wins MITB
    Undertaker wins
    JBL stops wrestling
    HHH and Cena champs
    Hardy vs Hardy = meh

    anyone else getting deja vu from this mania

    But we got Kid Rock and some minger from the Pussicat Dolls:pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    But we got Kid Rock and some minger from the Pussicat Dolls:pac:

    I laughed :)


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 16,256 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    ShawnRaven wrote: »
    I laughed :)

    I actually went for a pee when she was singing , just to make sure the tank was pretty empty before it started. Then the minute the MITB ending had to run over to my friends house and grab my phone but didnt miss anything :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    I actually went for a pee when she was singing , just to make sure the tank was pretty empty before it started. Then the minute the MITB ending had to run over to my friends house and grab my phone but didnt miss anything :)

    As i said earlier, over the years, she actually had a better voice for it than most of the yokes they had singing America The Beautiful (Gladys Knight, Jamelia, Robin Smith and Little Richard spring to mind).

    But once MITB was first match on, i went straight for the JD. lol


  • Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just watched it. Wasn't hugely impressed.


    Absolutely f*cking thrilled for Punk! I was hoping he'd win it, but thought they'd go with Christian. Delighted for him.

    Kid rock sucked the life out of the event with his bullsh*t. I'd have much preferred 25 individual diva entrances. Santino wasn't funny at all.

    No tag match to unify the belts?

    MITB was great. Hardy/Hardy was OK. Not great, not terrible. Matt's new ring attire is pretty cool.

    Triple Threat sucked. Mickey Rourke, an old has been killed chris Jericho with one punch on wrestling's biggest night of the year. Does vince have any idea how bad that makes his company look?

    Triple/Orton was mediocre at best. Commentary was hilarious though. Some of my favourites:

    Cole: "The referee is a human"

    JR: "He has got im in a mentally dominant position"

    Cole: "Randy Orton; His moves are intentional"

    JR: "This could have effects on Randy Orton that could prove devastating, from a mental stand point"

    Not to mention the over-use of the words "counter" and "ironic". They didn't even say "reversal". Just counter the whole time. Terrible stuff. If i had a shot gun i'd have finished JR off myself. It scares me to think that he and Lawler will likely be RAW again after the draft.


    JBL quit? would retire not have been a better choice of words there? I wonder how many people found Rey's "joker" mask offensive. Surely Batman would have been a better choice?



    At the risk of sounding like a 7 year old, i'd have 'marked out' really hard if Punk's theme came on just after H pinned Orton and he nailed H in the back of the head with the suitcase, cashed the MITB and celebrated his sweet, sweet victory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    Here's what i find hilarious.
    People knew the card wasn't up to scratch and that it was going to be basically a one match card. Knowing this for weeks prior to the show.

    And still, they're unhappy with it. Ok, opinions are opinions and each gets respected.
    But at the same time, none you can honestly say that you didn't see this coming?

    Anyone?


  • Posts: 15,055 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    in fairness, MITB is usually an awesome match (albeit a spot-fest, but hugely entertaining nonetheless).

    I expected the Hardons would have been bouncing all over the arena, too. Considering its WM25, i thought H and Orton would have went full throttle non-stop and gave us one of those amazing matches we rarely see from either. Benoit, HBK and HHH still own the greatest mania 3-way. I was neither happy or upset with the Cena/Show/Edge match. It was exactly what i expected it to be. thought the diva match would have been better, and assumed there'd be some funny/ridiculous/interesting backstage segments through the show. Jericho got a raw deal. We all knew his match would suck hard when it was announced. No doubt he did the best with what he was given, but it was never gonna be a "great" match.

    Kid Rock ruined it for me. far too long. Ruined the buzz of the event. had they started it off slowly with the tag match, then moved to the hardys, then divas then MITB it would have been a smooth opening.


    I agree with what you're saying though. HBK/Taker stole the show before it even started. I was just expecting more from some of the people on the card. I don't particularly like H, but he's had some good matches, and i thought he and orton would have had a much better match than what they did have.



    Oh, and Cena's entrance was hilariously bad.

