17yr old boy charged with killing PSNI officer

dlofnep · 24-03-2009 11:39AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why? they are doing the right thing, they have the support of the major Unionist and Nationalist parties in stormont.

Incorrect. "Devolved policing" however has support. Sinn Féin and the larger nationalist community is waiting for these powers to be transferred for accountable policing.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

How does someone ambushing a police officer answering a call for help from a member of the public become political?

Where did I say otherwise? You stated "they are making great strides towards a fair and inclusive Police service" - I was responding to that statement. Strides will not be made until policing is devolved. There is NOT a fair and inclusive police service in the north, and won't be until policing & justice is devolved. You would be naive to think otherwise.

RaverRo808 · 24-03-2009 12:42PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Grow up, its not 1970 any more. He's not a political prisoner, he's a suspect in a murder case. If convicted thats how he should be treated - as a murderer.
He's old enough to make up his own mind, he is one of those dinosaurs you mention.

There will never be peace on this Ireland aslong as Britain maintain a presence here,there will always be death,always be unrest,always be violence until they withdraw their illegal presence on this island,you can lock up as many republicans as you want,but with every one that is imprisoned,there will be ten more to take his or her place,there will always be people who will fight to end British occupation,'everyone has their part to play' as Bobby Sands once said

Dyr · 24-03-2009 12:49PM

17 is plenty old to be convicted as an adult in my book. The amount of little toe rags walking around like untouchables because they haven't turned 18 yet is sickening.

Captain-America · 24-03-2009 12:57PM

I'd agree. I'm seventeen and I've got the cop on to know.

dlofnep · 24-03-2009 12:58PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

There will never be peace on this Ireland aslong as Britain maintain a presence here,there will always be death,always be unrest,always be violence until they withdraw their illegal presence on this island,you can lock up as many republicans as you want,but with every one that is imprisoned,there will be ten more to take his or her place,there will always be people who will fight to end British occupation,'everyone has their part to play' as Bobby Sands once said

There will never be peace on this Island because some so-called Republicans are still intent in bringing war back to the streets of Ireland.

The majority of the Irish people agreed to the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, in which we will aim for whatever means peacefully.

Now, I want Irish Unity as much as the next guy. But I don't want to see some father killed because some child was deluded into thinking that killing him, will somehow bring about Irish Unity and will remove British presence from Ireland.

Ireland was united, but not in the way you would have liked. It was united in condemning the murder of a police-officer who was there to assist the community. Now, I'm not a supporter of the current state of the PSNI, and won't fully advocate it until policing is devolved.. But by killing a police officer, you create a situation which could bring large scale british troops back onto the soil of Ireland. That is counter-productive.

This lad has not been found guilty of anything, so I won't judge him. But if he did do it, then those who put him up to it should be ashamed of themselves.

I don't like the British presence in Ireland, but I accept the reality of the situation and that we must try and work together peacefully, and try and get a better understanding of each other's ideologies.

Killing a police officer, with young children does not advance a 32 county Irish republic. Some people on here might not agree with all of my views, but I think they would agree with the essence of what I've just said - whether they be nationalist, unionist or status quo.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 24-03-2009 01:31PM

Berty wrote: »

What wrong with him being 17?

You have to be 17 to join the Irish army and given a gun so he was kind of the ripe age for joining a different army(of sorts).

There's a few things wrong with this statement.

First off a 17yr must have parental permission to apply to the Irish Defence Forces.

Your comparing a legitimate standing army dedicated to protecting this country and its constitution from threats both internal and external, to a terrorist organisation dedicated to destroying us.

We don't brain wash children, or adults for that matter, to murder.

Your statement is ridiculous.

.

S.I.R · 24-03-2009 01:36PM

if you can teach a 8 year old how to rebuild a ak-47 ( preffered weapon of the terrorist ) ... he's 17, imagine how much you can teach influence him...

get the kids while their young, your work is done they'll do it for you...

lasy terrorists :rolleyes:

Snowie · 24-03-2009 01:45PM

he new what he was getting into, I have zero, care or understanding for the toe rag, may he rot in jail.

S.I.R · 24-03-2009 01:48PM

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

he new what he was getting into, I have zero, care or understanding for the toe rag, may he rot in jail.

what if it wasnt actually him though...

Snowie · 24-03-2009 01:50PM

S.I.R wrote: »

what if it wasnt actually him though...

make a example of him.....let them know what happens when you join such a group..

dlofnep · 24-03-2009 01:50PM

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

he new what he was getting into, I have zero, care or understanding for the toe rag, may he rot in jail.

