david bourke gets life

arybvtcw0eolkf · 31-03-2009 03:52PM

I think he'll have this reduced to man slaughter on appeal.

Even the judge in the case called the barrister from the DPP's office to his chambers to ask why a murder charge was preferred against this guy.

Given the level of provacation if this was a Mrs Bourke on trial I think we would have seen a different charge & verdict.

I'm not excusing the man's actions, but he was obviously in a derranged state of mind.

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walshb · 31-03-2009 04:05PM

Provocation?

Why is it that we are so damn quick
to defend the actions of these killers?

How about sympathy for the victim. He is not the victim
here. He is the killer and he chose to ram a knife
not once or twice or three times, but four times into
this woman, and we are saying provocation is the possible
reason?

So, she didn't love him, had another man, and that's enough
provocation to stab here to death?:rolleyes:

He's a killer, plain and simple!

Mad, bad, evil, deranged, psychotic etc etc.
This cannot excuse it at all

Dyr · 31-03-2009 04:31PM

Losing your temper does not equal losing your mind

he stabbed his missus three times in front of their kids...did he just happen to have a steak knife in his hand when when he went radio rental? f**k him and his state of mind he deserves the murder conviction, he'll probably only do eight years anyway knowing our prison system.

Sean Quagmire · 31-03-2009 04:31PM

walshb wrote: »

So, she didn't love him, had another man, and that's enough
provocation to stab here to death?:rolleyes:

He's a killer, plain and simple!

Mad, bad, evil, deranged, psychotic etc etc.
This cannot excuse it at all

To be honest I have more sympothy for him. He did'nt want this and no matter when he gets out he will never be the same again.

I think he just had a flash of pent up fear and agression. some people here might know the feeling of being picked on constantly then snapping and punching that person. its an out of body thing. I think the same thing happened him on a much bigger scale because of how life altering it was that this woman was doing to him.

I hope he gets out soon. Seeing the 'lover' in the paper only backs up how I feel for the chap. You dont need a killers streak to be pushed way passed breaking point.

walshb · 31-03-2009 04:47PM

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

To be honest I have more sympothy for him. He did'nt want this and no matter when he gets out he will never be the same again.

I think he just had a flash of pent up fear and agression. some people here might know the feeling of being picked on constantly then snapping and punching that person. its an out of body thing. I think the same thing happened him on a much bigger scale because of how life altering it was that this woman was doing to him.

I hope he gets out soon. Seeing the 'lover' in the paper only backs up how I feel for the chap. You dont need a killers streak to be pushed way passed breaking point.

I know well he was on edge and feeling real hurt and down; so ****ing what.
Does that mean society should simply have the attitude, "Well, sure he wasn't feelin' the best, no wonder he did it, he'll be okay after a while."

I tell you what, I wouldn't like to be near him when he isn't feeling well! Society needs to be protected against his likes, no matter what his problem is, why shoud we risk our lives for him?

Lock him up, treat him, but don't allow a murderer out to MAYBE again, have a "bad" day!

What if it was your relative or when he got out and met another woman and it
didn't work out? What then? Do we hope he doesn't flip out.

Simple question: Would you be grand if he got out and started
dating your daughter or sister or someone real close to you?
Or would you just HOPE
he doesn't have a bad day and that all goes well with their
relationship?

GirlInterrupted · 31-03-2009 04:50PM

teresa2008 wrote: »

How long is a life term??? he'll be joining the likes of that scum bag gerard barry.....wouldnt fancy that!

I think, since he repeated stabbed his wife to death, in the presence of their small children, who pleaded with their father to stop hurting their mother, that we can assume he wasn't a terribly nice person either.

Irlbo · 31-03-2009 05:08PM

Ths 'victim' here is no victim in my opinion,I have read into the story and this is what I have gathered,David Bourke was a man who walked hard,and gave his family a good life,he loved his wife and kids,his wife who was provided with a good life and love by her husband,embarked on an affair with some loser,and openly had a sexual and emotional relationship with this man,using her husbands funds to keep him sweet and their torrid affair going,the husband stood firm depite humilation and tried to keep his marriage and his wife,only to told be her she is leaving him and never loved him..............................................come on,can any of you here say that this wouldnt crush you and make you extremely angry,I cant blame this man for what he did,it was the wifes fault,and now shes dead because of it

walshb · 31-03-2009 05:11PM

I'd hate to think you would ever serve on a jury with this attitude.

