17yr old boy charged with killing PSNI officer

Irlbo · 24-03-2009 03:50PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

So the Irish army should have invaded the UK. I'm sure that would have ended well

Didnt say invade the UK,said defend their country

humanji · 24-03-2009 03:58PM

You mean like the British were defending theirs? Remember there's two sides to every story. Selectively chosen the bits you want to hear helps no one.

thelordofcheese · 24-03-2009 03:59PM

Irlbo wrote: »

Didnt say invade the UK,said defend their country

I'm fairly certain that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The clue is in the name.

Sam Vimes · 24-03-2009 04:03PM

Irlbo wrote: »

Didnt say invade the UK,said defend their country

as thelordofcheese said, it's not our country and hasn't been for quite some time. Sending the army into the north would have been an act of war against the UK

Fratton Fred · 24-03-2009 04:06PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

as thelordofcheese said, it's not our country and hasn't been for quite some time. Sending the army into the north would have been an act of war against the UK

But it's all on the same bit of land as Ireland, it must belong to Ireland.

Napoleon used to think the same thing

Irlbo · 24-03-2009 04:08PM

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I'm fairly certain that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The clue is in the name.

No your very wrong,this is the island of Ireland,which comprises of 4 provinces,Ulster,Munster,Leinster and Connaught,the island contains 32 counties,6 in Ulster which are under the control of Britain,if you call yourself Irish,hang your head in shame

Fratton Fred · 24-03-2009 04:09PM

Irlbo wrote: »

No your very wrong,this is the island of Ireland,which comprises of 4 provinces,Ulster,Munster,Leinster and Connaught,the island contains 32 counties,6 in Ulster which are under the control of Britain,if you call yourself Irish,hang your head in shame

Who created the concept of counties, provinces etc? wasn't the "British" by any chance was it?

Zzippy · 24-03-2009 04:10PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

There will never be peace on this Ireland aslong as Britain maintain a presence here,there will always be death,always be unrest,always be violence until they withdraw their illegal presence on this island,you can lock up as many republicans as you want,but with every one that is imprisoned,there will be ten more to take his or her place,there will always be people who will fight to end British occupation,'everyone has their part to play' as Bobby Sands once said

Illegal presence? Illegal where? Not here - Articles 2 and 3 are gone, we maintain no territorial claim to NI. Illegal in your head maybe.
I'd wager money you're way too young to remember the troubles, you were probably still in nappies when the Good Friday Agreement was signed. Give up listening to the Wolfe Tones and start reading about your history - and not just the IRA version.
There will always be violence and death as long as the "dinosaurs" as you called them in an earlier post continue to murder innocent people.

Sam Vimes · 24-03-2009 04:11PM

Irlbo wrote: »

No your very wrong,this is the island of Ireland,which comprises of 4 provinces,Ulster,Munster,Leinster and Connaught,the island contains 32 counties,6 in Ulster which are under the control of Britain,if you call yourself Irish,hang your head in shame

Yes the Island does indeed contain 32 counties but you see we're not cavemen and political borders aren't necessarily defined by where the water is. The Republic of Ireland comprises 26 counties. The United Kingdom comprises England, Scotland, Wales and 6 of the counties in Ulster. Just because we're physically connected to the North doesn't mean we own them any more than Germany owns France because they're connected.

If you ever went to school and learned geography or history it is you who should be hanging your head in shame.

Irlbo · 24-03-2009 04:12PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

as thelordofcheese said, it's not our country and hasn't been for quite some time. Sending the army into the north would have been an act of war against the UK

And whats wrong with that,the IRA bombed them to the negociation table in the mid 90s

Sam Vimes · 24-03-2009 04:14PM

Irlbo wrote: »

And whats wrong with that,the IRA bombed them to the negociation table in the mid 90s

The IRA were a small group of terrorists. That's slightly different to the government of Ireland declaring war on the UK. I don't want tanks on O'Connell street thank you very much

thelordofcheese · 24-03-2009 04:32PM

Irlbo wrote: »

No your very wrong,this is the island of Ireland,which comprises of 4 provinces,Ulster,Munster,Leinster and Connaught,the island contains 32 counties,6 in Ulster which are under the control of Britain,if you call yourself Irish,hang your head in shame

Geographically, you are correct, politically and for all pratical purposes you are wrong.

