Bernard Dunne Vs Paul O' Connell

sbEdge

Here's a question that has been floating around at work.
If Bernard Dunne and Paul O' Connell had a fight where all the normal boxing rules applied, who do you think would win?

T-K-O

Are you serious - 8st against 18st...

Exneigh

The ambulance man getting on the telly would be the true winner!

connundrum

POC - Height, 6'49. Weight, 111 kg
BD - Height, 5'7. Weight, 55 kg

POC hummers BD, then has him in a sandwich.

skywalker

Just did a bit of googling to get the lads weights. Bernard Dunnes weightclass is super bantam (122lbs) & according to Paul O Connells profile, hes 240 or so lbs, double the weight. That would be some mismatch!

Id like to pick the pro boxer, but with that much weight difference you would have to pick the bigger guy. The smaller guy just wouldnt have enough power to do much damage, let alone knock the bigger man out. Presuming Paul could throw any sort of accurate punch he'd knock Bernard out eventually, he'd have to catch him first though.

twinytwo

U can be the best fighter in the world but if ur 8 stone and get hit by someone who is 18/19 stone lights out no question hence whyt boxing has weight divisions ... Dunne would never reach him anyway and would have be throwing punches up.... Kinda stupid thread

bill_ashmount

I think any professional boxer would destroy someone who wasn't skilled in some sort of fighting no matter how big they are. Dunne for me.

BaZmO*

sbEdge wrote: »

Here's a question that has been floating around at work.
If Bernard Dunne and Paul O' Connell had a fight where all the normal boxing rules applied, who do you think would win?

No wonder we're in a bleeding recession

Terry

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=8 for sports related threads.
I'm not moving this over because it'll just be sent back.

Terry

re-opened due to the fact that some people want it.

Don't come back crying when I ban you because you can't take criticism of a sport you like and decide to call someone an idiot.

Quazzie

Bernard Dunne could get 10-20 boxes at POC but wouldn't hurt him, but if POC got one box at Bernard Dunne during that fight then he'd flatten him. As for the previous post about POC catching Bernard Dunne, I think you are understimating how fit rugby players actually are.

Paul O' Connel FTW

Gone Drinking

Well considering Superman wears Paul O' Connell pajamas..

T-K-O

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Well considering Superman wears Paul O' Connell pajamas..

Erroneous: Superman wears Chuck Norris PJ's

Raze_them_all

Dunne, You guys are making to much of the weight difference, speed causes a ko, Dunne has been boxing years, a punch on the chin can drop anyone, Keep in mind ye said usual boxing rules

consultech

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Bernard Dunne could get 10-20 boxes at POC but wouldn't hurt him, but if POC got one box at Bernard Dunne during that fight then he'd flatten him. As for the previous post about POC catching Bernard Dunne, I think you are understimating how fit rugby players actually are.

Paul O' Connel FTW

In fairness given Dunne's chin if my 11 year old nephew landed one punch on Bernard Dunne he would most likely rock him.

To quote Fat Bastard: "I've found pieces of corn in my shite bigger than yeeeuw!"


Who's the next matchup? I vote superman vs spiderman!

Homer

Raze_them_all wrote: »

a punch on the chin can drop anyone, Keep in mind ye said usual boxing rules

Yes usual boxing rules... Which means no step ladders in the ring :P

P O C would decimate him

consultech

Raze_them_all wrote: »

Dunne, You guys are making to much of the weight difference, speed causes a ko, Dunne has been boxing years, a punch on the chin can drop anyone, Keep in mind ye said usual boxing rules

He only said "Where all the normal boxing rules applied" not "only normal boxing rules applied". This would mean other rules could theoretically apply and POC could tackle/ground n pound poor Bernie, a la UFC. So it is a mis-match (if you're bothered!).

T-K-O

Have any of you guys seen the Klischko brothers fight ? They use there size to dominate other HW's. Dunne wouldn't get passed the jab of O'Connell

Raze_them_all

your excluding the speed advantage, I doubt O connells jab would be lightning fast

Exneigh

T-K-O wrote: »

Erroneous: Superman wears Chuck Norris PJ's

Not since he found out that Chuck is actually a has been crazy fundie Christian who doesn't kick ass, but makes ads talking about how God should be back in Public schools... hence the POC PJ's.

Dragan

I know for a FACT that POC's jab isn't that fast!!

I've always wanted to say FACT on the internet.

I'd give it to Dunne, it's a ****ing boxing match and he's a boxer. The size, while being significantly in the favour of POC wouldn't mean much against a guy who is trained to move and generate KO power.

Might do well for people to watch a few earlier UFC's, you'll see a skinny guy kick a big guys teeth, quite literally, out of his head.

Speed wins fights folks. POC would have absolutely no head movement or footwork, no technique in his shots and would be WAY too reactive to set ups from an experienced boxer.