    Im wrecked. Im going to bed. Night all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,097 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    to be honest i wasn't disappointed at all. i was watching this wrestlemania mainly for the undertaker and hbk match, as i grew up watching these two wrestle and was delighted to see one last feud between them culminate on the grandest stage of them all. bias aside, i knew they would deliver once again - even with their decrepit bodies.:p Still, it doesn't augur well for the future of wwe wrestling when two forty-plus men with broken down bodies steal the show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    to be honest i wasn't disappointed at all. i was watching this wrestlemania mainly for the undertaker and hbk match, as i grew up watching these two wrestle and was delighted to see one last feud between them culminate on the grandest stage of them all. bias aside, i knew they would deliver once again - even with their decrepit bodies.:p Still, it doesn't augur well for the future of wwe wrestling when two forty-plus men with broken down bodies steal the show.

    That was bound to steal the show though, especially as they'd pretty much had unfinished business since 1998.

    I don't care what anyone says, Steamboat's performance was close second! For a guy who turns 57 in two months time, he outshone most of the card that was on that PPV! As i said earlier in the thread, to me, that was a show stealer from a biased perspective as to me, that was Vince's way of saying "Sorry we f*cked you over when you wanted to take time off while your wife was pregnant, 22 years ago, you can still give an awesome performance, off you go!". Because his 1991 run was rather indignant too.

    Yeah, i admit, i nearly cried in my drink, sue me! :D

    Finally before i go to bed, again, i just wanna thank everyone who was reading and contribiuting to the thread pre, and during the four hours. I counted almost 70 people reading at one time. Last time i saw numbers like that was on After Hours on a bad day! So that was nice.

    Right, i need sleep otherwise i'm gonna be screwed for college tomorrow :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    was i the only one that actually kind of enjoyed kid rocks performance? thaught he put on a good show, it was better than most of the fcukin sh!te we had to watch tonight!

    i really do feel sorry for people who (imo) wasted a rediculous amount of money on the trip!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,602 ✭✭✭✭ShawnRaven


    was i the only one that actually kind of enjoyed kid rocks performance? thaught he put on a good show, it was better than most of the fcukin sh!te we had to watch tonight!

    Ok let's hammer the point back home a sec, my friend.
    Did we tune in to Wrestle f*ckin' Mania? Or the MTV 2 late night gig? Because if you tuned into the latter, it's not much of a wonder that you're not disappointed.
    i really do feel sorry for people who (imo) wasted a rediculous amount of money on the trip!

    And in the midst of recession Ireland too.
    Meh, my wedding is still going ahead at the end of the year, I'm happy anyway! :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,891 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    didn't see it, but read the results this morning. massively disappointed with the results.

    Punk winning the MITB again? Why, they screwed it up last time, why would this time be any different? Santina? FOFF!!

    As for the Orton/HHH match.... they could have kept the story going with an Orton win, but nooooooooooooo, HHH had to win, which imo buries the story line, and makes crap of the excellent performances from Orton recently. Really, REALLY annoyed by that result.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 16,256 Mod ✭✭✭✭Furious-Red


    ShawnRaven wrote: »

    I don't care what anyone says, Steamboat's performance was close second! For a guy who turns 57 in two months time, he outshone most of the card that was on that PPV! As i said earlier in the thread, to me, that was a show stealer from a biased perspective as to me, that was Vince's way of saying "Sorry we f*cked you over when you wanted to take time off while your wife was pregnant, 22 years ago, you can still give an awesome performance, off you go!". Because his 1991 run was rather indignant too.

    Yeah, i admit, i nearly cried in my drink, sue me! :D
    Totally agree with you about Steamboat me and my friend were so suprised that he could still move around and fly at his age he earned my respect last night. I thought the legends match would be terrible but when Steamboat was tagged in things picked up. I didnt no it was a elimination type match so when i seen Snuka tap out i was like thats way to quick to end the match.

    Also anyone notice during the Hardy match 1 of the commentators were talking about the Hardy Boyz as a team and they said "They have teamed up and won at Wrestlemania2 but IIRC they never won a match at wrestlemania didnt they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    ShawnRaven wrote: »
    That was bound to steal the show though, especially as they'd pretty much had unfinished business since 1998.