Seriously, no matter what the wolfe tones have told you, invading the north would have been an act of agression against the UK and that wouldn't have ended well for us.

The phrase "Bitch-slapped" springs to mind.

Nodin · 24-03-2009 04:49PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

How does someone ambushing a police officer answering a call for help from a member of the public become political?

The same way pointing at some bearded dude, saying 'That monster has a bomb' and stringing him up while sitting on his oil barrel does.....

Nodin · 24-03-2009 04:50PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

I don't want tanks on O'Connell street thank you very much

Make it a bit safer of a Friday/Saturday night though, tbh....

Fratton Fred · 24-03-2009 05:03PM

Nodin wrote: »

The same way pointing at some bearded dude, saying 'That monster has a bomb' and stringing him up while sitting on his oil barrel does.....

i wonder what the Godwin's equivelant is for the war in Iraq?

Fratton Fred · 24-03-2009 05:05PM

Irlbo wrote: »

And whats wrong with that,the IRA bombed them to the negociation table in the mid 90s

exactly. if they hadn't have started a bombing campaign, they would have negotiated in the 80s.

Irlbo · 24-03-2009 05:06PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

The IRA were a small group of terrorists. That's slightly different to the government of Ireland declaring war on the UK. I don't want tanks on O'Connell street thank you very much

Tanks on O'Connell street,bit over the top there mate,the IRA were anything but small,they at one time had enough manpower and weaponary to arm 7 or 8 battalions,the defense forces have 12 battalions,enough to take over this state,the IRA was a very dominant presence,no small group of terrorists

Fratton Fred · 24-03-2009 05:26PM

Irlbo wrote: »

Tanks on O'Connell street,bit over the top there mate,the IRA were anything but small,they at one time had enough manpower and weaponary to arm 7 or 8 battalions,the defense forces have 12 battalions,enough to take over this state,the IRA was a very dominant presence,no small group of terrorists

So powerful they resorted to Bombing Shops, pubs, railway stations. you must be so proud.:rolleyes:

Romantic bollocks like this is what leads kids to shoot policemen.

Sam Vimes · 24-03-2009 05:35PM

Irlbo wrote: »

Tanks on O'Connell street,bit over the top there mate,the IRA were anything but small,they at one time had enough manpower and weaponary to arm 7 or 8 battalions,the defense forces have 12 battalions,enough to take over this state,the IRA was a very dominant presence,no small group of terrorists

They're small in comparison to, say, the british army or the population of Ireland. And when I say small, I mean they were an unauthorised hidden group and no one knew who they were. There was no clear target. However, if the Irish armed forces invaded the north then the entire island of Ireland becomes a legitimate target.

You say I'm over the top talking about tanks on O'Connell street. What exactly do you think happens when your government declares war on a country with a vastly superior army? Should we ask the people of Iraq what happens when the UK declares war?

rovert · 24-03-2009 05:48PM

There is no way Ireland could take on Northern Ireland financially. The UK is doing us a serious favour subsidising it.

Boston · 24-03-2009 05:54PM

I recall them trying to recruit a group of my friends when we were in primary school. They got one of the lads through a family connection and through him tried to recruit similar fools. Last I heard he was found with an arms dump in meath.

Stay_in_Kampuchea · 24-03-2009 06:24PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

There will never be peace on this Ireland aslong as Britain maintain a presence here,there will always be death,always be unrest,always be violence until they withdraw their illegal presence on this island,you can lock up as many republicans as you want,but with every one that is imprisoned,there will be ten more to take his or her place,there will always be people who will fight to end British occupation,'everyone has their part to play' as Bobby Sands once said

Were you on the Adrian Kennedy phone show?

Poccington · 24-03-2009 06:36PM

Irlbo wrote: »

Tanks on O'Connell street,bit over the top there mate,the IRA were anything but small,they at one time had enough manpower and weaponary to arm 7 or 8 battalions,the defense forces have 12 battalions,enough to take over this state,the IRA was a very dominant presence,no small group of terrorists

We've 9 Battalions

We've also got Cavalry Squadrons, Artillery Regiments etc.

