Jade Goody is dead (discussion thread)

Terry · 23-03-2009 02:17AM

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

From what I have read there isnt much difference between them apart from the title.

Most of trolls have been tucked into bed by their mammies.

KnifeWRENCH · 23-03-2009 02:20AM

I neither liked nor disliked Jade Goody. However I don't think she really was as stupid as she made herself out to be. She made a name for herself despite having no noticeable talent - I think she played up the "dumb" act because anytime I saw her being interviewed she seemed like an average, decent enough person.
Did she ever contribute anything great to society in her life? No. But in reality, neither do most people. She shouldn't be spoken about like she was a saint just because she's dead but there's no need to villify and mock her either.

Chewie wrote: »

I never disliked the girl. Until now.

......
what I do feel sorry for is every other young man or woman who lost their battle and got no recognition.

Jade already made her money. Her boys would have been fine. She was greedy goody and thats all.

DieselQueen wrote: »

Like I know, she was milking it for her kids and all, but there are people dying of cancer all the time, and they are not given the oppurtunity to build up nest egg for their kids through media attention.

In fairness it wasn't her fault that other young people died without the oppurtunity to get rich that she had. She put herself in the media spotlight, the media fell in love with her and that's why her death is supposedly a "bigger deal" than the death of other young people from cancer.

PK2008 wrote: »

I think Jade has always represented something more than she was- she was the personification of the "famous for nothing" the "successful for all the wrong reasons" reality show celebrity era that alot of working people resent

but then she was just a human, she made some mistakes- which she paid for and she took some risks that paid off.

She never was someone who should have been celebrated but she never did anything to be demonised in death for either

+ 1, well said.

congo_90 · 23-03-2009 02:20AM

aoibhebree wrote: »

I've a feeling there'll be a lot of people posting here, claiming they couldn't care less about her and giving out about all the undue attention she's receiving ... and yet by reading and replying to the thread, they're showing their interest in her, and giving her more attention

When she was alive, before she was ill, I thought she was a bit of an eejit.

When she got sick, I felt very sorry for her - no one deserves cancer and all the crap that goes with it. I have to admit that at first I thought she was probably exaggerating the severity of her illness.

Now she's dead, I feel awful for her poor kids. I also feel awful for the families bereaved by the death of any family member - it happens everyday, Jade doesn't deserve more sympathy or respect than anyone else, but she certainly doesn't deserve less either.

hmm strange up till she died I figured I would've been one of those posts. but having a close to link to several people with cancer myself I can't really laugh at it anymore and think the woman actually done a good thing to bring to the world that celebs are just as human (ok she had a media frenzy) but it just shows the pain people go through and the transformation.
or maybe i'm talking cr@p who knows

skyhighflyer · 23-03-2009 03:19AM

Her death is filed under the 'entertainment' tab on RTE's website.

I think that pretty much says it all.

RIP

Agent Smith · 23-03-2009 03:28AM

sad that her kids have lost their mother, i'm far older and would be devestated if i lost mine.

I think gordan brown is slightly going over the top tbh

Kazaap · 23-03-2009 04:43AM

I think she was a horrible, horrible person. I also think its disgraceful such a scummy racist like herself can be glorified so much in the press. I wonder if Nick Griffin will get the same treatment once he passes on.

Rented Mule · 23-03-2009 09:15AM

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

From what I have read there isnt much difference between them apart from the title.

You have to read through the first 11 pages before the name of the thread was changed. It is at that point where it became a 'condolence thread'.

markesmith · 23-03-2009 10:10AM

Sad to see a young woman die. That said, let's not canonise her. She was a human being, but she ended up being a role model for young women who idolise the pursuit and cult of fame, those who want to be famous at all costs.

She's more a symptom of the total escapism practiced by the tabloid newspapers and Sky News.

Next up: "Brave" Paul Gasgoigne.

TheAlmightyZeus · 23-03-2009 10:14AM

Honestly, I don't really care. Had it been someone I liked or had any respect for I would perhaps take a moment to remember them but there is nothing to remember her for.

WindSock · 23-03-2009 10:24AM

Jade: From Baddy to Goody.

Zadkiel · 23-03-2009 10:24AM

Kazaap wrote: »

I think she was a horrible, horrible person. I also think its disgraceful such a scummy racist like herself can be glorified so much in the press. I wonder if Nick Griffin will get the same treatment once he passes on.

I don't think she was a racist tbh.
She was the type of person who said what came straight into her head.
She may have been ignorant but she was painted in the light of a malicious racist by the media.