    I don't care what anyone says, Steamboat's performance was close second! For a guy who turns 57 in two months time, he outshone most of the card that was on that PPV! As i said earlier in the thread, to me, that was a show stealer from a biased perspective as to me, that was Vince's way of saying "Sorry we f*cked you over when you wanted to take time off while your wife was pregnant, 22 years ago, you can still give an awesome performance, off you go!". Because his 1991 run was rather indignant too.

    Yeah, i admit, i nearly cried in my drink, sue me! :D

    Was too knackered to come on here last night but Steamboat shocked everony I think with his performance, while me and my cousin were watching it we were saying "jesus he can still do it" , nice pop from the crowd for the (still perfect) armdrags.

    Hated the Orton/HHH match, absolutely killed the crowd, did you see people actually running for the exits once it ended? cant believe that was the main event of Wrestlemania, no big moment or angle or anything, and why on earth was HHH slowly wearing Orton down, he should have just ran into the ring, chucked the title belt at him and started pounding him senseless instead of trying to wrestle him, there also seemed to be something going on in the crowd about halfway though, you could hear a big reaction to something and everyone in the first few rows were looking over to the other side of the arena, maybe anyone on here who was there can shed some light on this?


    Undertaker v Shawn Michaels: 2 guys in their 40s show the entire roster up and put on a class of how a Wrestlemania match is supposed to go down, an absolute, 5 star, stone cold classic match.
    Its been a very, very long time since a match had me screaming at the tv and standing out of my chair but this did it in spades, Im a Shawn fan and the guy i was watching with is a Taker mark, so the back and forth action and god knows how many 2 counts had me riveted, Shawn looked to have seriously hurt himself in the moonsault to the outside spot and then Taker comes along and basically dives headfirst into the ground, a sick spot, the replays showed just how close Taker was to breaking his neck.

    Thought the match would be stopped but it went one for another 15 minutes or so, Shawn kicking out of the tombstone, with arms crossed and takers tongue out shocked EVERYONE in that arena, once the finale hit and Taker went 17-0 the crowd were at fever pitch for this and the 2 guys earned their place in Wrestlemania history, this is a serious contender for the greatest Wrestlemania match of all time.


    Overall a solid but not amazing show, MITB was a spotfest but entertaining, Santino, sorry Santina is a legend, Steamboat pulled off a miracle, Hardys was ok but nothing spectacular, the 3 way was dull, ditto the main event, Taker and HBk tore the house down as was expected


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Cactus Col


    Absolutely knackered. But shag it, thought instead of doing actual work I'd put in my ratings for last nights event:

    Money in the Bank Ladder Match: CM Punk vs. Kane vs. Mark Henry vs. MVP vs. Shelton Benjamin vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Christian vs. Finlay


    Decent match, a few blown spots, Kingston certainly came out looking well, disappointing finish.

    **1/2 (2 and a half stars out of 5)


    25-Diva "Miss WrestleMania" Battle Royal


    25 was at least 5 too many. Very messy, no real idea who's in, not enough time spent on Molly Holly.

    *

    Chris Jericho vs. Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka, Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat and Rowdy Roddy Piper (w/Ric Flair)

    As good a match as this could possibly be. Steamboat came out looking good. Piper kept his tshirt on (thank goodness). Stuff with Rourke after was underwhelming and I would say detracted from the segment. Should have gone on after HBK v Taker as a way of cooling the crowd off before the main events.


    **


    Extreme Rules Match: Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy
    Decent match, a bit too short, and a lack of story telling / psychology. An extra 5 minutes would have improved the match.

    ***

    IC Title Match: JBL © vs. Rey Mysterio

    Rey comes out as Lucha Doink. JBL delivers great big boot prior to match. Mysterio gets up and wins. It was over quicker than you read this sentance.