So much for innocent until proven guilty? Guildford 4 ring a bell? I'm not saying the lad is innocent - But we should not jump to conclusions until we have solid evidence to state otherwise.

dlofnep · 24-03-2009 01:51PM

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

make a example of him.....

:rolleyes:

amacachi · 24-03-2009 01:52PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

There will never be peace on this Ireland aslong as Britain maintain a presence here,there will always be death,always be unrest,always be violence until they withdraw their illegal presence on this island,you can lock up as many republicans as you want,but with every one that is imprisoned,there will be ten more to take his or her place,there will always be people who will fight to end British occupation,'everyone has their part to play' as Bobby Sands once said

And if the British leave and the island is "united" then what do you think the Loyalists will make of that? Think they'll just go along with it?

Snowie · 24-03-2009 02:00PM

dlofnep wrote: »

So much for innocent until proven guilty? Guildford 4 ring a bell? I'm not saying the lad is innocent - But we should not jump to conclusions until we have solid evidence to state otherwise.

He's been charged with it as far as I see i thats guilty the little punk is probably proud of it to :rolleyes:....... Probably did it to have rep oh im dangerous i shot a police officer... who was doing his job.
if you watched an interveiw there on tv when they had kid similer age shareing the same veiw's.....

it boil's my piss to see that atitude

rovert · 24-03-2009 02:01PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

There will never be peace on this Ireland aslong as Britain maintain a presence here,there will always be death,always be unrest,always be violence until they withdraw their illegal presence on this island,you can lock up as many republicans as you want,but with every one that is imprisoned,there will be ten more to take his or her place,there will always be people who will fight to end British occupation,'everyone has their part to play' as Bobby Sands once said

It is 2009 mate

MooseJam · 24-03-2009 02:03PM

well he'll be easily replaced, I'm sure there's loads of other kids looking to get their hands on a gun.

Snowie · 24-03-2009 02:05PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

There will never be peace on this Ireland aslong as Britain maintain a presence here,there will always be death,always be unrest,always be violence until they withdraw their illegal presence on this island,you can lock up as many republicans as you want,but with every one that is imprisoned,there will be ten more to take his or her place,there will always be people who will fight to end British occupation,'everyone has their part to play' as Bobby Sands once said

yeah and people like you need your head examined. :rolleyes:

furtzy · 24-03-2009 02:16PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

There will never be peace on this Ireland aslong as Britain maintain a presence here,there will always be death,always be unrest,always be violence until they withdraw their illegal presence on this island,you can lock up as many republicans as you want,but with every one that is imprisoned,there will be ten more to take his or her place,there will always be people who will fight to end British occupation,'everyone has their part to play' as Bobby Sands once said

Its time to move on from this. I'm an irish republican who grew up in Andersonstown in West belfast during the 70's and it wasn't pleasant. Constant rioting, bomb alerts, having adolesecent british soldiers verbally abuse you while aiming their their guns at you on the way to school...not pleasant at all. Through the armed campaign we have achieved what was unthinkable only 30+ years ago. In 1974 they wouldn't even accept the SDLP in government now we have Sinn Fein. A massive step forward in a relatively short space of time.

Everyone indeed has their part to play however now it should be a purely democratic part.

dlofnep · 24-03-2009 02:32PM

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

He's been charged with it as far as I see i thats guilty the little punk is probably proud of it to :rolleyes:....... Probably did it to have rep oh im dangerous i shot a police officer... who was doing his job.
if you watched an interveiw there on tv when they had kid similer age shareing the same veiw's.....

it boil's my piss to see that atitude

Well, thankfully - we have "courts" to decide these things, and not people like you. If the lad is guilty, then by all means - let him serve his time. But nobody is guilty until found so.

Sam Vimes · 24-03-2009 02:40PM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

There will never be peace on this Ireland aslong as Britain maintain a presence here,there will always be death,always be unrest,always be violence until they withdraw their illegal presence on this island,you can lock up as many republicans as you want,but with every one that is imprisoned,there will be ten more to take his or her place,there will always be people who will fight to end British occupation,'everyone has their part to play' as Bobby Sands once said

What part of

"There is no one on this island living under occupation. The people in northern Ireland are free to vote in elections and are free to vote out the british. If the majority of the people in the north want it that is

do you not understand?

The people of the republic, the people of the north and the people of britain have rejected your backward ideology. The majority of the people living in the north of Ireland are quite happy to continue to be members of the UK and by forcing your will on them are you not as bad as you claim the british are?

Biggins · 24-03-2009 02:45PM

dlofnep wrote: »

There will never be peace on this Island because some so-called Republicans are still intent in bringing war back to the streets of Ireland.

