Bernard Dunne Vs Paul O' Connell

arybvtcw0eolkf · 25-03-2009 01:08PM

T-K-O wrote: »

Are you serious - 8st against 18st...

If size mattered the elephant would be the king of the jungle!.

Under boxing rules Dunne would win as O'Connell is a rugby player.

Or to put it another way.

I fight Judo, and I'm the same weight as Paul O'Connell. If I was to fight an 8st boxer under boxing rules I'd lose, if I was to fight the same boxer under Judo rules I'd win.

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Dragan · 25-03-2009 01:09PM

colly10 wrote: »

It does and more, have you ever got into the ring with anyone heavier than you. The difference in power as you go up in weight is huge. As I said, a few kilos can make a huge difference in power

In a trained boxer yes, the difference is immense. Just because someone is big, or strong, does not mean they can generate a fast and powerful strike.

colly10 · 25-03-2009 01:12PM

wellyhead wrote: »

not at all. just a spectator

Then where have you witnessed a boxing match where there was say 10 kilos or so between the opponents? What you say about the bigger guy being bet up by the smaller guy couldn't have been in a fight you wen't to see in the national stadium or a tournement you went to see. One fighter can look bigger than the other but they weigh pretty much the same

Mr.Lizard · 25-03-2009 01:13PM

I think a lot of the posters here who voted for POC just like men with big bodies.

metamorphic · 25-03-2009 01:13PM

I think you're giving too much credit to the training and not enough credit to the actual difference in weight, reach and power. I'll leave it at that, I've given my thoughts in my original post.

BaZmO* · 25-03-2009 01:15PM

Mairt wrote: »

If size mattered the elephant would be the king of the jungle!

Funny you use that analogy. I was watching QI recently and they made reference to the strange act of animal fighting during the early days of the Goldrush (I think?) in America.

Circuses used to have fights between all types of animals, but no other animal could compete against a Bear because of it's strength and size. Apparently they even put Tigers and Lions in with the Bear but the Bear won every time.

Raze_them_all · 25-03-2009 01:15PM

metamorphic wrote: »

I think you're giving too much credit to the training and not enough credit to the actual difference in weight, reach and power. I'll leave it at that, I've given my thoughts in my original post.

I personally think your seriously underestimating the training. You have no idea the force boxers can hit you with

colly10 · 25-03-2009 01:16PM

Dragan wrote: »

In a trained boxer yes, the difference is immense. Just because someone is big, or strong, does not mean they can generate a fast and powerful strike.

Thats true enough, I weigh around 78 kilos and I wouldn't mind fighting an untrained guy around 110 for the laugh. I know that even though the guy isn't in optimum shape and and isn't getting the power in that he should if he lands a haymaker I would probably be dropping to the floor

colly10 · 25-03-2009 01:19PM

Raze_them_all wrote: »

I personally think your seriously underestimating the training. You have no idea the force boxers can hit you with

Savages for their weight but not compared to a guy who weighs DOUBLE what you weigh and is in good shape

Dragan · 25-03-2009 01:20PM

metamorphic wrote: »

I think you're giving too much credit to the training and not enough credit to the actual difference in weight, reach and power. I'll leave it at that, I've given my thoughts in my original post.

I think people are giving WAY too much credit to the old "big=bad" equation that most people have in their head.

At my peek i was about 250-260 pounds, reasonably lean. I could deadlift 245kilos, power clean 110 and jerk about 120. Most of those would probably be in or around POC lifts? I had also been on and off training in various martial arts including a bit of the old sweet science.

And Dunne would have ****ing murdered me.

25-03-2009 01:20PM

O'Connell would win without a doubt. For a start Dunne with have his work cut out just trying to get a decent punch on O'Connell due to the height difference and I dont know if the people who think Dunne would even have a chance watch rugby but the punishment O'Connell takes from hard hits and tackles is massive. No matter how hard Dunne could hit him espically with boking gloves O'Connell would take a massive amount of punches.

Also a few puchees from O'Connell would do big damage to Dunne. He wouldnt be able to guard against O'Connell's punches there would be too much power behind them and would just burst through his defences and rattle his tiny body!

EDIT: look at the hight tackle Karney took early in the Italy match that would have taken dunnes head clean off! Rugby FTW

Raze_them_all · 25-03-2009 01:21PM

colly10 wrote: »

Savages for their weight but not compared to a guy who weighs DOUBLE what you weigh and is in good shape

are you so sure? Ricky hatton(who is a bit heavier I admit but is still almost half o connells weight) had his punch measured at the same force as a horse kick, are you telling me o connell wouldn't feel that?

Mitch Connor · 25-03-2009 01:23PM

Well Mayweather only beat BigShow by using brass knuckles....

Professey Chin · 25-03-2009 01:25PM

Raze_them_all wrote: »

are you so sure? Ricky hatton(who is a bit heavier I admit but is still almost half o connells weight) had his punch measured at the same force as a horse kick, are you telling me o connell wouldn't feel that?