    *

    The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels


    I have a feeling Michaels will get most of the plaudits for this match, but taker certainly deserves his share too. The GREATEST big man in pro wrestling history vs arguably the GREATEST all round wrestler ever. This match didn't have the best of build ups, but the match certainly made up for it. Halfway through the match all bets were off on who was going to win. Match of the night

    *****

    World Title Match: Edge © vs. The Big Show vs. John Cena
    Challengers should come out first, Champion last. About as good a match as these three could have in a triple threat. A singles match would probably have resulted in a better match, but for what it's worth, this was decent, but nothing special. Would have been very acceptable at any other ppv. But at wrestlemania, following an instant classic, it suffered.

    ***

    WWE Title Match: HHH © vs. Randy Orton

    Challenger out first in this one. Again, decent match. Still reeling from the highs of the Taker / HBK match, this felt a bit subdued. Belt can be won on DQ or Count out. Wrong winner.

    ***


    Overall I enjoyed it. Worth the money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,600 ✭✭✭✭CMpunked


    My opinion of the night was that even though a lot of people have jumped on the bandwagon of slating this show.
    I honestly didnt think it was one of the worst manias ever.

    From a WM standpoint it had everything that meant it wasnt going to be that great, but they pulled a few things out which was quite good:

    So they booted the Tag match to be a "dvd extra".
    Good idea, gives people another reason to buy the dvd i guess.

    Which would lead me to believe that is why Kid Rocks performance lasted so long.
    I remember reading premania he was going to be playing 3 songs maximum.Batiwaba, Cowboy and So hott. So maybe to fill time that they gained from the Tag match being taken off the card they gave him an extra song.

    And it made the divas match a little easier to watch seeing as i didnt have to sit through each one of them come out.

    MITB was pretty decent, had low expectations for it to be honest i quite enjoyed it, great originality at points.

    When Henry struggled to get up the turnbuckle i had to ask "How the fcuk is he going to get up the ladder?!"

    Glad Punk won in a way because i hope it could lead into a him v christian fued.
    Gawd, the crowd was on fire when Chrisian was going up that ladder!If that doesnt make people realise how over he really is then vince really does not like him!

    Hardy v Hardy was decent. Fair dues to Matt for turning the notch up on his in ring ability to be a heel.

    When he was walking out my little brother brilliantly pointed out that he must have shopped and had his hair done in the same place as edges :p.

    Taker v HBK was one of the best matches i have seen in a while.
    A long while.
    Everytime someone kicked out i marked out like a 10 year old.

    At one point i said, this is stupid, we will know when the finish is when taker tombstones HBK and does the tongue pin thing, a few seconds later when he went for it i said "See, this is how the always end it".
    No sooner then i finshed saying that, Michaels kicked and i honestly thought he was going to win then.
    Taker will not have a better mania match than that one, so i thought it would end.

    The title matches just bored me.
    Mainly because we have seen all them before. Cena v Show was done way too much back when it was for the US and the same with Edge, so it was destent that nothing new would happen.

    And as for HHH v Orton i think when we didnt see that there was no McMahon heel turn, it only made sense to have HHH go over to keep the fued going by having shane or steph turn now rather than last night.


    One last thing, Wasnt it advertised on Raw a few weeks ago that the night after Mania would be the Draft?....
    Wonder why that changed....
    Triple Threat sucked. Mickey Rourke, an old has been killed chris Jericho with one punch on wrestling's biggest night of the year. Does vince have any idea how bad that makes his company look?
    .

    From a Media standpoint it was needed.
    If that shot gets as much coverage as Mickey did going into mania then the WWE and Mickey Rourke will be very happy financially.

    But its not as if Mickey Rourke is just an actor either, he was a decent boxer in the 90s who was never defeated and was capable of knocking someone out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭michael.etc...


    My opinion of the night was that even though a lot of people have jumped on the bandwagon of slating this show.
    I honestly didnt think it was one of the worst manias ever.
    From a WM standpoint it had everything that meant it wasnt going to be that great, but they pulled a few things out which was quite good:
    So they booted the Tag match to be a "dvd extra".
    Good idea, gives people another reason to buy the dvd i guess.
    Which would lead me to believe that is why Kid Rocks performance lasted so long.
    I remember reading premania he was going to be playing 3 songs maximum.Batiwaba, Cowboy and So hott. So maybe to fill time that they gained from the Tag match being taken off the card they gave him an extra song.
    And it made the divas match a little easier to watch seeing as i didnt have to sit through each one of them come out.

