Old Farmers

dlambirl · 23-03-2009 01:58PM

Well if it was a public lane you have the right to walk up there with your dog once he is safetly on a leash.

If it was a private lane (and by the farmers reaction - i would say it was) then you were trespassing and thats illegal.

By the sounds of it the farmer must of had some bad experience with dogs in the area killing his sheep and i'm sure you can understand why he doesnt want dogs around his sheep as they lose alot of money everytime one is killed.

I'd recommend that you dont walk up the lane again - just for peace sake!

Bogger77 · 23-03-2009 02:04PM

Kess73 wrote: »

You should go and check the law instead of spouting rubbish. Legally he cannot shoot a dog that is being held on a leash, a dog that had caused no harm. What he can do legally if the person had trespassed, is either tell the person to leave the land and/or call the Gardai and have the person prosecuted for trespassing.

On the other side of the coin, if the farmer has made a threat to use a firearm in a public walkway, then the farmer can be taken to court over it.

From the OPs version, I rad it that the farmer threatened to shoot the dog if it was on his land again.

Why doesn't the OP take himself off to the local garda station, and hand over his dog license for inspection, and then make his claims against the farmer!

ejmaztec · 23-03-2009 02:13PM

Farmer was probably pissed off because his sister wouldn't marry him.

Mr.Lizard · 23-03-2009 02:14PM

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Should I walk on the lane again to see if he was bluffing?

You could ask Frog Ward if he was still around.

Turd Ferguson · 23-03-2009 02:39PM

He's probably just scared you'll stumble across the bodies he has hidden there. I'd stay well away.

bladebrew · 23-03-2009 03:05PM

i cant see any reason why he would threaten to should your dog if he was on a leash!!! imagine the look on your face:eek:

he must have had dogs with a taste for lamb in his field before;)
could you get a dog costume from a joke shop and go running up the lane??

Gummy Panda · 23-03-2009 03:30PM

OP burn the farmer's house down!!

That'll teach the farmer for promoting gun violence.

mumhaabu · 23-03-2009 03:42PM

ayapatrick wrote: »

if ya told that to most farmers they wouldnt know what yad be on about!:D "put out the lamb bed" is what theyd say

In Cork it is known as "putting out the back boondoon" or the "back vessel" those farmers would be rather anatomically challenged.

23-03-2009 03:49PM

bladebrew wrote: »

i cant see any reason why he would threaten to should your dog if he was on a leash!!! imagine the look on your face:eek:

he must have had dogs with a taste for lamb in his field before;)
could you get a dog costume from a joke shop and go running up the lane??

If the dog sees the sheep and starts barking it could spook the sheep. As mentioned before if sheep start running around the place they can easily lose lambs. I can tell you lambing season is a right pain in the arse for farmers trust me I have gone through it at home, up all night maybe, dealing with sick ewes and then up eairly the next morning again so a bit of respect is hardly too much to ask.

admiralofthefleet · 23-03-2009 03:52PM

i thought this thread was about bum grapes

Lu Tze · 23-03-2009 04:00PM

mumhaabu wrote: »

In Cork it is known as "putting out the back boondoon" or the "back vessel" those farmers would be rather anatomically challenged.

I can confirm boondoon is also the nomenclature used in kerry west...

For those interested in the treatment of such (and those with a sick twisted curiousity), the correct product can be found here

http://www.lambertvetsupply.com/Prolapse-Retainer-Ewe--pr--070JRJ26E

truecrippler · 23-03-2009 04:55PM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

You should have just got on your knees and started sucking your dogs dick, he'd probably have left you alone then

o.O

bladebrew · 23-03-2009 05:00PM

Manuel Deafening Ballerina wrote: »

If the dog sees the sheep and starts barking it could spook the sheep. As mentioned before if sheep start running around the place they can easily lose lambs. I can tell you lambing season is a right pain in the arse for farmers trust me I have gone through it at home, up all night maybe, dealing with sick ewes and then up eairly the next morning again so a bit of respect is hardly too much to ask.

people have suggested burning down the farmers house,why should i be told to have respect?? if i was the op i wouldnt annoy the farmer and i certainly wouldnt go up that laneway again! but threatening to shoot a dog on a lead is insane,id report him for making threats
no more jokes in after hours please

convert · 23-03-2009 07:05PM

And I'd report the dog for threatening sheep...