He'd feel that alright if he allowed him to line up, plant his feet properly,take all the time he needed to pick the spot and put all his power into the punch. He's fast but I dont think he'd be that fast

colly10 · 25-03-2009 01:26PM

Raze_them_all wrote: »

are you so sure? Ricky hatton(who is a bit heavier I admit but is still almost half o connells weight) had his punch measured at the same force as a horse kick, are you telling me o connell wouldn't feel that?

Imo when you start getting up around welterweight the power increases alot. There would be a massive difference in power between Hattons weight and Dunnes. Hatton would murder POC

Professey Chin · 25-03-2009 01:26PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Well Mayweather only beat BigShow by using brass knuckles....

Ive seen the big show beaten by less then that though :P

consultech · 25-03-2009 01:27PM

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Ive seen the big show beaten by less then that though :P

How true this statement will invariably be in the next 10 years. Namely, by way of a stroke.

wellyhead · 25-03-2009 01:28PM

Mairt wrote: »

I fight Judo, and I'm the same weight as Paul O'Connell. If I was to fight an 8st boxer under boxing rules I'd lose, if I was to fight the same boxer under Judo rules I'd win.

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Thats the kind of common sense we need in this discussion but as a wise teacher once told me, sense is not common. Hence most people are sayin Dunne would lose.

Gone Drinking · 25-03-2009 01:47PM

Can't believe this thread got this far, its absolutely ridiculous

RasTa · 25-03-2009 01:53PM

POC could jab all day with the left and drink beer with the right and still win on points. This is an absolutely ridiculous thread.

colly10 · 25-03-2009 01:55PM

Mairt wrote: »

I fight Judo, and I'm the same weight as Paul O'Connell. If I was to fight an 8st boxer under boxing rules I'd lose

So you at 18 stone (in good shape I assume) don't believe that you would be capable of knocking out someone of 8 and a half stone? That he somehow has a granite chin or that you are incaple of landing a single shot in 12 rounds

colly10 · 25-03-2009 01:56PM

RasTa wrote: »

POC could jab all day with the left and drink beer with the right and still win on points.

Thats the only impossibility, he would never beat the boxer on points, it would be KO or loose

tech77 · 25-03-2009 02:09PM

I'm loving how posters are taking this all seriously.

Outlining their theories and putting a lot of thought into it.

Confirmation that most AH posters are indeed actually 12.

colly10 · 25-03-2009 02:14PM

tech77 wrote: »

I'm loving how posters are taking this all seriously.

Outlining their theories and putting a lot of thought into it.

Confirmation that most AH posters are indeed actually 12.

Whats your opinion on it then who would win? Hard not to give your opinion when ye feel some are miles off the mark

kf1920 · 25-03-2009 02:25PM

Dunne would win, under proper boxing rules.

Its his job, his profession, he would pick him off. Too fast and too strong

Under boxing rules, the clinches would be broken up, taking away alot of POCs advantage. And the height difference wouldn't be too big, as you crouch to box.

Dunne, for the win, But POC has a boxers chance, a lucky punch etc

Dragan · 25-03-2009 02:29PM

tech77 wrote: »

I'm loving how posters are taking this all seriously.

Outlining their theories and putting a lot of thought into it.

Confirmation that most AH posters are indeed actually 12.

Alternatively, people have an interest in one sport or both and it's an interesting enough topic of conversation to help me pass some of my day in work?

Sorry if my posting does not meet your required standards.:rolleyes:

Professey Chin · 25-03-2009 02:36PM

kf1920 wrote: »

Dunne would win, under proper boxing rules.

Its his job, his profession, he would pick him off. Too fast and too strong

Under boxing rules, the clinches would be broken up, taking away alot of POCs advantage. And the height difference wouldn't be too big, as you crouch to box.

Dunne, for the win, But POC has a boxers chance, a lucky punch etc

Dunne would be a lot faster but too strong?

And if they both box,wouldnt they both crouch and the height difference be the exact same

EDIT: Got there first

colly10 · 25-03-2009 02:36PM

kf1920 wrote: »

Its his job, his profession, he would pick him off. Too fast and too strong

Under boxing rules, the clinches would be broken up, taking away alot of POCs advantage. And the height difference wouldn't be too big, as you crouch to box.

If you class that as crouching both would be crouching, how would he be too strong, there is no way Dunne would have the harder punch.

I should probably give up this discussion, it's frying my brain

Edit - I see ultimate chin got there before me

Professey Chin · 25-03-2009 02:37PM

colly10 wrote: »

If you class that as crouching both would be crouching, how would he be too strong, there is no way Dunne would have the harder punch.

I should probably give up this discussion, it's frying my brain

You give up and im comin after you :pac:

DanGerMus · 25-03-2009 02:40PM

While there is a lot to be said for Boxers ability and conditioning the hieght and weight difference is just too much here. Giving away 11 inches and nearly 10 stone firstly i doubt Dunne could get inside O'Connels reach and if he did the damage inflicted would be minimal and he'd struggle to even land a scorable punch. We're not just talking about some tall flabby yob off the street. O'Connel is a lean fit and heavily conditioned international standard athlete.

I'd love to see the looks on both their faces if this question was ever put to them though.

Bernard Dunne Vs Paul O' Connell

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