Glorifying her sells papers again. She put herself in the public eye to earn more money for her kids so if nothing else she was a good mother, which in itslef is no easy task.

I dont get all the media hype over people who've done nothing either but I feel for her family and anyone else who's lost a loved one to cance.

RIP

Dragan · 23-03-2009 10:55AM

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

I think there should be threads on more worthy topics.
People are starving in Africa, yet we're talking about a single woman dying of cancer. Go figure.

So start them?

carrieb · 23-03-2009 11:00AM

"If nothing else she has helped to highlight an issue that affects millions and for that she should be commended."

I dont get this sort of comment. Commended for what?! Getting cancer, she hardly did it for the good of mankind.
And if you mean going public, it was Jade Goody, she went public about everything in her life, she didnt do it for anyone other then herself.

I never liked her but if course no1 deserves cancer and so it is sad. Feel sorry for her kids.

Have to admit was quite shocked when she actually died, a teeny part of me (quite a bitchy part) always expected to find out that she didnt actually have cancer at all! :eek:

Lockstep · 23-03-2009 11:11AM

kittensoft1984 wrote: »

From what I have read there isnt much difference between them apart from the title.

Because the condolence thread is to be a condolence thread.

This is where we can say things about her aside from her miserable we are from her death and what a wonderful person she was.

Dudess · 23-03-2009 11:37AM

Kazaap wrote: »

I think she was a horrible, horrible person. I also think its disgraceful such a scummy racist like herself can be glorified so much in the press. I wonder if Nick Griffin will get the same treatment once he passes on.

You're hardly comparing like with like. The so-called "racist" incident wasn't even racist. It doesn't put her in the same bracket as the leader of the BNP.

carrieb wrote: »

"If nothing else she has helped to highlight an issue that affects millions and for that she should be commended."

I dont get this sort of comment. Commended for what?! Getting cancer, she hardly did it for the good of mankind.
And if you mean going public, it was Jade Goody, she went public about everything in her life

Spot-on.

Have to admit was quite shocked when she actually died, a teeny part of me (quite a bitchy part) always expected to find out that she didnt actually have cancer at all! :eek:

Me too. She was that much of a publicity whore and badly in need of having the public on her side in order to rescue her plummeting stock. I didn't think she'd have stooped so low as to pretend she had cancer, of her own accord, but publicists capable of orchestrating such a campaign on her behalf? Wouldn't doubt it at all.

0ubliette · 23-03-2009 11:43AM

R.I.P in peace

dr.bollocko · 23-03-2009 11:46AM

0ubliette wrote: »

R.I.P in peace

Rest in peace in peace?

Hagar · 23-03-2009 11:48AM

She was just a sad victim of the cult of celebrity.

themadchef · 23-03-2009 12:38PM

Never liked her, and don't blame her for milking every last cent out of it for her kids....if that's really the reason she done it.

All this "oh she raised awareness of cancer" of course she did? there was no way not to.

As a parent i can see how she would want to leave them the money she got from filming, BUT, what of those last few months, those lasting memories of their Mam? constantly followed by cameras.... give me time with my mother any day.

TwoShedsJackson · 23-03-2009 12:41PM

Why the hell are people posting RIP?

She was a celebrity chav who died young. It's terrible she died young, with two kids left behind, and I feel as sorry for her and them as I would for any other complete stranger to me who I heard died.

But all this 'oh Jade RIP and you died on mothers day, how sad' would you ever fu<k off.

SheroN · 23-03-2009 01:16PM

She's the new Princess Di.

Quazzie · 23-03-2009 01:25PM

I feel sorry for the two kids and genuinely think she was just a pawn for the media. She was a dumb girl that caught up in the hype and believed the tripe that the media and Max Clifford were feeding her. I also believe she had good intentions about going so public about her death. I feel a bit of sorrow for her kids who it must be hard for, or will be, but in regards her death, and its overall effect, the world has lost nothing, and will still turn without her.

VERDICT: Meh!

thebigcheese22 · 23-03-2009 01:32PM

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Nothing stopping you from starting topics on more worthy threads.

Go figure.

Well as a previous poster stated, Africa threads aren't interesting to people - evidence of that was that noone commented on the excellent article she posted. Its not just Africa, its just theres a lot more worthy things to be discussed and debated than her.

I do feel sorry for her kids, but a previous poster rightly asked why didnt she give some of the money she made to a cancer charity? Also, I sincerely doubt she would have done anything for charity before she was diagnosed with this desease.