The majority of the Irish people agreed to the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, in which we will aim for whatever means peacefully.

Now, I want Irish Unity as much as the next guy. But I don't want to see some father killed because some child was deluded into thinking that killing him, will somehow bring about Irish Unity and will remove British presence from Ireland.

Ireland was united, but not in the way you would have liked. It was united in condemning the murder of a police-officer who was there to assist the community. Now, I'm not a supporter of the current state of the PSNI, and won't fully advocate it until policing is devolved.. But by killing a police officer, you create a situation which could bring large scale british troops back onto the soil of Ireland. That is counter-productive.

This lad has not been found guilty of anything, so I won't judge him. But if he did do it, then those who put him up to it should be ashamed of themselves.

I don't like the British presence in Ireland, but I accept the reality of the situation and that we must try and work together peacefully, and try and get a better understanding of each other's ideologies.

Killing a police officer, with young children does not advance a 32 county Irish republic. Some people on here might not agree with all of my views, but I think they would agree with the essence of what I've just said - whether they be nationalist, unionist or status quo.

Post of the day so far for me.

Dudess · 24-03-2009 02:45PM

CHD wrote: »

Will probably get himself a nice boyfriend and settle down in there. He will be punished.

seanybiker wrote: »

the little bastard. Hope he gets killed in jail. Wannabe little hard man is all he is.

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

he new what he was getting into, I have zero, care or understanding for the toe rag, may he rot in jail.

Jesus Christ guys... wait until he's convicted - IF he's guilty in the first place.

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

make a example of him.....let them know what happens when you join such a group..

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

He's been charged with it as far as I see i thats guilty the little punk is probably proud of it to :rolleyes:....... Probably did it to have rep oh im dangerous i shot a police officer... who was doing his job.
if you watched an interveiw there on tv when they had kid similer age shareing the same veiw's.....

it boil's my piss to see that atitude

FFS Snow-Monkey - you were wrong to appoint yourself judge and jury and convict the kid who's been arrested... just admit it will ya instead of backtracking with the above utter nonsense (the kind of anti Irish sh1t you'd have read in the Sun in the 70s). And yeah exactly, remember the Guilford Four and Birmingham Six? And it doesn't matter whether arrest means guilty in your "view" - it doesn't mean guilty.

RaverRo808 wrote: »

as a republican I respect his conviction and dedication,and I wish him the best,regardless of his crime,he is a political prisoner and should be treated as such

As a moderate republican, that's the kind of stuff that makes my heart sink.

dlofnep wrote: »

There will never be peace on this Island because some so-called Republicans are still intent in bringing war back to the streets of Ireland.

The majority of the Irish people agreed to the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, in which we will aim for whatever means peacefully.

Now, I want Irish Unity as much as the next guy. But I don't want to see some father killed because some child was deluded into thinking that killing him, will somehow bring about Irish Unity and will remove British presence from Ireland.

Ireland was united, but not in the way you would have liked. It was united in condemning the murder of a police-officer who was there to assist the community. Now, I'm not a supporter of the current state of the PSNI, and won't fully advocate it until policing is devolved.. But by killing a police officer, you create a situation which could bring large scale british troops back onto the soil of Ireland. That is counter-productive.

This lad has not been found guilty of anything, so I won't judge him. But if he did do it, then those who put him up to it should be ashamed of themselves.

I don't like the British presence in Ireland, but I accept the reality of the situation and that we must try and work together peacefully, and try and get a better understanding of each other's ideologies.

Killing a police officer, with young children does not advance a 32 county Irish republic. Some people on here might not agree with all of my views, but I think they would agree with the essence of what I've just said - whether they be nationalist, unionist or status quo.

As a moderate republican, that's the kind of thing that gives me hope. Great words dlofnep.

Sam Vimes wrote: »

There is no one on this island living under occupation. The people in northern Ireland are free to vote in elections and are free to vote out the british. If the majority of the people in the north want it that is.

Well I'd argue majority rule isn't always fair or just.

Snowie · 24-03-2009 02:53PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Well, thankfully - we have "courts" to decide these things, and not people like you. If the lad is guilty, then by all means - let him serve his time. But nobody is guilty until found so.

Im sorry I may seem overly abrasive, In Muslim countrys if you steal something you get your hand choped of is that a bad thing ?

My point being that eather way they need to nip this sort of behaviour in the bud before its spreads. the reason i justfy being made an example, obvously with out the violance, the use of a stock and some rottin vegtables would be a good one live on tv shame him for what hes done he done if he done it...

But to be honest it would'nt suprise me if he did do it.. The atitude that some people have is disgracefull..

neilled · 24-03-2009 02:53PM

Mairt wrote: »

There's a few things wrong with this statement.