My name is URL · 23-03-2009 07:09PM

I have no intentions of reporting a 75 year-old man lol. I asked a few of my neighbors about him and the general consensus is that he's a bitter old cnut. I'll just stay off the lane to avoid any further agro.

Honey-ec · 23-03-2009 07:22PM

Manuel Deafening Ballerina wrote: »

If the dog sees the sheep and starts barking it could spook the sheep. As mentioned before if sheep start running around the place they can easily lose lambs. I can tell you lambing season is a right pain in the arse for farmers trust me I have gone through it at home, up all night maybe, dealing with sick ewes and then up eairly the next morning again so a bit of respect is hardly too much to ask.

Oh FFS, I live in Tullow, directly across from a farmer whose own dogs bark incessantly. He doesn't seem too worried about the effect that's having on his own flock.

And aggressively berating someone and threatening to shoot their (leashed) dog is not behaviour that warrants respect. I don't care how many lambs he's lost, he had no business speaking to the OP in that manner. A polite "this is private property and I'd appreciate it if you didn't walk your dog on it" was all that was required.

Ann22 · 23-03-2009 07:30PM

I'd be shaking after that. He didn't need to go mad at you. My uncle lives in the country and owns lots of land, however the lanes between his fields are open to whoever wants to walk them. Was there a sign at the entrance to the lane saying it was private property? He sounds like he's a bit barmy. I'd stay well away.

kevmy · 23-03-2009 07:36PM

The auld lad could well be crazy but that doesn't mean the OP was right either.

bladebrew wrote: »

i cant see any reason why he would threaten to should your dog if he was on a leash!!! imagine the look on your face:eek:

he must have had dogs with a taste for lamb in his field before;)
could you get a dog costume from a joke shop and go running up the lane??

bladebrew wrote: »

people have suggested burning down the farmers house,why should i be told to have respect?? if i was the op i wouldnt annoy the farmer and i certainly wouldnt go up that laneway again! but threatening to shoot a dog on a lead is insane,id report him for making threats
no more jokes in after hours please

If you have ever seen the state of a young lamb after they have been attacked by dogs you'd have a bit more sympathy. We had some dogs come onto our land a couple of years back. They killed 4 lambs, left nothing of them but the head and backbone and we had to put down another 2. Not to mention the distress it caused to the remaining sheep and lambs.

Lu Tze · 23-03-2009 07:37PM

Ann22 wrote: »

Was there a sign at the entrance to the lane saying it was private property?quote]

Is there a sign at your front door saying it is private property?

Honey-ec · 23-03-2009 07:51PM

Lu Tze wrote: »

Ann22 wrote: »

Was there a sign at the entrance to the lane saying it was private property

Is there a sign at your front door saying it is private property?

Dude, the OP wasn't walking the dog through his house.

My name is URL · 23-03-2009 07:57PM

kevmy wrote: »

The auld lad could well be crazy but that doesn't mean the OP was right either.

If you have ever seen the state of a young lamb after they have been attacked by dogs you'd have a bit more sympathy. We had some dogs come onto our land a couple of years back. They killed 4 lambs, left nothing of them but the head and backbone and we had to put down another 2. Not to mention the distress it caused to the remaining sheep and lambs.

To be fair, I had the dog on a leash. He wouldn't have been able to attack any lambs. And I highly doubt it would anyway, it's afraid of it's own shadow. But I can see why a farmer would be weary, especially since the dogs a collie. His reaction is what stood out as unfair, not his concerns.

convert · 23-03-2009 08:03PM

Honey-ec wrote: »

Dude, the OP wasn't walking the dog through his house.

Maybe not, but walking a dog on somebody's laneway is the same as walking a dog on your driveway....

I wouldn't like someone walking into my garden/on my driveway without permission (unless they had a good and valid reason) so why should I walk into somebody's field/on a laneway without the same permission?

Honey-ec wrote: »

Oh FFS, I live in Tullow, directly across from a farmer whose own dogs bark incessantly. He doesn't seem too worried about the effect that's having on his own flock.