Wow, the wife deserved it for not loving the man!:rolleyes:

Holsten · 31-03-2009 05:16PM

Straight murder, he should be put to death.

spank_inferno · 31-03-2009 05:26PM

well as Ireland doesnt have the death penalty.........

If he appeals the sentence he could be re-trialed perhaps with the lower sentence of Manslaughter applying instead?
Time will tell.

If my wife was cheating on me I wouldnt kill her.
I'd make it my mission that the whole town knows what a cheating skank she is. (hypotheticaly :pac: )

Aseth · 31-03-2009 06:15PM

walshb wrote: »

I'd hate to think you would ever serve on a jury with this attitude.

Wow, the wife deserved it for not loving the man!:rolleyes:

Afaik(and again I'm not trying to say killing someone is good or justified) when you're getting married it's not by strike of fancy or being in a mood. It's because you want to be with that person. If she didn't love her husband than why marry? Or maybe she just needed sp3rm donor although from what I read she didn't care for the poor things either(she only wanted to keep the house).
So sorry for being cynical but for me it's a case of a man who was provoked by ******, ******* cow who didn't have enough decency and respect for her husband and children to file for divorce. Really and honestly...

Stev_o · 31-03-2009 06:53PM

walshb wrote: »

Provocation?

Why is it that we are so damn quick
to defend the actions of these killers?

How about sympathy for the victim. He is not the victim
here. He is the killer and he chose to ram a knife
not once or twice or three times, but four times into
this woman, and we are saying provocation is the possible
reason?

So, she didn't love him, had another man, and that's enough
provocation to stab here to death?:rolleyes:

He's a killer, plain and simple!

Mad, bad, evil, deranged, psychotic etc etc.
This cannot excuse it at all

20 years ago the Church would of said fair play to him and said that she will rot in hell for adultery. 100 years ago and a mob would of easily banished her or killed her also. Am i condoning murder? No. But let's be realistic here if she didn't have a affair in such a manner would he have gone on to kill her? More so if he's a all the things you'v listed why hasn't he killed before. He gets 25 or so years while some scummer has gone around Dublin knifiing she innocent bystanders in the face for no reason and gets only 5 and will be out after 2 and will more then likely end up killing someone or continuing on his run of 31 convictions. I don't see the justice here.

walshb · 31-03-2009 07:04PM

Yeah, well this isn't 100 years ago is it.

Hey, maybe I'm the weird one, but how anyone can sympathise with a man
who plunges a knife into his wife 4 times in front of her two
children, depriving them of a mother in this way is beyond me.

Oh, but she did deserve it because not loving someone and having an
affair is punishable by death.:rolleyes: One of those knife wounds was 6 inches deep.

He withdrew the knife twice and plunged it back in.

Again, if some folks think this isn't all that bad, then this country really
is in a mess!

pierrot · 31-03-2009 07:07PM

Maybe one for the legal discussion, but given my limited knowledge of the facts and of the irish penal (tee hee) system, i can't see how that is a murder conviction. Any lawyers out there?

walshb · 31-03-2009 07:08PM

The worst part is that apparently the judge didn't see how a murder charge should have been brought. The guy arms himself with a knife and stabs
his wife to death in full view of two young children and this what a judge has to say. He's probably one of these kinky judges that dosn't live in the real world

walshb · 31-03-2009 07:10PM

pierrot wrote: »

Maybe one for the legal discussion, but given my limited knowledge of the facts and of the irish penal (tee hee) system, i can't see how that is a murder conviction. Any lawyers out there?

Are you serious?

Why not?

Did you read up on the case?

Stev_o · 31-03-2009 07:19PM

walshb wrote: »

Yeah, well this isn't 100 years ago is it.

Hey, maybe I'm the weird one, but how anyone can sympathise with a man
who plunges a knife into his wife 4 times in front of her two
children, depriving them of a mother in this way is beyond me.

Oh, but she did deserve it because not loving someone and having an
affair is punishable by death.:rolleyes: One of those knife wounds was 6 inches deep.

He withdrew the knife twice and plunged it back in.

Again, if some folks think this isn't all that bad, then this country really
is in a mess!

Make sure in the future (or present) to tell your life long partner after you are married happily with 3 kids for 13 years that it is perfectly fine for her/him to have a affair and that you'd be fine after they told you that they wanted a divorce and want you out of the house. Also say it's grand that they ll win custody of the kids and that it's perfectly reasonable to bring their love back to your home to do what ever they want when your out at work. Just make sure to say you won't be back before 6 to make sure you don't catch them in your bed.