So in the grand scheme of things, the IRA didn't have a dominant presence.

Poccington · 24-03-2009 06:43PM

Irlbo wrote: »

The 'army' you talk about,is this the same army that in the late sixties and seventies sat on its ar.se while their fellow country men up North were being burned out of their homes by the British army and Loyalist pograms,shot dead on the street in cold blood,didnt they cry out for the 'army' of the 26 counties to help them and defend them as they had nobody to turn to?........................................and what did the state and 'army' down here do,nothing,left the opressed people of the 6 counties to take the brunt of the Souths treachery years before,but they had an army they could rely on,the IRA,the real army of Ireland,and by far the most effective,...............................................'the defence force' is a joke,always was always will be

Read a history book.

Then start to draw comparisons between the DF and the IRA when you want to decide which is a real Army.... I think you'll find a few arms dumps, no military installations and no proper logistics setup among other things including proper training, does much when trying to refer to someone as an "Army".

cos!! · 24-03-2009 06:55PM

before im jumped at im not defending the chap!

but all you going on about hes 17!aload of scum bags teaching him to kill ect....anyway any 17 year can join the rdf without parental consent and learn how to shoot, handle and dismantle a gun?its not so different?any 17 year can join the pdf!im not sure about them goin abroad at that age though?but i think they might be able

Poccington · 24-03-2009 07:05PM

cos!! wrote: »

before im jumped at im not defending the chap!

but all you going on about hes 17!aload of scum bags teaching him to kill ect....anyway any 17 year can join the rdf without parental consent and learn how to shoot, handle and dismantle a gun?its not so different?any 17 year can join the pdf!im not sure about them goin abroad at that age though?but i think they might be able

There's quite a bit of a difference to being "trained" by the IRA and being trained and employed by a Defence Forces that is Internationally recognised and trains to an International standard.

You know the main difference though between the IRA training 17 year olds and the DF training 17 year olds? A whole lot of dead civilians.

rovert · 24-03-2009 07:21PM

cos!! wrote: »

before im jumped at im not defending the chap!

but all you going on about hes 17!aload of scum bags teaching him to kill ect....anyway any 17 year can join the rdf without parental consent and learn how to shoot, handle and dismantle a gun?its not so different?any 17 year can join the pdf!im not sure about them goin abroad at that age though?but i think they might be able

Think about this for a minute.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 24-03-2009 07:50PM

Poccington wrote: »

We've 9 Battalions

We've also got Cavalry Squadrons, Artillery Regiments etc.

So in the grand scheme of things, the IRA didn't have a dominant presence.

And your forgetting about those assasins up in the SCHOOL OF CATERING!.

Nodin · 25-03-2009 11:07AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

exactly. if they hadn't have started a bombing campaign, they would have negotiated in the 80s.

Actually it was Majors failure to do anything with the IRA ceasefire which caused the resumption in the 90's...

Raze_them_all · 25-03-2009 11:43AM

Stones85 wrote: »

Do republican prisoners still get pow/special category staus?

Seanybiker- I'm actually more annoyed at the grown men in their 20's, 30's and 40's who recruited this boy, put the gun in his hands and "ordered" him to kill. He is of coarse a free thinking human being and is responsible for what he does....... but he's a boy manipulated by grown men.

He's in court this morning in Lisburn magistrates court, 4 others being questioned still.

Mairt wrote: »

I just seen that on TV3 now.

I'm both sickened and saddened by this news.

17yrs old - a fucking child, what kind of monster brain washed & then sent this child to murder a man?.

Christ almighty, my son is 17. He was five when the ceasefire came into effect.

I'm almost at a loss for words, I'm at a complete loss of understanding tbh.

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Eh he's 17 here...brainwashed...manipulated?? He can think for himself? when I was 17 all my friends were into drugs and tried to get me into them, I said no, It's amazing how easy it is to say no when you don't want to do something, 3 years down the line my friends are still into drugs and I still don't take them, It's amazing what thinking can do for you

17yr old boy charged with killing PSNI officer

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