It's a well known fact that sheep are easily worried by dogs who bark at them. I don't think that you'd have the same attitude if it was your sheep that were being worried. Have you personally seen the consequences of this? Ewes aborting their lambs (some were so premature that they hadn't even formed a coat), sheep that had galloped into wire and had broken their legs/strangled themselves/injured themselves so badly that they had to be put down.

And your own dogs barking is a completely different story to 'strange' dogs barking. Do you react the same way when your dog barks at you as when another dog (i.e. guard dog) barks at you?

Ann22 · 23-03-2009 08:07PM

Lu Tze wrote: »

Ann22 wrote: »

Was there a sign at the entrance to the lane saying it was private property?quote]

Is there a sign at your front door saying it is private property?

Well now, that's hardly likely:rolleyes:. My front door is a tad different from a lane in the middle of the country where likely there are no houses in the close vicinity.

convert · 23-03-2009 08:20PM

Ann22 wrote: »

Well now, that's hardly likely:rolleyes:. My front door is a tad different from a lane in the middle of the country where likely there are no houses in the close vicinity.

So if my house happens to be out in the middle of the country, with no other houses in close proximity, then it's ok for somebody to come in and walk in my garden/on my driveway....

Ann22 · 23-03-2009 08:36PM

convert wrote: »

So if my house happens to be out in the middle of the country, with no other houses in close proximity, then it's ok for somebody to come in and walk in my garden/on my driveway....

No, it clearly isn't. I'm not saying you're entitled to ramble around someone else's property if there isn't a sign saying to keep out. My point is, that if there were no houses or signs about, the op may not have been able to tell it was private property. In saying that, the farmer shouldn't have gotten so mad, if the chap didn't know he was doing any harm.

convert · 23-03-2009 08:44PM

Ann22 wrote: »

. My point is, that if there were no houses or signs about, the op may not have been able to tell it was private property.

If in doubt, stay out! Just because there are no signs up doesn't mean you should automatically assume every country laneway is a public laneway.

I'm fed up of people assuming that just because they're out in the countryside they can walk wherever they want. We've had people randomly drive up our avenue, open gates, drive into the field with livestock in it (without closing the gate), pitch their tent and light a fire to cook their dinner. And then look at us strangely because we asked them what they hell they were doing....

Lu Tze · 23-03-2009 08:44PM

Ann22 wrote: »

Lu Tze wrote: »

Well now, that's hardly likely:rolleyes:. My front door is a tad different from a lane in the middle of the country where likely there are no houses in the close vicinity.

The principle is the same. there are public rights of way in the countryside but everything else is regarded as tresspass and rightly so.

a couple of years ago a farmer was successfully sued by walker who went off the right of way and fell in a ditch. if your uncle allows people to walk on his land, he is taking a very foolish risk.

bladebrew · 23-03-2009 09:12PM

kevmy wrote: »

The auld lad could well be crazy but that doesn't mean the OP was right either.

If you have ever seen the state of a young lamb after they have been attacked by dogs you'd have a bit more sympathy. We had some dogs come onto our land a couple of years back. They killed 4 lambs, left nothing of them but the head and backbone and we had to put down another 2. Not to mention the distress it caused to the remaining sheep and lambs.

christ this thread got serious,i do have sympathy i just think the farmer completly over reacted in this case! i caertainly wouldnt go near him again!

Paddy Samurai · 23-03-2009 10:01PM

Upward Spiral wrote: »

He said if he ever sees me on the lane again that he'll call the Guards and shoot my dog!Crazy old codger
Should I walk on the lane again to see if he was bluffing?

I don't think he's bluffing,i'd say it was probably a case of coitus interruptus.
I mean there he was with his wooly girlfriend enjoying himself,probably spent a couple of hours sweet talking nelly the sheep,another 20 mins getting her back legs in his wellies.Then you and your dog come along and ruin his date.
While in full flow Nelly senses your dog ,panics as she not into threesomes,slips off and runs away leaving him all frustrated.
I'd say your lucky he did'nt shoot you or shag you.I don't know if you seen the film "deliverence",but if i was you i'd stay out of his lane.

danh789 · 23-03-2009 10:10PM

Are you John "Frog" Ward Jr by any chance??

Old Farmers

Comments