First off a 17yr must have parental permission to apply to the Irish Defence Forces.

Your comparing a legitimate standing army dedicated to protecting this country and its constitution from threats both internal and external, to a terrorist organisation dedicated to destroying us.

We don't brain wash children, or adults for that matter, to murder.

Your statement is ridiculous.

.

Let us be clear on this, the dissidents believe that all govts on this Island apart from their "army council" are illegitimate and those who serve them stooges at worst and misguided at best. The comparison between organisations between the two beggars belief.

Mairt, correct me if I'm wrong, but a 17 year old who'd got their parents permission to join the army would have to wait till he or she was 18 before going on combat operations?

Sam Vimes · 24-03-2009 02:55PM

Dudess wrote: »

Well I'd argue majority rule isn't always fair or just.

What would you suggest other than democracy.....?

Snowie · 24-03-2009 02:59PM

Dudess wrote: »

FFS Snow-Monkey - you were wrong to appoint yourself judge and jury and convict the kid who's been arrested... just admit it will ya instead of backtracking with the above utter nonsense (the kind of anti Irish sh1t you'd have read in the Sun in the 70s).

Number 1 I dont read such drosh as the sun :rolleyes: so you can put that baby to bed right about now!

Am I so wrong? he's been charged !! that usually indicates evidence....
He's been found with a gun......
Save me back tracking from what exactly because you don't like what Ive said ?

Zadkiel · 24-03-2009 03:00PM

furtzy wrote: »

Its time to move on from this. I'm an irish republican who grew up in Andersonstown in West belfast during the 70's and it wasn't pleasant. Constant rioting, bomb alerts, having adolesecent british soldiers verbally abuse you while aiming their their guns at you on the way to school...not pleasant at all. Through the armed campaign we have achieved what was unthinkable only 30+ years ago. In 1974 they wouldn't even accept the SDLP in government now we have Sinn Fein. A massive step forward in a relatively short space of time.

Everyone indeed has their part to play however now it should be a purely democratic part.

+1

Irlbo · 24-03-2009 03:04PM

Mairt wrote: »

There's a few things wrong with this statement.

First off a 17yr must have parental permission to apply to the Irish Defence Forces.

Your comparing a legitimate standing army dedicated to protecting this country and its constitution from threats both internal and external, to a terrorist organisation dedicated to destroying us.

We don't brain wash children, or adults for that matter, to murder.

Your statement is ridiculous.

.

The 'army' you talk about,is this the same army that in the late sixties and seventies sat on its ar.se while their fellow country men up North were being burned out of their homes by the British army and Loyalist pograms,shot dead on the street in cold blood,didnt they cry out for the 'army' of the 26 counties to help them and defend them as they had nobody to turn to?........................................and what did the state and 'army' down here do,nothing,left the opressed people of the 6 counties to take the brunt of the Souths treachery years before,but they had an army they could rely on,the IRA,the real army of Ireland,and by far the most effective,...............................................'the defence force' is a joke,always was always will be

Ste.phen · 24-03-2009 03:21PM

Irlbo wrote: »

The 'army' you talk about,is this the same army that in the late sixties and seventies sat on its ar.se while their fellow country men up North were being burned out of their homes by the British army and Loyalist pograms,shot dead on the street in cold blood,didnt they cry out for the 'army' of the 26 counties to help them and defend them as they had nobody to turn to?........................................and what did the state and 'army' down here do,nothing,left the opressed people of the 6 counties to take the brunt of the Souths treachery years before,but they had an army they could rely on,the IRA,the real army of Ireland,and by far the most effective,...............................................'the defence force' is a joke,always was always will be

... Have you ever even read a short summary of the troubles in the north? It sounds like you got all your history from rebel songs, murals, and staring very very hard at a tricolour and getting angry.

Sam Vimes · 24-03-2009 03:32PM

Irlbo wrote: »

The 'army' you talk about,is this the same army that in the late sixties and seventies sat on its ar.se while their fellow country men up North were being burned out of their homes by the British army and Loyalist pograms,shot dead on the street in cold blood,didnt they cry out for the 'army' of the 26 counties to help them and defend them as they had nobody to turn to?........................................and what did the state and 'army' down here do,nothing,left the opressed people of the 6 counties to take the brunt of the Souths treachery years before,but they had an army they could rely on,the IRA,the real army of Ireland,and by far the most effective,...............................................'the defence force' is a joke,always was always will be

So the Irish army should have invaded the UK. I'm sure that would have ended well

17yr old boy charged with killing PSNI officer

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