Mr.Lizard

The OP defined it as normal boxing rules so the idea of O'Connell just being allowed to kick the sh1t out him wouldn't occur. Dunne would win on points.

zAbbo

I've seen POC box, it's all wild swings and haymakers.

Dunne vrs Drico would be more interesting

Wetbench4

Id imagine one good running punch from POC would break Dunnes jaw, if not his neck. Or he could just pick dunne up and throw him against something. It would be like pitting a Gorilla against a chimp.

Raze_them_all

Dragan wrote: »

I know for a FACT that POC's jab isn't that fast!!

I've always wanted to say FACT on the internet.

I'd give it to Dunne, it's a ****ing boxing match and he's a boxer. The size, while being significantly in the favour of POC wouldn't mean much against a guy who is trained to move and generate KO power.

Might do well for people to watch a few earlier UFC's, you'll see a skinny guy kick a big guys teeth, quite literally, out of his head.

Speed wins fights folks. POC would have absolutely no head movement or footwork, no technique in his shots and would be WAY too reactive to set ups from an experienced boxer.

Ah sumo wrestlers eh!! can't take a kick to the face!

Wetbench4 wrote: »

Id imagine one good running punch from POC would break Dunnes jaw, if not his neck. Or he could just pick dunne up and throw him against something. It would be like pitting a Gorilla against a chimp.

Boxing rules, not wwe. Do you seriously expect anyone to stand there while someone runs at them to throw a punch?

T-K-O

the jab does need to be fast with his size advantage.


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Mr.Lizard

Wetbench4 wrote: »

Id imagine one good running punch from POC would break Dunnes jaw, if not his neck. Or he could just pick dunne up and throw him against something. It would be like pitting a Gorilla against a chimp.

He looks more like Orangutan than a Gorilla.The Dunne/chimp comparison is apt however.

Professey Chin

Dragan wrote: »

I'd give it to Dunne, it's a ****ing boxing match and he's a boxer. The size, while being significantly in the favour of POC wouldn't mean much against a guy who is trained to move and generate KO power.

Might do well for people to watch a few earlier UFC's, you'll see a skinny guy kick a big guys teeth, quite literally, out of his head.

Speed wins fights folks. POC would have absolutely no head movement or footwork, no technique in his shots and would be WAY too reactive to set ups from an experienced boxer.

Dunne doesnt exactly have KO power though. He's never been known as a KO artist against people his own size and punching up(especially up that much) wouldnt be doin him any favours.

And you should really be more accurate about that UFC.What you mean is youll see a trained kickboxer kick the teeth out a sumo wrestlers head while the sumo wrestler was on his hands and knees. Slight difference :P

And dunnes speed wouldnt help against dirty boxing in a clinch

Dragan

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Dunne doesnt exactly have KO power though. He's never been known as a KO artist against people his own size and punching up(especially up that much) wouldnt be doin him any favours.

And you should really be more accurate about that UFC.What you mean is youll see a trained kickboxer kick the teeth out a sumo wrestlers head while the sumo wrestler was on his hands and knees. Slight difference :P

And dunnes speed wouldnt help against dirty boxing in a clinch

He doesn't have KO power against people who are fast, well trained, great guard and good head and foot movements and the reactions of a boxer. Against someone like POC who's every instinct would drive him in the wrong direction....he'd KO him.

Have trained a bit in both boxing and rugby, POC would lose. I think his instincts would drive him to make the required mistakes to get put away.

And my UFC reference was an example of speed winning a fight you cheeky beggar!:D Also, i would be hugely unlikely POC would be able to generate enough effective offence in a clinch before the ref broke it up.

I am hinging all my arguments on the boxing rules here....if we change the ruleset i will happily change who i think will win.

colly10

Lol at this thread, an absolute non contest. Dunne weighs under 9 stone. POC would have 12 rounds to land one punch and when he does he would take the head off Dunne. A few kilos makes a huge difference in boxing never mind double the guys weight

Have trained a bit in both boxed and played Rugby, POC would lose.

Box myslef and wouldn't give dunne a hope

Mmmm_Lemony

sbEdge wrote: »

Here's a question that has been floating around at work.
If Bernard Dunne and Paul O' Connell had a fight where all the normal boxing rules applied, who do you think would win?

I think people are underestimating a boxers ability, and overestimating Paul O Connells ability as a technical fighter. I worked with a black guy called Michael Thompson, fought in the K2, beat the japanese title holder (this is a long time ago), and he once told me he would never get into the ring with a boxer, regardless of weight.

Has nobody seen snatch?

Professey Chin

Dragan wrote: »

He doesn't have KO power against people who are fast, well trained, great guard and good head and foot movements and the reactions of a boxer. Against someone like POC who's every instinct would drive him in the wrong direction....he'd KO him.