    I have to say, i agree with alot of your post mate, but I completely disagree with the first few things you've said.

    Firstly, I don't think it's fair to say that slating the show makes you a bandwagon jumper, of any sort- isn't it possible that alot of people just didn't feel satisfied with the overall show, and that's their honest opinion? I'm one of them.. i enjoyed alot of stuff, but there was enough bad decisions and flat matches that I felt disappointed- it didn't feel like a Wrestlemania to me.

    Also, they didn't boot the tag match of the Main Card, to make it a DVD extra-it was purely a time thing, and realistically, I'm sure most of us are going to be buying the DVD for Michaels/Taker.

    And as far as the women's match goes- the worst part about it in my eyes, was that they didn't do the entrances! Surely there's no point whatsoever in bringing back all these former stars, have them just blend into the crowd, and eliminated in a horrible cluster****, and not even do their entrances! They didn't even announce each individual women. It was pretty disgraceful. My friends and I would have taken less Kid Rock, and at least allowed for the women to get their entrances, and a pop.

    Anyways, I also enjoyed Taker/HBK and Money in the Bank, and I'm glad you felt you got your money's worth!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭JP Liz


    Lillian would have better singing than Nicole PCD

    Every year Shelton Benjamin is great in MITB but never wins - i'm disappointed CM Punk won again i was hoping for MVP or Christian win

    I'm glad Taker won (17-0 :D)

    HHH winning :confused: surely his feud with Orton isnt over

    Is this the first year the RR winner hasnt won at WM? I cant remember it happening before


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    JP Liz wrote: »
    Lillian would have better singing than Nicole PCD

    Every year Shelton Benjamin is great in MITB but never wins - i'm disappointed CM Punk won again i was hoping for MVP or Christian win

    I'm glad Taker won (17-0 :D)

    HHH winning :confused: surely his feud with Orton isnt over

    Is this the first year the RR winner hasnt won at WM? I cant remember it happening before

    Cena last year won the rumble but was pinned in the triple threat and Rock in 200 lost his Mania match, are two that spring to my mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,498 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    after the dust has settled on the night before i think we will all agree it wasn't the worst mania ever (that title belongs to WM2, 4, 5, 9 or 11) and it wasn't the best mania ever either

    undertaker/hbk was the best wwe(f) match since well undertaker/hbk at badd blood in 1997 :D it had everything, fantastic storytelling, psychology, crowd heat; 31 minutes of pure brilliance, young kids getting into the business today should be made to watch this match on day 1 of their training. i would give this match 5 stars, best mania match imo since austin/bret at WM13.

    MITB was probably the poorest one so far but despite the botches (and botches in ladder matches are to be expected btw) it was still a very solid opener

    divas battle royale and rey/jbl were duds, steamboats performance saved the legends matches from being another dud. jeff and matt was decent but too short, they need to take a lesson or two about storytelling and psychology from hbk though.

    the triple threat was far too short as well, enjoyable though while it lasted, people are s**ting on this match i expect because cena won and because it followed taker/michaels. i don't understand what they are trying to achieve with cena, having him job clean nearly every week to winning titles. ffs either stop giving edge the belt or give him a run, these hot potato runs p*ss me off

    HHH/orton was 20 mins of slow-motion, this is the same match HHH has put on for the last 7 years, sometimes people like cena/jeff hardy manage to get him interested. again i suspect people are s**ting on this because HHH won, i thought it was ok, i can't believe some here (alot of people reading other forums and wrestling observer) thought orton had a chance, i have no problem with HHH winning, orton flatters to deceive imo, he is like watching undertaker in 1991 except slower :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,498 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Cena last year won the rumble but was pinned in the triple threat and Rock in 200 lost his Mania match, are two that spring to my mind.

    1999 royal rumble winner vinny mac never even made it to mania he lost at valentines day massacre to austin


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