Seriously if that all happened would you be fine with that? Are you honestly saying that you'd shrug it off and say oh well im only 43 plenty of fish left in the pod, those 3 kids were brats anyway. Id be amazed if you would be fine with it.

cotwold · 31-03-2009 07:27PM

walshb wrote: »

Again, if some folks think this isn't all that bad, then this country really
is in a mess!

It was never a question of whether it was bad or not. It was bad. It was a question of whether he was or was not in control of himself when he killed his wife. Personally i believe he wasn't.

walshb · 31-03-2009 07:29PM

Stev_o wrote: »

Make sure in the future (or present) to tell your life long partner after you are married happily with 3 kids for 13 years that it is perfectly fine for her/him to have a affair and that you'd be fine after they told you that they wanted a divorce and want you out of the house. Also say it's grand that they ll win custody of the kids and that it's perfectly reasonable to bring their love back to your home to do what ever they want when your out at work. Just make sure to say you won't be back before 6 to make sure you don't catch them in your bed.

Seriously if that all happened would you be fine with that? Are you honestly saying that you'd shrug it off and say oh well im only 43 plenty of fish left in the pod, those 3 kids were brats anyway. Id be amazed if you would be fine with it.

Steve, are you honestly trying to justify this and make out she almost deserved it?

If that's the case, how he hell would any murder charge stick. There would always be an excuse for justification.

Does the fact that this man rammed a knife into her in full view of
her two children have ZERO affect on you?

I know well the man was on edge, in despair, despearte etc; but how you
can say that this justifies or lesens what he did to
that woman is plain off the wall; with all due respect Steve.

BTW, No, I wouldn't be fine with it, nor would any man. That's not the issue.
The issue is the mans actions and response to a woman who simply
didn't love him.

What crime did she commit?

What did she do to desreve to be butchered in front
of her two kids?

walshb · 31-03-2009 07:32PM

cotwold wrote: »

It was never a question of whether it was bad or not. It was bad. It was a question of whether he was or was not in control of himself when he killed his wife. Personally i believe he wasn't.

Okay, he wasn't in control, does that mean he deserves sympathy?

Does that mean society should have to hold their breaths every time
some killer is "not in control?":rolleyes:

I don't get it, far too much sympathy is being heaped
upon thieves and rapists and murderers and far too many
excuses are made for their despicable crimes.
He is a cold blooded killer and no excuses can
defend him

JJJJNR · 31-03-2009 07:37PM

He told someone he was going to kill her, and he did, thats it. CASE CLOSED. It was a premeditated murder. Did he think of his little babies when he stabbed her 4 times.

Main thing here is that the kids are ok, I felt so sorry for them honestly, they dont deserve this at all. I hope they have some good family that will look after them in the long run and not turf them out on the streets when they turn 18.

The only winner here is the guy from the UK, he's able to pick up his life and carry on as if nothing has happened..

IF YOU ARE WATCHING YOU ARE SCUM OF THE EARTH.

walshb · 31-03-2009 07:39PM

JJJJNR wrote: »

He told someone he was going to kill her, and he did, thats it. CASE CLOSED. It was a premeditated murder. Did he think of his little babies when he stabbed her 4 times.

Main thing here is that the kids are ok, I felt so sorry for them honestly, they dont deserve this at all. I hope they have some good family that will look after them in the long run and not turf them out on the streets when they turn 18.

The only winner here is the guy from the UK, he's able to pick up his life and carry on as if nothing has happened..

IF YOU ARE WATCHING YOU ARE SCUM OF THE EARTH.

I agree with almost all of the post; but the scum is Mr Bourke in all of this.
He butchered a woman and and took a mother from her children.

Campion didn't kill her, Bourke did!

cotwold · 31-03-2009 07:40PM

walshb wrote: »

Okay, he wasn't in control, does that mean he deserves sympathy?

No it means that he's deserves manslaughter.

walshb wrote: »

He is a cold blooded killer and no excuses can
defend him

He's not a cold blooded killer, he didn't commit the act callously. I think you need a little more compassion. I recognise what he did and he is going to pay for that under the hands of justice. However I also have to recognise that his life is over, his childrens lives are scarred and so too are those of their family so all of them need our compassion.

pierrot · 31-03-2009 07:41PM

I'm not saying he deserves anything, my point is that from a legal point of view, the murder conviction mightn't stick and i could well see the conviction being downgraded on appeal. Are you a lawyer?
On a personal note, i agree with you (walshb) btw.

walshb · 31-03-2009 07:44PM

cotwold wrote: »

No it means that he's deserves manslaughter.