Have trained a bit in both boxed and played Rugby, POC would lose.

And my UFC reference was an example of speed winning a fight you cheeky beggar!:D Also, i would be hugely unlikely POC would be able to generate enough effective offence in a clinch before the ref broke it up.

I am hinging all my arguments on the boxing rules here....if we change the ruleset i will happily change who i think will win.

Yeah maybe.
Damn MMA means I cant think in boxing rules any more:(
Ah well. Im happy:pac:

Wetbench4

Does anyone else think POC looks like Hellboys father??

partyguinness

It remains to be seen how good POC is without John Hayes as hoist...:D

POC would just change the rules and then proceed to eat Dunne and the Ref in a crazed frenzy a la Hulk Hogan in Rocky III

PCros

O'Connell would destroy the little hunky dory man!!

Check out this vid of O'Connell unleashing the beast...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQsermgwdfw

Raze_them_all

PCros wrote: »

O'Connell would destroy the little hunky dory man!!

Check out this vid of O'Connell unleashing the beast...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQsermgwdfw

ah yes, take downs....the most forgotton of all boxing rules:rolleyes:

PCros

Raze_them_all wrote: »

ah yes, take downs....the most forgotton of all boxing rules:rolleyes:

Ok you do realise this match will never happen.....its a fantasy post. Relax my friend.

Mr.Lizard

I don't know about you lot but I now suddenly want to see a fight between Peter Stringer and Nikolay Valuev.

Raze_them_all

PCros wrote: »

Ok you do realise this match will never happen.....its a fantasy post. Relax my friend.

Lol I know it'll never happen, but the OP stated that the fantasy match up would be under boxing rules, you clearly didn't stick to that, in that case Dunne can whip out a gun and knee cap O Connell :P

PCros

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

I don't know about you lot but I now suddenly want to see a fight between Peter Stringer and Nikolay Valuev.

He apparently eats 3kgs of meat a day!

consultech

PCros wrote: »

Ok you do realise this match will never happen.....its a fantasy post. Relax my friend.

WHAT? Oh, right. Explains this so:

http://www.ticketmaster.ie/search?tm_link=tm_header_search&q=O%27Connell+vs+Dunne&search.x=18&search.y=20

wellyhead

All of the tools that said Paul O'Connell would win are falling in to the trap of thinking that because he is more than twice Dunnes height, he would win. What they don't seem to understand that Dunne has spent most of his life perfecting his art. One punch off O'COnnell does not equate to the abuse done took off Cordoba. Anyway he wouldn't even land the punch. Dunne would be far too quick. Dunne would wear O'Connell down. over the fight. People just dont understand how honed boxers are. Any one that thibks O'Connell would win is definately a ******.

Quazzie

wellyhead wrote: »

he is more than twice Dunnes height,

Wait? Paul O' Connell is 11' 2"??

wellyhead wrote: »

******.

I would've said five stars myself, but thanks for the compliment

Dancor

People dont be silly, Dunne, a world champion boxer, Would beat any Joseph Soap in a boxing match. POC can be any size he wants. He will still be just a man off the street in a boxing match.

Evil_Clown

wellyhead wrote: »

All of the tools that said Paul O'Connell would win are falling in to the trap of thinking that because he is more than twice Dunnes height, he would win. What they don't seem to understand that Dunne has spent most of his life perfecting his art. One punch off O'COnnell does not equate to the abuse done took off Cordoba. Anyway he wouldn't even land the punch. Dunne would be far too quick. Dunne would wear O'Connell down. over the fight. People just dont understand how honed boxers are. Any one that thibks O'Connell would win is definately a ******.

Paul O'Connell can kill two stones with one bird
so catching Dunne would be the least of his worries
POC to win the fight by Murder

PCros

consultech wrote: »

WHAT? Oh, right. Explains this so:

http://www.ticketmaster.ie/search?tm_link=tm_header_search&q=O%27Connell+vs+Dunne&search.x=18&search.y=20

Haha I could have told you!:D

BaZmO*

wellyhead wrote: »

All of the tools that said Paul O'Connell would win are falling in to the trap of thinking that because he is more than twice Dunnes height, he would win. What they don't seem to understand that Dunne has spent most of his life perfecting his art. One punch off O'COnnell does not equate to the abuse done took off Cordoba. Anyway he wouldn't even land the punch. Dunne would be far too quick. Dunne would wear O'Connell down. over the fight. People just dont understand how honed boxers are. Any one that thibks O'Connell would win is definately a ******.

Nice first post

wellyhead

weight. twice his weight damn it. Use your common sense to realise it was a typo.

consultech

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

Wait? Paul O' Connell is 11' 2"??

Yes, as can be seen here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/emulvey/3054060940/

This is also Roflz:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegaseddie/1472441241/

banshee_bones

POC without a doubt!

wellyhead

thanks, this thing is good