And btw I'm not a heartless bastard!

Mr.Lizard · 23-03-2009 01:48PM

To all the people who say she deserves respect for increasing cancer awareness I have to respectfully disagree. Any awareness she may have made have raised was purely a side-effect as far as I (and I'm guessing her too?) am concerned. Everything she did, she did for her own selfish interests and that of her family. She made somewhere in the region of 1million euro for her wedding BUT out of interest how much of that went to cancer research or cancer charities? The only case of cancer she cared about was her own .... and clearly she didn't care to much about that either if the pictures of sky news with her lighting up a fag 2 seconds after being wheelchaired out of hospital are to be believed. A great example!

Jade's was vile person and in my opinion and (contrary to her persona) a scheming abuser and manipulator of the media (rather than merely a victim). Anyone who was able to amass a fortune of nearly £10million pounds over a seven year period without displaying any particular talent couldn't be anything but a knowing player. It was only a pity that people like Max Clifford, Endemol and various other media goons gave her a platform to display herself on in the first place. But then 'they're only in business, right? They're only pandering to the lowest common denominator, right? That may be right, but stuff like Cliffords coverage and shows Big Brother are only serving to lower this LCD even further and that's when this Jade-Media axis becomes a very real issue.

The main reason I have a issue with Jade is not because she was a uncouth, selfish, racist, idiot but moreso the level of exposure she was able to garnish for herself promoting this image. I really feel there is a strong trickle-down effect between how people are portrayed in the media and how many people in the real world act and comport themselves. If this is so then it is important that the Jade's of this world are not given the exposure they (in my opinion) do not deserve. There's one gone now, we don't need an army to rise in her place.

Das Kitty · 23-03-2009 02:02PM

I feel neither glad nor sad. I can honestly say I felt no emotion when I heard this yesterday morning.

What I thought was interesting though about her life and death, is that she was the poster-girl for "famous for being famous". Her life spiraled to a level beyond a BrassEye Special, utterly surreal I still don't know how any of this is true. Her emergence signaled the rise in "celebrity culture", hopefully her death is its crescendo and it will die away a bit (I'm not naive enough to think it's dead as well).

All feelings positive and negative toward her stem from people sneering / laughing at her thickness, the "ah didn't she do well for someone who's such a dumbass" or the "I can't believe someone who's so stupid is so loved!".

Then the whole "racist" thing turned those who pitied her to the other side of the argument, forgetting that it was them who created this monster. Them who read her paid interviews, bought her perfume, were fascinated by her every bowel movement.

I just hope Max Clifford dismantles his horrific milking machine now and gives her kids a chance.

Dudess · 23-03-2009 02:04PM

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

The main reason I have a issue with Jade is not because she was a uncouth, selfish, racist, idiot but moreso the level of exposure she was able to garnish for herself promoting this image. I really feel there is a strong trickle-down effect between how people are portrayed in the media and how many people in the real world act and comport themselves. If this is so then it is important that the Jade's of this world are not given the exposure they (in my opinion) do not deserve.

Well that begs the much disputed question: does the media create us or do we create it? In my opinion, the answer is yes on both counts. I'm of the view that there is a celebration of stupidity - a sort of sneering at intelligence. That girl who got pretty much every question right on University Challenge got awful abuse for being a "swot".

I don't think Jade can be blamed for this, I think she just happened to be part of it.

Smart Bug · 23-03-2009 02:07PM

0ubliette wrote: »

R.I.P in peace

Rust In Pieces in peace

Mr.Lizard · 23-03-2009 02:10PM

It is a real chicken and the egg scenario.

However, imho, I think a lot of it is media created and the public just follow (rather than the media just reacting to public views). If Gail Trimble's performances had been presented as heroic and amazing then I don't think you'd have had a sway of resentment from people calling her a freak etc. Similarily you portray Jade Goody as a queen of hearts on her final days and many people just buy into it. They don't seem to have any decision making ability.

aoibhebree · 23-03-2009 02:11PM

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

The only case of cancer she cared about was her own .... and clearly she didn't care to much about that either if the pictures of sky news with her lighting up a fag 2 seconds after being wheelchaired out of hospital are to be believed. A great example!

Just to clarify ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1153356/How-lollipop-helping-Jade-beat-pain-cancer.html

Mr.Lizard · 23-03-2009 02:12PM

aoibhebree wrote: »

Just to clarify ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1153356/How-lollipop-helping-Jade-beat-pain-cancer.html

Fair enough. The rest still stands.

Jade Goody is dead (discussion thread)

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