He's not a cold blooded killer, he didn't commit the act callously. I think you need a little more compassion. I recognise what he did and he is going to pay for that under the hands of justice. However I also have to recognise that his life is over, his childrens lives are scarred and so too are those of their family so all of them need our compassion.

You obviously do not understand what manslaughter is.
It can be quite ambiguous

Mental people aren't in control at times and can still be convicted
of murder.

BTW, his life isn't over. He lives mate. His life is still here.

The only life gone is hers and he took it and all the excuses are crap.
He was sad, he was mad, he was shook, he was this, that or the
other; bottom line is that he wasn't all that "gone" that he still had
the bearings to arm himself with a knife and destroy a life.

I aint lacking in compassion one bit. You are simply
excusing a filthy butcher

walshb · 31-03-2009 07:48PM

pierrot wrote: »

I'm not saying he deserves anything, my point is that from a legal point of view, the murder conviction mightn't stick and i could well see the conviction being downgraded on appeal. Are you a lawyer?
On a personal note, i agree with you (walshb) btw.

Hello, the Gardai pushed for the charge and the DPP acceppted it and for a judge to then question this is a disgrace. The judge should be impartial in a trial.
BTW, it's lucky the judges view wasn't heard by the jurors

Persoanally to me, it was an open and shut case.

He knowingly took a knife and deliberately stabbed his wife, not once, but
4 times.

Now, this country is so screwed up tha there have been cases where
folks have stabbed other up to 100 times and still a manslaughter charge
was awarded. The system stinks

cotwold · 31-03-2009 07:53PM

walshb wrote: »

You obviously do not understand what manslaughter is.

I would hope so as law is my chosen profession.

walshb wrote: »

Mental people aren't in control at tmes and can still be convicted
of murder.

Yes if the prosecution establish mens rea for the act.

walshb wrote: »

BTW, his life isn't over. He lives mate. His life is still here.

The only life gone is hers and he took it and all the excuses are crap.
He was sad, he was mad, he was shook, he was this, that or the
other; bottom line is that he wasn't all that "gone" that he still had
the bearings to arm himself with a knife and destroy a life.

No i sat in that court room and it was quite apparent that his life is over. He will never reconcile himself with what he did. I think you're looking at this in very black and white terms and without sufficient knowledge of jurisprudence or the case. How can you not have compassion for someone who was driven so far, are you confident that it would never happen to you.

walshb wrote: »

I aint lacking in compassion one bit. You are simply
excusing a filthy butcher

I'm not excusing anyone, he admitted to killing his wife and he will serve his time.

Barname · 31-03-2009 08:09PM

walshb wrote: »

I agree with almost all of the post; but the scum is Mr Bourke in all of this.
He butchered a woman and and took a mother from her children.

Campion didn't kill her, Bourke did!

walshb = campion the creepy loser?

I can understand Mr. Bourkes actions.

I have read about his wife, some piece of work, even females I have discussed the case with have determined that Mr Bourke should have been convicted of manslaughter.

All good mothers are disgusted by the sneaky greedy ways of his wife.

walshb · 31-03-2009 08:10PM

Let us be clear here, my compassion and sympathy lies
firmly with the children and her family.

Now, maybe I do look at things in a black and white fashion, but in this case, that is exactly what it is.

I think you need to step away from the killers side and maybe try
to feel what the the victims are feeling and what the horrific
pain that woman must have felt knowing her life was leaving her as
that knife plunged into her.

That is where the sympathy and compassion should lie.

BTW, the murder charge was accepted by the cops and the DPP
and the jury returned a guilty verdict and now you think he deserves
sympathy and should have been given a more lenient sentence?

Also, how do you know his life is 'over?'

Was he looking down, sad, guilty?

Poor poor man. Well, he should have thought
about that before he butchered his wife

walshb · 31-03-2009 08:13PM

Barname wrote: »

walshb = campion the creepy loser?

I can understand Mr. Bourkes actions.

I have read about his wife, some piece of work, even females I have discussed the case with have determined that Mr Bourke should have been convicted of manslaughter.

All good mothers are disgusted by the sneaky greedy ways of his wife.

Well, that is exactly why we're in the mess we are.
So, the way to deal with her was to butcher her?

Mad mad view!

BTW, all good mothers who have this view
you speak of, there is a word to describe them, Jezebels!

david bourke gets life

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